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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Psyga315 said:
    Fair enough.

    It's also that I read Mook's post in a Watsonian way.
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    I don't see how you could think that. He argued that Ozma's incarnations all need to be male because otherwise the plot point of his powers being greatly diminished (which prevents him from just steamrolling everyone bar Salem like he could have centuries ago) because of his creation of the Maidens would suddenly have a big hole in it, because if his incarnations can be female then they can be Maidens, and thus he could just have a dying Maiden try to think of Ozma whenever he happens to be a female body. That's a Doylist argument, no question.

    Of course, one could perhaps argue that the Maidens powers wouldn't remain past that one lifetime and would pass on normally instead of just rejoining Ozma's soul the way the magic he has left does, but that would be making the whole thing needlessly convoluted IMO.

    And I suppose one could also argue that they should have just changed the whole story of Ozma's powers and origins around in that case so that they could have Ozma as a female who has reincarnated as male without raising this issue, but my rebuttal to that remains, "They probably just didn't think about it when they were writing this - I certainly didn't - and it's too late to change now. You can lament a missed opportunity, but it's a bit much to just assume deliberate malice and trans erasure."
     
    Psyga315 said:
    That or they just went full edge on the Beast and went "lol, stockholm syndrome, amirite?" instead of fully exploring what it means to be a beast.

    Think about how the "Adam = Gaston/Yang = Beast" angle fails.

    "Let's make the ugly, misshapen person the beautiful man with a black heart and let's make the beautiful woman the ugly monster with a heart of gold."

    The rupturing of that theme would only be more obvious is if they made a RWBY version of Quasimodo and made him a villain while making the RWBY version of Frollo a good guy.
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    Arryn literally said Adam was Gaston and what it means to be a/the beast is down to interpretation.

    Blake was described as Beauty and Beast, the Yang thing I believe is more a theory due to song lyrics and imagery utilized in the Adam fight, plus her being tricked into looking like a monster in V3.

    Adam is fairly generically handsome and also hid his scar, while Faunus are persevered as, as being beasts and Yang is the romantic rival to the entitled and violent stalker of Beauty. Your argument relies on your very specific interpolation of what the various characters roles were being their only roles which isn't the case.

    Cinder is Cinderella and she murdered Achilles, so I don't see your point.
     
    I'm not up to date with the drama... Wasn't the issue was that some sjws said he was homophobic because he said one of his characters wasn't gay... 10 or so years ago?
     
    BBBence1111 said:
    I'm not up to date with the drama... Wasn't the issue was that some sjws said he was homophobic because he said one of his characters wasn't gay... 10 or so years ago?
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    … No, and that has never been the issue. Vic has, for years upon years, been noted to have entitled behavior in cons being outright rude to con-goers, and more important in this case many upon many cases of sexual misconduct or borderline sexual misconduct. He has been banned from cons in the past, people that participate in cons (and help run them) have complained about him in the past, actual voice actors have complained about him in the past (Tara Sands in the recent kurfluffle outright said people have come to her with similar stories to stuff that has come out recently.) and it has become pretty clear that this was an open secret in the industry that people didn't comment on because they liked helping run cons or liked their jobs.

    Also it wasn't that he "said" one of the characters wasn't gay, it was that he claimed CLAMP confirmed it and it was canon, and given the end of that work, it was either a lie or he bugged people that simply didn't have that information in order to Own M/M Fans, but we can leave his homophobia for a separate discussion.
     
    Broken Base said:
    Also it wasn't that he "said" one of the characters wasn't gay, it was that he claimed CLAMP confirmed it and it was canon, and given the end of that work, it was either a lie or he bugged people that simply didn't have that information in order to Own M/M Fans, but we can leave his homophobia for a separate discussion.
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    To clarify he asked the Anime's creative staff not CLAMP themselves and even then he asked the wrong question. Due to cultural/value dissonance he asked straight up if said character was gay and they said no(Note that again this was the Anime's creative staff). Now had he asked what the nature of Fai's relationship to Kurogane was then he would have gotten the more complex answer that would have meant that yes he was gay.
     
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    Tython82 said:
    To clarify he asked the Anime's creative staff not CLAMP themselves and even then he asked the wrong question. Due to cultural/value dissonance he asked straight up if said character was gay and they said no(Note that again this was the Anime's creative staff). Now had he asked what the nature of Fai's relationship to Kurogane was then he would have gotten the more complex answer that would have meant that yes he was gay.
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    Thank you for the clarification, it's a bit of an old story and I was working from memory. ^_^;

    I'd still slot that under #2 personally so, you know.
     
    While not necessarily the deciding factor, location is very important in regards to who they get to replace him; someone based in Texas would be ideal.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    If they replace Qrow's VA.
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    What else are they gonna do, have him fall out of a freak hole in their airship and not even scream?

    Even on the outside chance they decide to just kill him off, Qrow needs to stick around at least long enough to meet Ironwood because I seriously doubt that anyone else, even Weiss, is going to have enough pull to get an audience with him.
     
    Yeah Vic's been known to be a bit douchey in the past at cons and it's been like that since he first made it big in FMA. I didn't think it was this bad since I never really followed the drama but if it's that bad then I can see why RT doesn't want him involved in the show.

    It's okay. I do appreciate RT upholding their own moral integrity over bending the knee to top-class actors with bad personalities. RWBY has always been kind of a bumpy and messy ride, but RT has always been a passionate group of people who want to make something great even if they made some questionable decisions in regards to the writing and narrative.
     
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