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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Rooster Teeth has replaced voice actors before anyway. This isn't a problem for RWBY as a work at all, and they affirm this in the announcement.
     
    All I have to say about Vic is this:

    Accusations are not evidence- they are the first step, not the end. A conviction is required to secure guilt; you have to prove something in court in order to have justice served.
     
    JSanders4 said:
    Accusations are not evidence- they are the first step, not the end. A conviction is required to secure guilt; you have to prove something in court in order to have justice served.
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    Dude, there are dozens of people that have come out about this. Some of them don't even necessarily blame Vic at all, some just didn't see it as a big deal at the time, but they are all stories that are very different in content but all operate under identical themes, which is Vic being an incredibly skeezy douche. Some have actual pictures of the event. ANN has an article of some that were corroborated by multiple sources. Even if, even if, the worst stories are completely fabricated (such as Vic inviting people that clearly look underage to his hotel room at cons), and we have more than one person claiming that that is a thing that has occurred, we have somebody willing to get into people's personal space and even do things like kiss them without consent. That is incredibly skeezy behavior, especially for someone with a position of influence and prestige, like Vic has in this sort of situation.

    But this isn't really the thread for this. I'm happy to continue this discussion which appears to consist of you asserting that they're all Women (and men) Who Lie, over in the N&P thread dedicated to this sort of thing, or there's one in Fiction Discussion, if N&P isn't your cup of tea. Just to cut-off this derail.
     
    Carrnage said:
    I highly doubt they share execs or even run in the same circles.
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    It isn't just them. Rosanne also had this happen as well as House.

    And while it is sensible to do the actor swap in an animated cartoon, remember that RT had this same situation in RvB regarding Tex and all they did was give Tex's role to someone else.
     
    JSanders4 said:
    No, they aren't, which is why I said nothing about their decision to drop him and only stuck to the legal side of things- because they have every right to do what they are doing.
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    And why did you bring up the legal side, when no one else mentioned it and none of the articles claim that he'd committed any crimes?
     
    If they're going to replace Vic I'd suggest Steve Blum. Not only is he much better at playing the sort of character Qrow is he's also apparently a super nice guy, and the sheer volume of work he's done sort of proves he's not exactly hard to hire.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    If they're going to replace Vic I'd suggest Steve Blum. Not only is he much better at playing the sort of character Qrow is he's also apparently a super nice guy, and the sheer volume of work he's done sort of proves he's not exactly hard to hire.
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    Two problems there
    1. I don't think Blum lives in Texas
    2. Steve is a Union member. RWBY is a non-Union Production
     
    VolantRedX said:
    If they're going to replace Vic I'd suggest Steve Blum. Not only is he much better at playing the sort of character Qrow is he's also apparently a super nice guy, and the sheer volume of work he's done sort of proves he's not exactly hard to hire.
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    Two problems there
    1. I don't think Blum lives in Texas
    2. Steve is a Union member. RWBY is a non-Union Production
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    They might not be able to get Steve, but I'm almost positive they have someone who they could nab for the role. Hell, if worst comes to worst, Geoff HAS always wanted to be in RWBY.
     
    Carrnage said:
    could Geoff pull off Qrow's gravel though?
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    Probably. The man was a major alcoholic for years- his natural speaking voice isnt too far off from what you'd need when he isn't screaming his head off or laughing. Just lower the pitch a bit and he'd be ok- not great, but good enough to pass muster if they can't get anyone else.
     
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    Jcogginsa said:
    Two problems there
    1. I don't think Blum lives in Texas
    2. Steve is a Union member. RWBY is a non-Union Production
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    I mean Elizabeth Maxwell and I'd imagine Vic are both union members. They'd almost have to be. Jen Taylor, who voices Salem, was part of the voice actor's strike, so I don't think union status is all that relevant. As for living in Texas, I don't think Micheal B Jordan or David Tenet live in Texas and they work on Gen:Lock.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I mean Elizabeth Maxwell and I'd imagine Vic are both union members. They'd almost have to be. Jen Taylor, who voices Salem, was part of the voice actor's strike, so I don't think union status is all that relevant. As for living in Texas, I don't think Micheal B Jordan or David Tenet live in Texas and they work on Gen:Lock.
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    Again, RWBY is a non-union production. That means members people who are in Unions are not allowed to work in them. So it'd be really unwise to assume the Vic is in the Union, since being in RWBY would heavily suggest that he isn't
     
    On one hand, I'm worried that if a company as unprofessional as RoosterTeeth came to the conclusion to fire him, this is probably gonna mean the unions and actual dubbing companies will end up announcing the same news very soon.

    On the other hand, this gives me hope that they'll finally kill off Qrow, since Vic was 70% of the reason they kept him around. Plus, it'd give the opportunity to do a cold open in which he dies to those flying monkeys.

    On the other other hand, this is RoosterTeeth, and not only do they have a reputation for fucking up easy opportunities, they've also already pulled a recast on Mercury back in Season 3 because they managed to snag Yuri Lowenthal and wanted somebody for him to play. They'll probably tell Gray to sub in using his best drunk voice.
     
    Jcogginsa said:
    Again, RWBY is a non-union production. That means members people who are in Unions are not allowed to work in them. So it'd be really unwise to assume the Vic is in the Union since being in RWBY would heavily suggest that he isn't
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    Ok, what about Elizebeth Maxwell and Jen Taylor. I'll spot you, Maxwell, because I'm not sure, but Jen Taylor is 100% union. She was active in the recent strike, she worked on games like Halo and Destiny, both of which were union projects. Hell Tenet and Jordan work on Gen:Lock and they're SAG members. I don't think the lack of union creds is really going to hold people back.
     
    Notes on Unions, from TVTropes

    SAG is quite well known for their controversial "Global Rule One" , which bars their members from working in non-union environments. This made it especially difficult for voice actors who had entered the voice acting business through anime (like Steve Blum and Crispin Freeman) to reprise some of their old roles, as most anime dubbing projects are considered non-union note ​. Needless to say, the Global Rule One is one of the main reasons that there is limited work for their members and some of them even had to work in non-union shops under a pseudonym to work around this rule.
    There is an out, however. Under current US labor law (not just Hollywood unions) an individual can claim "financial core" status (which is why some union voice actors, such as Stephanie Sheh, Wendee Lee, Liam O'Brien, and Matthew Mercer are able to work on non-union dubs, in addition to doing union-only work). This requires the individual to pay union dues, and allows them full union protection on union jobs, but does not obligate them to honor the union's bylaws (such as the aforementioned "Global Rule One"). Mentioning this to a SAG diehard however is a bad idea, and they've routinely put out notices about how "fi-core" will eventually be the end of organized labor as we know it.
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    VolantRedX said:
    Ok, what about Elizebeth Maxwell and Jen Taylor. I'll spot you, Maxwell, because I'm not sure, but Jen Taylor is 100% union. She was active in the recent strike, she worked on games like Halo and Destiny, both of which were union projects. Hell Tenet and Jordan work on Gen:Lock and they're SAG members. I don't think the lack of union creds is really going to hold people back.
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    Most Likely, they've got Fi-Core
     
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    Hmm....
    Perhaps he suffers a throat injury, and due to that, when his throat heals up, it sounds a bit different?
     
    This requires the individual to pay union dues
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    So basically, if a guild member wants to do non-union work, they have to bribe the Guild to look the other way. Which probably means that they probably ask for reimbursement, plus considerable interest, from the non-union company they've agreed to work with. And that probably means that at least a quarter of RT's budget probably goes to compensating the union talent for their trouble.
     
    Delphisage said:
    So basically, if a guild member wants to do non-union work, they have to bribe the Guild to look the other way. Which probably means that they probably ask for reimbursement, plus considerable interest, from the non-union company they've agreed to work with. And that probably means that at least a quarter of RT's budget probably goes to compensating the union talent for their trouble.
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    Sounds like rt animation side needs to unionize then. :V
     
    Tasrill said:
    Sounds like rt animation side needs to unionize then. :V
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    The issue with this is that most of the cast aren't actors. They're mostly just staff who happened to be on hand at the start of the show. It's expensive to join things like SAG and it'd likely be both cheaper and make more sense to just pay extra for union work. Which again they must have done at some point because Salem's voice actress is union and was part of the recent strike.
     
    Wonder how much money they saved by sacking him. Perhaps it might lead to some big budget beef ups?
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Wonder how much money they saved by sacking him. Perhaps it might lead to some big budget beef ups?
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    Even a major role in one volume of RWBY is only a few days of VA work. These aren't Hollywood celebrities in a live-action blockbuster, no one is bringing in millions of dollars on a single voice-acting job. Except when some AAA video game decides it wants to hire a Hollywood actor, of course.
     
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