RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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And yet the actual writers refuse to confirm the ship.
Of course, why would a writer spell out what's going to happen later in the story? It kind of kills the suspense and surprise. No sane writer is going to spoil their own story on Twitter when they actually have plans there. It'd be like the writters of GOT spelling out that Jon and Dany were going to hook up weeks before that episode aired.

Let's focus on that last part. You are asking if I believe the writers, who have repeatedly teased both B/B and B/S throughout the entire show, who immediately put their first lesbian character on a bus the first episode after the volume she was introduced even though her backstory literally revolves around Atlas and faunus bigotry, who dropped their second lesbian couple as quickly as they introduced them, writers who answer to no network and yet only had their first confirmed LGBT character after five whole seasons, would tease the fanbase with Bees but not make it canon?
It's interesting that you get on Mook's case for calling people who don't like Bee's homophobic (which he was wrong about) but then subtly imply that Miles and Kerry are homophobic or at the very least only use gay characters as props who they dispose of once their LBGT cred is established.
 
2) even if it is canon, I firmly believe it won't be a healthy relationship. Like Yang is certainly no Adam, but there's an uncomfortable amount of clinginess coming from Yang when she has a complete mental breakdown over a friend she has known for maybe 4-6 months at best leaving, and brushes off Weiss' claim of "I'm sure Blake had her own good reasons" with "But what if I needed her there for me?" IMHO that is exactly what Blake does not need in a relationship.

It's definitely not going to be a healthy relationship but yang sure as hell isn't the one doing anything wrong lol.

Blake is absolutely a terrible partner and if this show was at all well written Blake would run yang into the ground with her bullshit lol.

I do agree that it's weird that they just made blake the center of yang's universe, but it's even weirder nobody cared that she was gone except yang.

I don't agree that there's anything wrong with feeling close to someone after 4-6 whole months. It's normal to be able to make bonds and connections, especially if you live together and take all your classes together.
 
I want Qrow's voice to be completely utterly irreconcilably different next volume but I can't decide if everyone else should act like they don't notice and it's perfectly normal or if everyone else should react and Qrow spends his first scene talking in front of anyone who knows him going "guys chill out alright, i always sound like this. Don't make it weird"
 
It's definitely not going to be a healthy relationship but yang sure as hell isn't the one doing anything wrong lol.

Blake is absolutely a terrible partner and if this show was at all well written Blake would run yang into the ground with her bullshit lol.

I do agree that it's weird that they just made blake the center of yang's universe, but it's even weirder nobody cared that she was gone except yang.

I don't agree that there's anything wrong with feeling close to someone after 4-6 whole months. It's normal to be able to make bonds and connections, especially if you live together and take all your classes together.
How exactly id Blake a problem? Seriously she spent this entire volume trying to fix the rift between her and Yang and leaving as she did practically destroyed her.

Seems more like they are the 'centre' of each others universe to me and given how relationships work I don't really get the confusion.
 
Wouldn't acknowledging the problem just make it worse because they're not resolving it just by killing him off?

Also, quote I found from an unrelated TVTropes discussion:
You can do something for a living and still be horrible at it.
 
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No sane writer is going to spoil their own story on Twitter when they actually have plans there.
I'll just leave this here.



Not to mention they have practically telegraphed fights to the point where tension all but died. Remember Weiss's unfortunate impalement and how nobody bought it for a second?

I want Qrow's voice to be completely utterly irreconcilably different next volume but I can't decide if everyone else should act like they don't notice and it's perfectly normal or if everyone else should react and Qrow spends his first scene talking in front of anyone who knows him going "guys chill out alright, i always sound like this. Don't make it weird"
Have him be voiced by Tommy Wiseau for true lulz.

Blake is absolutely a terrible partner
Sun's cheeks totally agree!
 
Not to mention they have practically telegraphed fights to the point where tension all but died. Remember Weiss's unfortunate impalement and how nobody bought it for a second?
I don't know the content of that video but as to Weiss, you're mistaking Genre Savvy for an author literally explaining plot threads ahead of time.

Sun's cheeks totally agree!
Maybe he shouldn't have stalked a traumatized abuse survivor half way across the planet or knocked over a door spying on her.
 
I don't know the content of that video but as to Weiss, you're mistaking Genre Savvy for an author literally explaining plot threads ahead of time.


Maybe he shouldn't have stalked a traumatized abuse survivor half way across the planet or knocked over a door spying on her.
Wasn't Blake's reaction to Sun for the door spying a miscommunication between the writers and the animators since they wanted something less severe then what we saw?
 
Wasn't Blake's reaction to Sun for the door spying a miscommunication between the writers and the animators since they wanted something less severe then what we saw?
There is that too, but even if you note that she still slapped him during the battle, but given he kept dicking around in the fight, jumping on her and the whole freaking her out via stalking things I don't blame her for reacting poorly.
 
I don't know the content of that video
Basically everyone was telling a guy "STFU ABOUT SPOILERS!" and "REEEE SPOILERS!" and then he finds out that RT up and spoiled the then-unwatchable-for-free-users episode "Uncovered" and goes "WTF!"

... Not to mention Raven using Maiden powers is literally one of the thumbnails for a RWBY episode, but then again, they use the weirdest thumbnails sometimes.

Maybe he shouldn't have stalked a traumatized abuse survivor half way across the planet or knocked over a door spying on her.
If it was played in the same tone as Jacques hitting Weiss, then yeah, that'd make sense. But nope, it's apparently meant to be played for laughs.
 
Basically everyone was telling a guy "STFU ABOUT SPOILERS!" and "REEEE SPOILERS!" and then he finds out that RT up and spoiled the then-unwatchable-for-free-users episode "Uncovered" and goes "WTF!"

... Not to mention Raven using Maiden powers is literally one of the thumbnails for a RWBY episode, but then again, they use the weirdest thumbnails sometimes.
Pretty sure there is a big difference between inadvertently spoiling something just before it airs and like, a year beforehand, but that is just me.

If it was played in the same tone as Jacques hitting Weiss, then yeah, that'd make sense. But nope, it's apparently meant to be played for laughs.
Well I never said I felt V4 was well handled XD
 
Pretty sure there is a big difference between inadvertently spoiling something just before it airs and like, a year beforehand, but that is just me.
Oh no, they had that thumbnail when the episode premiered, meaning that keen-eyed viewers who never saw the twist would see Raven's Maiden eyes and go "WELP!"
 
Oh no, they had that thumbnail when the episode premiered, meaning that keen-eyed viewers who never saw the twist would see Raven's Maiden eyes and go "WELP!"
Sorry I think there was a misunderstanding, I am saying there is a difference between that and say, outright saying "Raven is the Spring Maiden" at the end of V3 just cos someone asked.
 
It's interesting that you get on Mook's case for calling people who don't like Bee's homophobic (which he was wrong about)
I mean, I'm not saying you are. But there are plenty of people being real weird about it.
Reminder:
Homophobes, salty shippers and people who just want to hate on the show because it gives them attention have no lows to which they will not stoop in order to make their opinions seem valid.
I gave more than enough options to cover all the bases. Not to mention that
Well when they start using "the Monty excuse"...

Yeah this.
Why are people that strongly convinced that Monty "make Master Chief a woman and have them be lesbians with Samus" Oum wouldn't have approved of a lesbian pairing of Blake and Yang, anyways? I can get not liking the pairing, but not the idea that Oum wouldn't be endorsing it no matter what their characterization was, since he's just as much at fault for RWBY being what it is as Luna is.
Homophobes, salty shippers and people who just want to hate on the show because it gives them attention have no lows to which they will not stoop in order to make their opinions seem valid.
The accusation of being either a homophobe, salty shipper or just a plain hater was aimed specificically at people who talk about how Monty* would hate how Miles and Kerry "tarnished his vision" by writing a plotline where two of the main characters are gay. A plotline that has clearly been in the works from the very first volume, the very first trailer even (Black the Beast and Yellow Beauty anyone?).


But if thesevenwielder somehow feels that terms like "salty shipper" or "hates the show and just stays around for attention" applies to him somehow then I cannot possibly speculate as to why. :whistle:


You say that, but I see way too many people taking it 100% seriously and thinking it will legit be Canon. I have no objection to shipping as long as the people involved know it's not going to be Canon. I mean, one of my favorite ships that is sadly mostly dead in the water these days is Baked Alaska. No way in hell that will ever be Canon.
What is the most amusing is the absurd lengths BB fans will go to to defend their ship. It's almost amusing in how pathetic it is.
In other news, I'm almost shocked that wasps can still consider BB canon after the kiss. But that's getting into shipping territory.
I'm kind of annoyed at the RWBY rewind. Mostly because one of the commenters was really obnoxiously pushing Bees while completely ignoring all the blatant BlackSun stuff.
Yeah, M&K basically confirmed that they will continue to bait and tease the BB fans by making Sun stay behind for... reasons so now they can string along BB shippers. According to the recent AMA or whatever, the opening episode will even go so far as to have Blake kiss Sun on the cheek in farewell. It's pretty shady of the writers. Heaven forfend they actually commit to a pairing. It would make all the toxic BB shippers leave the show. Problem is, people can only take so much queer baiting before finally getting fed up, and the writers are toeing a fine line that could easily backfire and make things even worse than if they just confirmed a pairing.

BTW, getting rid of Sun? Even worse than getting rid of Ilya. By now it's been explicitly established that he's there for Blake, and having him arbitrarily stay behind is shit writing. His team hasn't mattered in the slightest since he was introduced. He spent only a few scenes with Neptune, none with the rest of his team outside the single tournament fight, and ditched them even back as far as volume 1. Which isn't necessarily a mark against him; at most he's spent a few weeks with his team before deciding to leave for Vale early. Hard to develop much of an attachment in that time. But when he's loyal, he stays loyal. Which the writers are just tossing to tease the Bees some more.
Despite my reservations with this episode, one thing I do love about it is how the show is going out of its way to give the finger to Bumblebee. This episode is tailor-made for BlackSun shippers, what with the whole cliche "awkward meeting with the parents" thing, with Kali remarking that she approves of Sun, and Blake more flustered at it being said out loud rather than denying that they're together. I'm ambivalent towards BlackSun, but I really don't like Bumblebee, so anything that helps sink that ship is good in my mind.
There's a reason I don't call out terrible ships like Tauradonna and Oz/Ruby. Because they are an extreme minority and are generally understood by most everyone to be terrible. As for Whiterose shippers, despite being the second most popular ship they still aren't half as prevalent as BB shippers and I have never seen them reach the sheer levels of toxicity of bee shippers.

Finally... You are really calling BlackSun unconfirmed? Now you are just sounding desperate. They have hit virtually every single relationship Trope out there. It is not subtext. It is outright text. How can you possibly look at the duo and say they are merely platonic?



And this is only volumes 4 and 5. I suppose you have forgotten the romantic music that played when he ran by her in slow motion when they first met. Or her being the first one to actually reach out to him about her past. Or agreeing to dance with him at the ball. Or giving an adorable blush after he gives finger guns at her during the vytal tournament. Like I legitimately cannot understand how you think all of this is "zero evidence." The writers aren't even remotely trying to be subtle.

Like, seriously? You are trying to call me a toxic shipper when you snipe and refused to address any of the points I have made in the past and lie about what I have said? Well there is certainly a toxic shipper here but it's not me.

In fact, @Mahrac @hellgodsrus @Slater @djd why don't all four of you do as @Mook suggested and dig into my posting history and try to find evidence of me being a toxic shipper. I'll wait.

Ok but think about Kali's reaction if bumbleby happened. Wouldn't she be hella confused? like her daughter brought back such a good boy that was so supportive and helpful but she instead decides to hook up with some random girl Kali has never even heard of before? I mean sure Kali is a good mom and she would be supportive of Blake's decision in the end but she would definitely be like 'wat' for a while. Seriously she was like the biggest shipper of Blake and Sun. Ghira too. Sure he was disapproving of Sun at first because how dare a boy get near my daughter and son isn't the most tactful of people but he warmed up to Sun, especially after Sun nearly died protecting Blake and later risked his life defending their household.

So the ship Sun and Blake were on did not only not sink, but fired its main cannon. Meanwhile the bumblebee bike sinks

SYMBOLISM?!


Also Arryn, honey. I get you like to ship the characters you and Barb are voicing, but getting a tattoo of it? A tattoo is something that's permanent and even a expensive(and painful) tattoo removal still leaves marks. And what if the writers decide to not make it canon? A lot of egg on your face.
On an unrelated note, even if Blake and Yang do beat Adam together, BB still won't be canon. Yeah yeah, point out all the small subtext you wish, but the actual text is straight-up telling us that Blake and Sun are a thing. Seriously, a kiss, romantic music, Blake eagerly saying she wants to see him again soon, the profuse thanks, sad look when he says he's leaving, her parents showing explicit approval with even Ghira being won over... If even half of those things happened between Blake and Yang BB shippers would be screaming from the heavens. I mean, look at how much they're flipping out over the two riding on a motorbike.
Why would I be salty? I'm the one making fun of the tears of Bumblebee shippers, and kind of pity the shipper is who are taking Glee in what happened to Sun. Personally I ship neither BlackSun nor Bumblebee.
I hope as incompetently as it is being executed, Black Sun becomes a thing.
I'm told I should be more positive.

SO LET'S GET SOME v6 BLACKSUN]

LOOK AT HOW SHE LIFTS HER LEG UP WHEN SHE KISSES HIM! AND THE ROMANTIC MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND!


That adorable smile of hers as she looks up at Sun! Look at how no matter what he's always able to make her happy!



How bashful she is around her ray of sunshine!



And look at how sad she is that he has to leave!





SO SAD!



NEPTUNE THE WINGMAN


And Ilya? Girl with a huge crush on Blake? Even she gets it!






GOD

DAMN!

Blake, you go get those abs!


YEAH, THIS IS MY JAM!



No really, I couldn't speculate. After all I'm just a pathetic (newly converted) Bumblebee shipper who legit thinks the ship will be canon. :rolleyes:


*Again reminder that Monty made this:


The idea that he would hate there being a pair of hot lesbian main characters in his show is ludicrous.
 
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I've said this before and I'll say it again. I nearly fell for the Monty trap had it not been for someone reminding me of Dead Fantasy's brutal fights.

In all honesty, the only person who could reasonably invoke the Monty excuse is Shane, because he knew Monty and some of the evidence he shows ended up becoming true, like the initial concept for Yang vs. Adam fight.

It feels as though the people who invoke the Monty excuse are just parroting Shane, but they do not know Monty like Shane did.

There are many reasons why the excuse is dumb, but the sad truth is that with Monty gone, we don't know if he'd approve of it... Or even if he would care.
 
I'm just going to say it, I personally don't give a shit what Monty would have thought. Honestly the man didn't exactly wow me with his writing. The man was very good at his area of expertise but I don't really think it matters what he would have approved of.
 
I'm just going to say it, I personally don't give a shit what Monty would have thought. Honestly the man didn't exactly wow me with his writing. The man was very good at his area of expertise but I don't really think it matters what he would have approved of.
Careful, you might invoke the wrath of the fanbase...
 
Anyone who thinks the guy who made Haloid wouldn't be cool with Bumblebee is being dumb. And yeah RWBY was not just Monty Oum's but I'm pretty sure the people at RT knew him better than random fans did.
 
We're going in constant circles here. Maybe we should just ban Bumblebee discussion for a month.
 
To be fair I think we're more discussing the annoying people outside the forum who are doing it while only a few inside the forum are getting anywhere near that territory.
 
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