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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • thesevenwielder said:
    And this couldn't have been done by an actual fight how? You are making some very bold assertions here with no evidence to back it up

    Not to mention that the only reason this didn't feature in the volume was because RT was absolutely shit at time management and / or had alienated the person who made it and only now did they finally get together an animation crew good enough to finish it. Don't act like it was a creative decision on their part
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    Because it being caused by a single blow is more dramatic, saved time and budget in an already crowded climax, and made this fight more triumphant.

    How do you know it wasn't? Why don't you start with some sources?
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    It doesn't make any sense for Yang to put up a better fight now anyway. Literally nothing has changed. Neither Blake nor Yang have been shown going through any sort of training or growth. Yang is suddenly just better at fighting because reasons. By All rights Yang should get bodied just as hard as she did in volume three, and either lose her robot arm again or lose another limb
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    Actually, yes it does. In Volume 3 Yang went at Adam with tears in her eyes, blinded by anger and with literally zero strategy. She was an easy target, one that left a massive opening that Adam exploited to great and terrible effect. By Volume 6, however, Yang has had a great deal of time (over a year) to not only heal, but also improve; her training with Tai, of which we saw only a small portion of, taught her the necessity of restraint and waiting to use your trump card for an opportune moment/when its actually needed, not as a crutch.

    Literally every fight she'd been in since then has shown her not using her Semblance even when incredibly pissed off- she didn't power up against the Bandits, didn't use it to the fight Mercury, didn't use it against the Grimm on the train, and hasn't used it against Adam... yet. If that doesn't show a level of maturity and experience than I really, really don't know what does.

    Plus, in case you weren't paying attention, she was still losing to Adam in that fight. She was putting up a much better fight, but you can see where he starts to overwhelm her. If he had focused that last swing with his Semblance into an actual cut, Yang would absolutely have lost another arm, if not worse. So I really don't see what the issue is here.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    And this couldn't have been done by an actual fight how? You are making some very bold assertions here with no evidence to back it up

    Not to mention that the only reason this didn't feature in the volume was because RT was absolutely shit at time management and / or had alienated the person who made it and only now did they finally get together an animation crew good enough to finish it. Don't act like it was a creative decision on their part
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    thesevenwielder said:
    It doesn't make any sense for Yang to put up a better fight now anyway. Literally nothing has changed. Neither Blake nor Yang have been shown going through any sort of training or growth. Yang is suddenly just better at fighting because reasons. By All rights Yang should get bodied just as hard as she did in volume three, and either lose her robot arm again or lose another limb
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    Can you not double post like that?
     
    Tekomandor said:
    Where it is currently is a much better place for it, to be honest.

    The single hit works way better to destabilize Yang, to show the severity of the situation; and as a catalyst to force both Blake and Yang to change.
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    While I'll always maintain my views on Yang's fighting style, I do agree that the surprise Semblance strike worked way better for establishing Adam as a threat and an underhanded bastard, as well as really driving home the feels for this scene. Watching it be like a normal fight would feel rather off compared to Yang flinging herself at someone who hurt Blake with tears in her eyes only to be struck down because she didn't know what his Semblance did is painful but powerful.
     
    Concerning Adam vs. Yang

    If RWBY is supposed to be an action show, an actual fight is always better

    If RWBY is supposed to be a Drama, then a dramatic climax of only one hit is better.

    I'd say half of volume 3 was primarily an action show and the other half was primarily a drama. But I still hold the opinion that they could've made room for more action (yang fight, ozpin fight) by cutting out most of the finale and ending on the silver eye blast followed directly by salem reveal
     
    So the ship Sun and Blake were on did not only not sink, but fired its main cannon. Meanwhile the bumblebee bike sinks

    SYMBOLISM?!

    Also Arryn, honey. I get you like to ship the characters you and Barb are voicing, but getting a tattoo of it? A tattoo is something that's permanent and even a expensive(and painful) tattoo removal still leaves marks. And what if the writers decide to not make it canon? A lot of egg on your face.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    So the ship Sun and Blake were on did not only not sink, but fired its main cannon. Meanwhile the bumblebee bike sinks

    SYMBOLISM?!

    Also Arryn, honey. I get you like to ship the characters you and Barb are voicing, but getting a tattoo of it? A tattoo is something that's permanent and even a expensive(and painful) tattoo removal still leaves marks. And what if the writers decide to not make it canon? A lot of egg on your face.
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    Are you alright? Your statements seem a lot less coherent than usual.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Also Arryn, honey. I get you like to ship the characters you and Barb are voicing, but getting a tattoo of it? A tattoo is something that's permanent and even a expensive(and painful) tattoo removal still leaves marks. And what if the writers decide to not make it canon? A lot of egg on your face.
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    I mean, while I agree getting a cartoon of a webseries is...potentially a bad idea for when you get older, I'm not sure why canon status matters. Canon doesn't make something better or worse, and you don't actually have to care about it outside of using it as a common ground for discussion with other people. For personal enjoyment, canon doesn't matter a bit. Like, Disney changing SW canon didn't suddenly vanish the pre-Disney SW stories I loved vanish. If someone had, I dunno, a Luke/Jade tattoo I wouldn't find it odd "because it's no longer canon". I might find it odd because it's a SW tattoo, but not because of the Disney purchase. And if someone prefers that a relationship that the author didn't make canon than one they did, then...that's fine for them? No egg on face at all, as long as their opinion on the other ship doesn't change as the show developed it after it became "canon", or their opinion of the whole work doesn't change 30+ years down the line. I know if I had tattood either "canon" or "noncanon" stuff I liked ten+ years ago, I'd feel like a real idiot right now.
     
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    tygerbright said:
    Are you alright? Your statements seem a lot less coherent than usual.
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    I see no difference.

    Honestly, how many conversations has Seven derailed at this point? A few dozen? I get that redirecting the conversation on his intrusions is pretty much feeding the troll, but it also seems like playing along with him is just as bad. Putting him on an ignore list won't work, since at least one person is inevitably going to give him the benefit of the doubt and make it so I'm left out of the full conversation of this thread.

    So I'm gonna try and redirect the topic back to RWBY myself: What's your most optimistic outcome for the next three episodes, in contrast to the most likely from a page earlier?
     
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    Delphisage said:
    I see no difference.

    Honestly, how many conversations has he derailed at this point? A few dozen? I get that redirecting the conversation on his intrusions is pretty much feeding the troll, but it also seems like playing along with him is just as bad.

    So I'm gonna try and redirect the topic back to RWBY myself: What's your most optimistic outcome for the next three episodes, in contrast to the most likely from a page earlier?
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    Adam gets a truly note worthy send off in his fight with Blake and Yang, Ruby and Co beat the giant mech, which somehow falls on top of Cinder, crushing her unto a bloody pulp and leaving Neo as the new Fall Maiden.

    Then they get on the ship and head to Atlas.
     
    Delphisage said:
    So I'm gonna try and redirect the topic back to RWBY myself: What's your most optimistic outcome for the next three episodes, in contrast to the most likely from a page earlier?
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    I mean for me, Adam is defeated by a combo of Blake & Yang using their combined strength and Semblances, also they kiss, RWBY and co beat the mech but the alarm starts blaring ruining their moment of triumph and a big sea Grimm approaches. It is a hard won fight but they manage to pull off a victory, Ruby probably uses her silver eyes but finds out their abilities aren't as much of an instant win as she hoped and she's left tired and Weiss helps her (Tying into the opening scene) They probably have to linger around and make sure Argus is OK or they have to nab a ship and run not sure which.

    The after credits scene has Adam waking up fully healed and armored in a White Fang camp but he is not welcome and is instead told if he wants to avoid execution for his actions he must defeat the true High Leader. Sienna is alive and offers him a free strike but when he does he can't even touch her because her Aura is so massive and seemingly growing as they speak and she reveals the temporary death he put her in removed a curse laid on her during the Faunus Rights Revolution at the hands of the King of Vale but now she's back at full strength. Adam gets atomized and the revived White Fang prepare to move on Atlas to put an end to its newly established work camps. Several shots show RWBY and co, the WF, Cinder and Neo, and other groups all heading towards Atlas.

    Also Saph and Terra and their son are 100% fine and nothing bad happens to them at all. Ever.
     
    Delphisage said:
    What's your most optimistic outcome for the next three episodes, in contrast to the most likely from a page earlier?
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    I thought we were talking worst case, not most likely earlier.

    Anyway, here's my take (note: I wrote this on my phone in a couple minutes, excuse any spelling mistakes):

    Cordo fight: Ruby snipes the rockets, disabling the cannon and then Weiss, aura supported by Jaune, summons a massive knight to fight the mech. The rest of the team plan out how to take it down: disable a leg. They manage to distract her enough that Qrow can fly in and make it immobile.

    Then comes the grimm. Cordo tries to get help from base, but her radio and cameras were disabled in the fight. She, being an actually somewhat competent person calls a truce to kill the grimm, and then tells them to go and get assistance. The team stays to fight, except Qrow, who flies off for help.

    Mech and knight fight the monster for a bit together, but then the knight gets beaten. Ruby tries to Silver Eyes the thing multiple times but fails, leaving herself open and needing to be saved a bunch. She finally succeeds, probably to save someone, but the grimm is only partially petrified. Then the mech is knocked out, but Maria flies in and saves Cordo.

    They fight it a bit, Ruby visibly getting more exhausted for every SE blast, then Qrow arrives back with some fighters and they manage to kill the thing.

    Meanwhile: Blake and Yang vs Adam is more even in a 2 v 1, but only just. BY fight as partners, Adam gets angry, says stuff like "You left me for her?" Or whatever crazy ex lines you can come up with. Knocks one of them off the platform for a bit, leaving it as a 1 v 1 again, but she comes back.

    Adam, seeing that he won't accomplish much before more help comes, leaves and runs into the rest of the group. They are startled but then open fire except for a horrified looking Weiss. Adam runs and escapes, stealing the plane Maria and Weiss stole earlier.

    RW go to the waterfall and either find BY making out or trying to figure out how to fish Yang's bike out.

    Later, Cordo is reporting to Atlas, and after some hesitation says that Adam stole the plane in the chaos, and that there are some hunters with important news for Ironwood and that they would be leaving for Atlas soon.

    Not my very best, but the best I can do in a short time.
     
    Hopefully blake and yang kill adam this episode and then the rest kill Cordova and fight the giant grimm next episode.

    I hope the last 2 episodes are like 30 minutes long to fit in cinder/neo AND the group getting to atlas
     
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    lolrus555 said:
    So... I know that react/watch/plays fics are really simplistic concepts, and that not many people may actually like them, but... IDK, in wake of the Resident Evil 2 Remake imminent release, I'd LOVE to see a RWBY fic where Team RWBY and co. plays through the RE1 and 2 Remakes. I'd especially love to see their reactions to Mr. X after this trailer right here.

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    We do have a fanfic thread, you know.
     
    Well then.

    Adam dead. Woohoo I guess? I wanted Weiss to react to his brand. Maybe Yang'll talk about it later.

    And that Leviathan with the horde of Gryphons... Not sure they can take kt on.
     
    That was a hell of an episode, everything i wanted, everything i expected, everything i needed it to be

    Adam is finally dead and he died super cool, yay. I kinda rooted for him the whole fight because he was cooler than the other side

    Adam implies blake and yang are a thing but they could easily play it off as a jealous crazy guy making assumptions if they need more ship teasing later

    I thought blake's weapon broke?

    Finally yang's semblance with the flaming hair is back, took long enough for them to put the effort into animating it.

    They're really going with that completely nonsensical "semblance drains aura and can't be used without aura" thing huh? Even with a character that it specifically makes no sense with since we've seen her use it with a broken aura before? Okay then.

    I'm glad they just killed him instead of something stupid happening, if they've got nothing left to do with the character a final battle is the best send off.

    I enjoy that ruby's naruto speech didn't work since it would've made little sense, but I'm even more glad she knew it wouldn't and had a plan

    Boy, caroline sure is fucking nuts huh? Absolutely determined to murder children for no reason and her rival for being annoying, also at one point she implies everyone who's not from atlas is a subhuman

    Here's hoping caroline gets killed by the grimm tbh.

    My first thought when i saw the sheer number of grimm is that it must've been cinder or salem who called that many again.

    My second thought was if the writers are gonna destroy Argus since there's a giant grimm army

    The leviathan has a nice design, I like it. I hope it has cool moves
     
    Okay but does anyone else think Ruby is kind of being irrational here? Like yeah, Cordovin is preventing them from entering Atlas and she's obviously overracting here, but realistically, why should she let them into Atlas from her point of view? She knows nothing about the Relics, Salem or anything else related to saving the world. All she knows are some upstart kids have hijacked an airship and are trying to break into Atlas because reasons. Yeah, they have good reasons, but she doesn't know them. AFAIK if she wasn't such a jerkwad we would probably have people actually rooting for her. Because yeah, she is hindering the protagonists, but she's not exactly wrong in her reasoning.

    Like for all the speechifying Ruby is doing, she didn't once try to tell Cordovin why they want into Atlas. Now I am not saying Cordovin is the good guy in this by any means. But Ruby didn't even try to convince the lady to let them in, she just immediately jumped to 'grand theft airship'
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Okay but does anyone else think Ruby is kind of being irrational here? Like yeah, Cordovin is preventing them from entering Atlas and she's obviously overracting here, but realistically, why should she let them into Atlas from her point of view? She knows nothing about the Relics, Salem or anything else related to saving the world. All she knows are some upstart kids have hijacked an airship and are trying to break into Atlas because reasons. Yeah, they have good reasons, but she doesn't know them. AFAIK if she wasn't such a jerkwad we would probably have people actually rooting for her. Because yeah, she is hindering the protagonists, but she's not exactly wrong in her reasoning.

    Like for all the speechifying Ruby is doing, she didn't once try to tell Cordovin why they want into Atlas. Now I am not saying Cordovin is the good guy in this by any means. But Ruby didn't even try to convince the lady to let them in, she just immediately jumped to 'grand theft airship'
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    They did try to convince her, she wouldn't hear any reason unless it benefitted her personally.

    If she wouldn't hear out the heir to the most important company in atlas, a famous huntsman and former professor, plus the heroes of haven who are also survivors of beacon that minimized the damage. (Most of this is public knowledge, don't even say the CCT is down, news was not invented in the 21st century, it has traveled with far less tech than anywhere in RWBY has) then it's pretty safe to say she'd not hear out anyone or any reason.

    Furthermore she jumps to killing teenagers the first chance she gets, not exactly a reasonable person.
     
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    You should probably spoiler that, not sure.

    Anyway, i recommend watching ep 8. They try to talk to her and she says she will not hear them out.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Okay but does anyone else think Ruby is kind of being irrational here? Like yeah, Cordovin is preventing them from entering Atlas and she's obviously overracting here, but realistically, why should she let them into Atlas from her point of view? She knows nothing about the Relics, Salem or anything else related to saving the world. All she knows are some upstart kids have hijacked an airship and are trying to break into Atlas because reasons. Yeah, they have good reasons, but she doesn't know them. AFAIK if she wasn't such a jerkwad we would probably have people actually rooting for her. Because yeah, she is hindering the protagonists, but she's not exactly wrong in her reasoning.

    Like for all the speechifying Ruby is doing, she didn't once try to tell Cordovin why they want into Atlas. Now I am not saying Cordovin is the good guy in this by any means. But Ruby didn't even try to convince the lady to let them in, she just immediately jumped to 'grand theft airship'
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    Question.

    If she's already shown that she didn't even care for their reasons before they stole the ship, then why would she even bother to give them the time of day? She already made up her mind and them stealing the ship only solidified that opinion, and even if Ruby told her about the relics she wouldn't actually believe them.

    Not to mention the possibility that Ruby wouldn't use the Djinn to try and convince her for fear of using the last question prematurely.

    So yeah. Both sides are being unreasonable to an extent here, but Ruby's the only one at least attempting to bridge the gap. It's just that it's way too late for that kind of thing since they already committed the crime, and Cordovin would never have given them the time of day in the end.
     
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