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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Delphisage said:
    Ugh. No solid proof, it's just a feeling I had. I mean, why else would you have that scene in Episode 14 if not to tease shippers?
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    I wish you wouldn't frame "feelings" as factual statements to be honest, especially when it comes to writing decisions made by the staff. And given the scene (I assume the one with the rabbit faunus) could also be read as showing Ilia being happy she is doing the right thing and having that acknowledged I generally disagree. Not that they couldn't be cute but they are literally a background character and it was rather minor and can be ready several ways I feel.
     
    Delphisage said:
    The bunny girl at the end of Season 5 that only existed to give shippers a way to write Ilia out of the Blakebowl.
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    Ilia was never even part of the Blakebowl. Her romantic character arc is having a crush on Blake, not having those feelings returned and ultimately continuing to be a good friend with Blake because she understands that Blake isn't obligated to feel the same way about her and that friendship is still a meaningful relationship.

    This puts her as a very clear contrast to Adam, who feels that Blake owes him her complete devotion and who goes nuts when he realises that Blake has moved on without him.

    Also interestingly a lot of focus is put on setting up Ilia and Sun as rivals/foils of sort, much like with Adam and Yang. And Sun is the one who has been pushing the hardest for Blake to get back together with Yang. Almost like the writers were setting him up to have a similar romantic character arc as Ilia.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    You keep saying that but evidence constantly points to the contrary.

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    Ahh but I have evidence as well






    Imagine there's also gifs of Yang winking at Blake, Dancing with Blake at the Dance, Yang saying she loves it when Blake is Feisty, Her saying "What if I needed her here" last Volume and her reaction to Blake reappearing at the battle of Haven.

    Also I'm not even one to deny that Blake and Sun had feelings for each other but what does them running alongside each other in Volume 2 prove?
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Qrow is to big a character to have die off screen.
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    Once upon a time this lady was Ozpin's second-hand man, the second-most important adult character in the show, even after Qrow's introduction. Then she was unceremoniously shoved off-screen after her VA took a hit for confirming that the open letter from Shane Newell was legit. If they couldn't recast her then, do you really think Qrow will do any better?


    Teen Spirit said:
    Ahh but I have evidence as well






    Imagine there's also gifs of Yang winking at Blake, Dancing with Blake at the Dance, Yang saying she loves it when Blake is Feisty, Her saying "What if I needed her here" last Volume and her reaction to Blake reappearing at the battle of Haven.

    Also I'm not even one to deny that Blake and Sun had feelings for each other but what does them running alongside each other in Volume 2 prove?
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    Trust me dude, you don't want to get into a canon debate with me. You. Will. Lose.







    Look, you can ship BB all you want. Personally I don't think it's a healthy relationship even if it is canon, but you do you. And I do admit that this volume was leaning hard on the BB coding. For all I don't like it, it looks like this is gonna be a thing. I'm not denying that.

    But saying Blake and Sun had 'nowhere near as much build-up as BB'? Now you're just talking out of your ass, because canon clearly states over and over that they are or at least were totally in to in each other. Screw subtext, this is outright text. And again, I wouldn't be surprised if the writers roll over for the fanbase and give them what they demand, but even if it does become canon, that doesn't mean all the romantic text between Blake and Sun doesn't exist, or that it is somehow less meaningful than BB.





    Shipping aside, there is a way to defeat Salem once and for all. Some people have claimed that Ruby's Silver Eyes will purge the Grimm influence from Salem, but the more likely possibility is that since Ruby and Maria explicitly state the Silver Eyes are the power of the Light God, since the God of Light's pool is the one that made her immortal, Ruby's power can take it away. Then she's killed off. Sure you can claim the show has been constantly saying that victory will not be found through strength of arms, but not one time has a conflict been avoided by just talking it out or speechifying. Well, except for Yang talking to Raven, but that was more Yang giving Raven a 'reason you're full of shit' speech.
     
    thesevenwielder said:


    Once upon a time this lady was Ozpin's second-hand man, the second-most important adult character in the show, even after Qrow's introduction. Then she was unceremoniously shoved off-screen after her VA took a hit for confirming that the open letter from Shane Newell was legit. If they couldn't recast her then, do you really think Qrow will do any better?
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    Kathleen got fired for going on a drunken twitter rant calling other Female RT employee's sluts that slept there way into there positions.

    She did that and was fired way before the vaunted "letter" ever came out.

    Don't make shit up to try and make it seem noble.

    As for Qrow they literally stated in the press release that the firing wont effect how they write the show.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:


    Once upon a time this lady was Ozpin's second-hand man, the second-most important adult character in the show, even after Qrow's introduction. Then she was unceremoniously shoved off-screen after her VA took a hit for confirming that the open letter from Shane Newell was legit. If they couldn't recast her then, do you really think Qrow will do any better?
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    Because she ultimately also has no reason to leave Vale since that's Qrow's job while she holds down the fort in Ozpin's absence.

    Or there's a narrative reason for her not to be around, not so much for Qrow.
     
    Mahrac said:
    Because she ultimately also has no reason to leave Vale since that's Qrow's job while she holds down the fort in Ozpin's absence.

    Or there's a narrative reason for her not to be around, not so much for Qrow.
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    Wasn't the narrative reason for why she has not left Beacon/Vale according to Port and Oobleck was that she was working her ass off trying to clear out the Grimm and reclaim Beacon/Vale?
     
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    Honestly I never felt Glynda was that relevant outside episode 1 and the Breach. She was basically just there to be stern and then fold to whatever Ozpin wanted and or to support him and his other subordinates against critique. The best moment she had besides saving Ruby and the Breach was her comforting Pyrrha a bit when she started freaking out. Like, she was there, and she served a role, but it doesn't come across to me as one that would persist.
     
    OK actually there's been a recurring theme I've seen around regarding the BB VS BS thing and it stuck in my head enough I want to address it. I fear doing so may come off as rude to Black Sun shippers but I am hoping the manner in which I am explaining myself alleviates that, this is not meant as ship hate and I apologize if it comes off as such.


    OK, so as noted a recurring thing that I've seen posited is that Black Sun had romantic coding because Sun had an interest in Blake, Blake seemed to show an interest back and with stuff like Blake attending the dance with him, blushing when Sun pointing her out in a crowd and that my hero thing (Which I am wobbly on due to context but will include)

    And here is the first act twist folks of the thread, I don't disagree, there was indeed romantic coding, Sun showed a clear and present interest in Blake and Blake took actions that would indicate she at least felt some degree of interest/attraction, I am not going to refute that.

    However and by the same token, that doesn't mean that Blake and Yang didn't also have similar moments. A person after all, can show an interest in or be attracted physically or romantically to more than one person at a time especially in the early stages of developing a relationship with people.

    What I am getting at here is that the above shows of interest don't inherently make Blake & Yang's interactions before V6 not romantically coded as well. Stuff like Blake seeking Yang out as her partner, Blake offering her first dance to Yang, Blake comparing Yang to her former 'romantic partner' & resolving to trust her can be and probably was/is also romantically coded.

    Things get even more complicated once you involved other characters because then it is less about personal actions taken and more about framing and narrative weight. So while yes, there was some meet the parents stuff on Menagerie, there was also evil ex stuff with Adam and then there is how Blake reacts to those circumstances and events to consider.

    I hope I have made my viewpoint clear and in a none alienating way here, thank you for your time.
     
    So apparently the RWBY Sub-Reddit had to flat out make a rule banning people from the phrase "This is not what Monty would have wanted" and the like because some people are apparently super convinced he would not be okay with Bumblebee.
     
    Why are people that strongly convinced that Monty "make Master Chief a woman and have them be lesbians with Samus" Oum wouldn't have approved of a lesbian pairing of Blake and Yang, anyways? I can get not liking the pairing, but not the idea that Oum wouldn't be endorsing it no matter what their characterization was, since he's just as much at fault for RWBY being what it is as Luna is.
     
    Delphisage said:
    Why are people that strongly convinced that Monty "make Master Chief a woman and have them be lesbians with Samus" Oum wouldn't have approved of a lesbian pairing of Blake and Yang, anyways? I can get not liking the pairing, but not the idea that Oum wouldn't be endorsing it no matter what their characterization was, since he's just as much at fault for RWBY being what it is as Luna is.
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    I doubt they believe that or care, his name is just a convenient cudgel for them to smack people with and use as an appeal to emotions and present themselves with a false sense of validity despite having nothing to back up their claims. It's a nasty and gross little trick, but often public figures have their names misused by those who have no real respect or understanding for them, what they wanted or what they were like.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    It does raise a good point about how they spent 4 Volumes on Black Sun only to course correct to Bumblebee last minute.
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    Right, there was another good point it raises in that, by making Bumblebee a thing, the story effectively made the team unbalanced in the sense that two team members will care more about each other than the other members, like how Yang took Blake's hand when running from the Apathy instead of her uncle or even her sister.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Right, there was another good point it raises in that, by making Bumblebee a thing, the story effectively made the team unbalanced in the sense that two team members will care more about each other than the other members, like how Yang took Blake's hand when running from the Apathy instead of her uncle or even her sister.
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    By that logic Ren and Nora shouldn't date, Pyrrha was bad for having a thing for Jaune, Jaune was bad for having a thing for Weiss cos he was showing interest outside his team ETC.
     
    Zam said:
    By that logic Ren and Nora shouldn't date, Pyrrha was bad for having a thing for Jaune, Jaune was bad for having a thing for Weiss cos he was showing interest outside his team ETC.
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    He brought up JNPR and how the story doesn't revolve around them.



    EruptionFang said:
    What about JNPR? That whole team was practically dating within their team but you don't have a problem with them. First I never liked Arkos [...] I didn't like Jaune while Pyrrha was alive [...] he was annoying. And Renora honestly yeah I do like them but they're not the main
    characters the story doesn't revolve around team JNPR the show is entitled JNPR so they can go off into whatever side adventures necessary.
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    Look I think we all agree that the important thing is not about BumbleBee or BlakeSun but that Illia is left alone and unloved no matter who Blake chooses :V
     
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