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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    Tython82 said:

    Ep 9 is a go
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    The CC is busted, I can't change it from German and the only way I can watch them in English is if I log in and go to the edit function...which I don't even understand how I have as I didn't make the video. Of course it said "Submit for Review", but it still needs to he fixed.

    Though the jokes in them weren't that good this week anyway. The best was Pyrrah's when tagging Jaune [You are mine tonight]. Second after that was a OPM reference with Ren training.
     
    Not gonna lie, that Ren skit was absolutely amazing to me. I don't know why, but I just love that kind of humor.
     
    One thing I would like to see in Volume 4 is if they are gonna do anything with Yang's shadow friends we saw in Volume 1. Or Rwby's friends from her combat school, the ones she was writing letters to, also in Volume 1.

    I mean, it's kind of implied that they come from the same combat school as her. With the evacuation of Beacon and the surrounding areas it wouldn't be much of a stretch that one of those friends, which could live in Patch in the same area as the Xiao Long household previously, could be around while Yang is moping.
     
    I don't think we need even more characters in the mix. There's so little time they have to dedicate to the characters already there. Even less, now that the main characters are split between at least three locations.
     
    Barnaby said:
    I don't think we need even more characters in the mix. There's so little time they have to dedicate to the characters already there. Even less, now that the main characters are split between at least three locations.
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    They don't need to be focused on that much. Just make a slightly less generic background character and give them a couple of lines of dialogue. Hell don't give them any dialogue, let them send messages or have Taiyang mentioned that they've been asking for her. Etc.
     
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    [Note] RWBY Director's Commentary (Volumes 1-3)
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    • So I've put this on both the normal RWBY thread and the Idea & Rec thread on SB, so I figure I might as well put it here. Basically, I watched all three Volumes of RWBY with the director's commentary on and wrote down the tidbits I thought were interesting (as well as some personal observations). For Volume 1, we have:

    • The Dust containers in From Dust 'Til Dawn were modeled off of a wine opener

    • According to Miles, Roman was going to be a one-off villain "when we first wrote the first five chapters." It was because they found Roman really fun and Gray Haddock turned in such a great performance that they expanded his role. So that the fans loved the guy was more a happy coincidence than the actual reason behind his expanded role

    • Cinder vs Glynda was another fight Monty just threw in there because quote: "It was just another one of those days where I was like 'I'm gonna do something with... snake-rocks or, well I don't know what these are honestly.'"

    • To get into character for voicing Ruby, Lindsay listened to a lot of super upbeat K-pop dance music. Anyone who has trouble writing Ruby, try that out

    • The full name of Lisa Lavender's male counterpart is Cyril Ian

    • Jaune's name was going to be Jean, pronounced like blue jeans. Bernie pointed out the "jaune as in jaundice" thing when they explained it to him. So his "color " was actually supposed to be blue, not yellow

    • When Arryn was trying out for Blake, they had her ad-lib with Miles voicing Jaune. The scene was just "Blake's trying to read, Jaune's bugging her." Miles ad-libbed the whole "crush on Weiss" thing there, and they added it into the series

    • The Dust explosion Ruby and Weiss caused was actually going to leave a crater, but they ran out of time/forgot about it in the crunch. So feel free to have Dust bottles making craters when they explode when you're writing fanfics

    • The actual first intended hint that Blake was a faunus was the fact that she was wearing her bow even after she'd change into her pajamas (hence why Yang compliments it; to draw attention). She's reading by a candelabra as a reference to Beauty and the Beast; Miles said they wanted her to have a lot of items associated with the movie like that. Come to think of it, that's probably where Adam's rose motif comes from: he's the Beast, and the Beast's life was connected to a rose

    • Also, now and forever let it be known that both the singular and plural of faunus is just "faunus." Not fauna, not fauni, just faunus

    • Due to sleep deprivation and excitement, Miles accidentally introduces Ren as "Ren Valkyrie," accidentally "shipping them in my brain," as he puts it. Kerry goes "So he took the last name?" and Miles replies that Ren's progressive like that. I feel like there's some potential there.

    • Ren and Nora were kind of the first time that Monty basically gave Miles and Kerry mostly free reign to make their actual characters. Monty wrote a short write-up for every character, but all Ren and Nora got was "noble warrior" and "strong woman." Everything else was Miles and Kerry; it started with them wanting a joke where Nora was a morning person and Ren wasn't, then they just extended that into everything the two did, so now Nora is the one who's always super excited and Ren is hardly ever excited at all
    • Kerry describes Ren and Nora as basically that they share the same pool of energy. Nora takes it all, so Ren has nothing left to be energetic about
    • The first time Pyrrha spears Jaune to the wall in the locker room was, just like the rocket lockers, put there to establish that Jaune could survive it when they did it again later.
    • The catapult launch came about because Monty wanted to showcase the capabilities of the main cast in an exciting but non-combat scenario. They didn't know what to do to do that until one day Monty just approached Miles and Kerry and just said, "Catapults."
    • Monty set Yang's scene where she's sending herself flying to "Danger Zone" from Top Gun.
    • Miles gives Ozpin's logic for the "eye contact = partners" thing: out in the real world, you'll often have to work with people you don't know or even like, and if people can't do that, they're screwed. Also, he describes Ozpin's methods as, "There's a difference between leaving things to chance and letting things play out."
    • The Grimm's color scheme is red, white, black and yellow. The yellow is hard to notice because it's mostly just a tint in the eyes or things like the Deathstalker's stinger.
    • Monty said he had a lot of theories and ideas about the philosophy of Aura and how it could be used, but for the most part, he just made it so he could have an excuse to have people fight things Monty-style without dropping like flies every time they got shot or takes a big hit.
    • Personal observation, Blake basically has two "modes" to the way she moves: "ninja" and "runway model." Seriously, she's always either ninja-ing around or she's strutting

    • Originally, the relics were going to be inside of Grimm in the forest. So when Jaune grabs the Deathstalker's glowing tail, it would have been glowing because the relic was in it and he would have seen it

    • Whatever faults the animation in Volume 1 have (and there's a lot of them), I absolutely love the body language and expressions. It gives them so much character that you don't really notice the first time you see it
    • To Nora, fighting is mostly just a really fun game that she happens to be really good at. Exploring how that attitude shifts would be fun to see in Volume 4.
    • OH GOD THE HINDSIGHT. "Speaking of internal bleeding, hi Pyrrha!" Jesus.
    • Miles pointed out something about those ruins at initiation: before the people of Remnant had high technology and awesome walls to keep them safe, they built that structure on the side of a cliff, connected to the ground by bridges. Essentially, they built themselves with their backs against a wall and with only a few areas of approach that Grimm could use. It's an interesting insight into how the people of Remnant have historically dealt with the threat of Grimm.
    • Originally, the fight in "Players and Pieces" would have been the Giant Nevermore and the Deathstalker, plus two more Grimm: a Giant Boarbatusk and another Grimm that they hadn't introduced yet so didn't name, and part of the fight would have involved them making the monsters take each other out (the slingshot still would have been there, but JNPR's strategy against the Deathstalker came later)

    • Miles and Kerry originally planned out the slingshot scene, to the point that they were acting it out, drawing diagrams, etc. Then Monty just suddenly said, "Actually, I think I have an idea for how to do it" and it became what it is now. In fact, the entire extended fight scene of Players and Pieces was done almost entirely by Monty in about 3-4 weeks

    • Monty made the basic outline of the battlefield by taking the ruin where they got the relics and just making it huge. Which actually fits well architecturally, since a lot of cultures really like being able to make the basic same structure and just make it smaller or larger as need be

    • Originally, they would have been in the trees fighting and the wounded Deathstalker would be thrashing around and felling the trees. Pyrrha would have fallen and Jaune would have jumped in with his shield to protect her. I like the way it turned out better, where nobody has to be "saved" except for Ruby with Weiss

    • Something they pointed out: when Blake falls and then recovers, she basically sees the Nevermore nearby and performs "recon" by attacking it, then reporting back to Yang, her partner. Not to Ruby, who Blake only talked to once and who isn't her partner, but to Yang, who seems like the more obviously "take charge" person. But Yang's only plan is "hit it harder and more often," where Ruby MacGuyvers a plan on the fly that uses everyone's unique abilities. Yang's far from stupid, but she likes to keep things plain and simple a little too much to be a good leader for team RWBY

    • An interesting thing I noticed: Jaune basically uses very straightforward but effective tactics to defeat the Deathstalker, while Ruby uses a convoluted and insane but ultimately successful plan to kill the Nevermore. It really encapsulates their different personalities and leadership styles

    • Ruby and Jaune's willingness to put themselves in the most dangerous positions during the plans they make are part of what make them the leaders of their teams, not just the bosses
    • The "Dumb Cops" line Roman wrote on the map of Vale is both him being childish and a legitimate thing: the police are less competent in the industrial/agricultural districts than in the commercial/residential districts.
    • I didn't notice until now that everyone has different socks with the school uniform. I guess the socks aren't regulated by the dress code, so it's used to personalize it by the students? Ruby of course is still wearing her tights, Weiss has short socks that only go a little above her ankles, Blake has socks that end just below her knees, Nora's go over her knees, Yang wears thigh-highs, and I think Pyrrha is also wearing tights but they might be thigh-highs
    • Even Miles, Kerry and Monty himself had not actually ironed out what Ozpin drinks out of that mug at this time. Miles think they were going to do a joke where it was just hot chocolate, and Kerry and Monty don't remember and can't agree on what's in it.
    • Port keeping a Grimm in a cage was not a deliberate reference to Ryan Haywood's habit of keeping animals in pits and cages in Minecraft, just an act of serendipity; the episode was written months before that became a thing. Also, they made a lot of jokes about what he was doing when he was standing out on that balcony. The one I choose to take as canon is that he's staring out at the world, thinking about past hunts and prey that got away and thinking, "They're out there somewhere, and I'm going to kill them all."
    • Something Kerry pointed out during Weiss's reconciliation with Ruby: Weiss can't just say "you're good," she has to say "you're good, and I'm going to be the best, too"

    • The symbol on Jaune's shield is not two crescent moons, it's a rainbow

    • Miles points out what everyone's eating during the lunch scene: Jaune has Beowolf-shaped chicken nuggets and mashed potatoes, Ruby is just eating cookies (I bet Yang will get on her case about that and tell her to eat healthier), Yang and Pyrrha both have salads, Weiss is eating a green apple, Nora has a sandwich (or perhaps a sandvich?), Ren has a mug of tea that he's holding by the cup rather than the handle (perhaps he's used to Chinese-style teacups, which don't have handles?), and Blake is just reading. Kerry says it's a good showing of how they interact: some of them are off in their own world, some of them are drawn into conversations or worried about the others, but they're all sitting there together as friends either way
    • Monty gives another name for the rocket lockers: ordnance pods. Might be what they're called in military contexts?

    • Oobleck's extremely dedicated, workaholic character was partially based on how Monty got when he was working
    • A lot of people auditioned to voice Oobleck, including Miles and Gavin, but Joel Hayman won out because of the way he "quietly yells," as they put it.
    • Just an observation... when she's wearing the student uniform instead of her corset, Pyrrha seems as busty as Yang.
    • They point out some traits of both Jaune and Pyrrha: Jaune's greatest strength and greatest weakness is that he's determined and doesn't back down when he has a goal. It's what drives him to actually try to become a Huntsman even though he knows he sucks, but it's also what makes him charge in without thinking no matter how many times he gets smacked down and why he strikes out so hard with Weiss; his determination easily turns into blatant and idiotic stubbornness, and that laser-like focus on his goal gives him tunnel-vision.
    • Meanwhile, Pyrrha is someone who sees the best in everyone and wants to help everyone: they bring up that they only really show that side of her with Jaune, but she's like that with everyone. She also doesn't really "get" that some people just aren't ready to accept help and that sometimes she needs to take a step back.
    • According to Kerry, one of the defining traits of Jaune and Pyrrha's relationship is miscommunication, which is a big part of growing up.
    • JNPR was going to be wearing pajamas during Jaunedice in the scene in their room, but making a new outfit basically means making and rigging an entire new character model, so that got scrapped. There was also going to be a scene of Ren loading StormFlower with rounds that had the Schnee emblem on them to establish that yes, all their bullets are Dust-powered, but it also got scrapped for time
    • Monty explains the "special snowflake" nature of the weapons in RWBY by saying that he thinks that the most powerful traits humanity has are ingenuity and creativity. That's also why Dust is basically magic but is used in very industrial, high-tech ways; people are creative and will think of ways to use what they find in their environment to their best advantage.
    • Forever Fall "goes on for miles" on the northern coast bordering Vale. If you look at the map of Vale in Chapter 5, that might help you establish the scale, but I never really cared much about reconciling the size of Vale and prefer to just choose based on what fits the story I'm trying to tell better.
    • Also, on RDL running away from the Ursa Major, which I think works as proof on the idea that RWBY and JNPR (and probably CFVY too) are far above the norm - Miles: We wanted to establish why all these dudes, these Huntsmen, run away from an Ursa. We're like, 'Well, let's just make it a really big Ursa.' And, y'know, maybe they didn't do that much fighting in the Emerald Forest, maybe they're not as good as RWBY and JNPR.
    • "Jaune always gets up one more time than he falls down. He might stumble a bit, but he will get up." That's a very good summation of Jaune to me
    • The world of Remnant and the Vytal Festival originally had their names switched. And they do have a whole history of the world of Remnant drawn up
    • Blake's reaction to her first meeting with Sun is summed up as "Did... that really just happen?"
    • During their first meeting with Penny, when Yang says something insensitive and Blake sort of slap-taps her, it's a good summation of their relationship in general: Yang says or does something without thinking and Blake reels her in. They also point out that RWBY is made up of two very contrasting pairs, but where that contrast causes friction between Ruby and Weiss, Blake and Yang became very fast friends and get along flawlessly most of the time
    • The reason Blake stares at that statue of human Hunters standing over a vanquished Grimm (vanquished monsters) is because that statue represents the triumph of man over monsters. It raises in Blake the question "where are the faunus in this picture?" Keep in mind that the White Fang adopted the practice of wearing Grimm masks under the logic "humans want to make us out to be monsters; let's wear the faces of monsters then."
    • According to Miles, the reason Sun follows Blake around and gets involved with her is basically, "So I'm here in this kingdom I don't really know my way around, just kinda bummin' around until school starts back up. Hey, this cat faunus girl is pretty cute, but she seems like she's got something on her mind. I'll talk to her, see how it goes from there" and just gets steadily more invested as it goes
    • Volume 1 can be summed up as "Weiss has problems with everyone except Yang." Which makes me realize that yeah, Weis and Yang actually seem to get along a lot better than you'd expect them to
    • Sun gets really enthusiastic about his plan to find out whether the White Fang are the ones behind the robberies. Kerry says it's because he feels like it's finally "his turn" to be the smart guy with the plan. So apparently someone else on team SSSN is usually the "idea guy," even though Sun himself is the leader. I'm gonna guess Sage purely because of the name. Either that or Scarlet, just to differentiate Scarlet from the odd, rather dopey guy who voices him
    • I never realized just how stiff and robotic Penny's movements are in Volume 1. Even her walk, where her arms are firm and completely motionless at her sides and her feet move in this stiff, mechanical way, and how when she leans over she bends completely at an angle; there's no curve at all, she just sharply bends at the waist and no other part of her moves
    • The design of Sun's weapons predate RWBY itself
    • During the Blake trailer, Monty wanted Blake to cut the train in half, but Miles said (and Monty agreed) that it was way to early and Blake shouldn't be strong enough to do that yet. But they wanted to cut a vehicle in half, so even though they only had like 36 hours left they added in Penny cutting the Bullheads in half with her laser
     
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    • During the Blake trailer, Monty wanted Blake to cut the train in half, but Miles said (and Monty agreed) that it was way to early and Blake shouldn't be strong enough to do that yet. But they wanted to cut a vehicle in half, so even though they only had like 36 hours left they added in Penny cutting the Bullheads in half with her laser
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    Hmm...actually if you think about it that means that in the Battle of Beacon both Weiss and Blake reached a new level with their semblances, while at the same time both Ruby and Yang failed at saving someone.
     
    Volume 2:

    • Tukson was originally going to be blond and his name would have been Tucson (pronounced like the city, "two-sawn"). They changed it to "Tukson" because they all kept mispronouncing it so they said "f*ck it"

    • There was going to be a blood splatter on the door of Tukson's book shop when Emerald and Mercury leave, but they decided against it

    • The food fight happened mostly because Monty wanted a fight scene for the first episode

    • Yang apparently knows how to tie a cherry stem with her tongue

    • Weiss's increased friendliness in Volume 2 was much more subtle when they first wrote it, but Kara Eberle's performance and the animations and such made it what it is now

    • Monty wanted Jaune to do more in the food fight, but he sort of had him taken out immediately to keep the scene from getting too complicated and taking too much time. He himself points out that a lot of times in his fight scenes with lots of people he'll have a few people get "taken out" for a little bit so he can narrow the focus on just a few people

    • Miles jokes that Ren could have won his hand-to-hand with Yang or at least done a better job, but his view up Yang's skirt kept him from focusing. Also, Ren's leeks were going to be cucumbers, but they looked too much like "wobbly dildos" as Monty put it

    • It's kind of sad seeing how much Monty, Miles and Kerry gush over Shane Newville's work, all things considered. Especially when Miles says he's going to go hug him as soon as the commentary's over

    • I never noticed the SDC had an ad on the back of Jaune's X-Ray & Vav comic. The tagline is "The Finest of Them All," which was also on the back of Ruby's weapon magazine in Chapter 1, Volume 1

    • Monty really liked characters having conversations with Ozpin because he thought Ozpin was a good person for each character to work off and react to

    • Probably obvious personal observation, but in-universe a lot of the reason characters like Blake and Ironwood find it hard to trust Ozpin is because of the fundamental dichotomy that Ozpin gives the impression that he wants to help, but he also gives the impression that he always knows far more than he pretends to and isn't going to tell you for reasons he doesn't make clear

    • Even Miles and Kerry were a little leery at first of Cinder passing for a student. Personally, I never had a problem with it

    • Monty made team RWBY's alt-costumes and says they were really "hacked together." Weiss's Snow Pea outfit is basically Ruby's dress colored white and with buttons and a collar added

    • Having rewatched the first volume so recently, I can safely say that Penny's body language is way more human than it was previously, even from the first moment. In Volume 1 when she leaned forward she literally just bent her waist at an angle and kept every other part of her completely stiff. Now when she picks up Ruby's scroll she bends her knees a bit and her back actually makes a curve instead of being a straight line. She also moves her arms when she walks and her leg movements are far more natural. How long was the gap between semesters at Beacon? I'd guess a few weeks at least, but either way the extent to which Penny's learned and grown suggests to me that she was really, really young in Volume 1. Like, maybe only a few weeks old tops

    • The receptionist at the CCT wasn't intended to be a hologram at first

    • As part of Ironwood's "and admittedly, a little less scary" thing he had going with the Atlesian Knights, they were originally meant to have goofy emoticon faces on their visors that could pop up, but that got scrapped for time so instead the Knights just pose goofily. Also, the scene where Ironwood's pitching them was described to the animator as "imagine if Steve Jobs ran a military"

    • They themselves wonder whether it's actually the same shopkeep every time, or whether it's a Nurse Joy/Officer Jenny kind of deal where there's a million identical siblings

    • Monty pointed out how bouncy Penny's hair is, which makes me wonder what it's made out of. It has to be something close enough to actual hair that it can stand up to casual inspection... Also, people jokingly call Penny a "cinnamon roll," and Miles says that Penny's hair always makes him hungry for Cinnabon

    • Miles points out that he doesn't know when they started doing it, but they started framing scenes and shots so that Neptune would be there but you wouldn't notice it at first. Monty says it fits his character, which is someone who tries hard to be cool but doesn't stand out as much as he'd like to

    • Neptune will hit on anything with "not-a-penis" in Kerry's words

    • Looking at the White Fang rally again, about 20% of them are new arrivals and the rest are in costume

    • "Painting the Town..." was going to be called "Techs-Mechs" but it sounded too much like an RvB episode

    • Seeing them run from the Paladin, it's interesting seeing the difference in how Blake and Sun get around. Blake goes for the fancy acrobatics while Sun's movements more resemble parkour

    • Monty calls Sun's Semblance "Via Sun." He points out the difference between Via Sun and Blake's Shadow Clones: Sun sends his clones out to act and has to stay back to direct them, Blake leaves her clones behind while she acts herself; read into that what you will about what they say about them. Also, Miles says he had an idea for Sun using his clones to try to hug Blake and Blake using her clones to avoid it. Wonder if that'll show up in RWBY Chibi?

    • Originally, Pyrrha single-handedly stomping team CRDL would have been part of some kind of preliminary qualifier thing for the Vytal Festival Tournament

    • Monty says that Dove's probably the best fighter on team CRDL

    • They talk about how Blake's at a point they've all been, where you feel like you have to keep working but you're not doing yourself any good by doing it, and Monty says "we all need a Yang in our lives to just hug it away." Rejoice, BumbleBY shippers

    • Personal observation: Ruby and Yang look a lot more into Jaune's guitar and song routine, at least in the sense of finding it amusing rather than annoying. Too bad he had to try it on Weiss

    • Kerry jokes that the portrait of Forever Fall that's in every room was made by Team IKEA

    • Nora's "Boop" shirt and short shorts were her original design for pajamas. They still wanted to get all of JNPR in pajamas but couldn't. And now unless they do a flashback, they never will...

    • During that scene where Yang shoves Blake and then hugs her, Monty said they get to "use this scene later in a more extreme fashion"

    • Weiss's body language when she's asking out Neptune is really dainty and "girly girl with a crush"

    • This is just a personal thing, I actually really like Yang's simple white dress for the dance

    • Monty admitted there was a time when he was like Ruby and didn't know how to dance and was a wallflower at parties. Mind = blown at the idea that there was ever a time Monty couldn't dance

    • Pyrrha's dress at the dance is just an altered version of Cinder's dress at the dance

    • They hinted at Neptune being a goofball trying to be cool as early as episode 2 in the library, where Neptune has a knee-jerk reaction to being called a nerd by Sun as if it happens a lot

    • Originally all of team JNPR was going to be cross-dressing with Jaune at the dance. They actually did make a rig of Nora in a tuxedo and almost made one of Ren in a dress, but they ran out of time for the others

    • To those asking "Why didn't Ruby just take off her heels to fight Cinder?" The answer is because that's a whole new model they would have had to make

    • I hadn't noticed before, but Ironwood and Glynda's bickering really exasperates Ozpin. It's definitely something that happens a lot

    • The brand of Zwei's dog food is "Gentleman's Best Friend" and shows a dog with a bowtie

    • I think Ozpin letting team RWBY go to Mountain Glenn as a mission is a good example of what they said in Volume 1 that "there's a difference between leaving it to chance and letting things play out." Ozpin knows team RWBY's going to find a way to involve themselves, so he lets them but he makes sure that it's with someone he trusts to keep an eye on them and help them

    • There's concept art for "emaciated" Beowolves. Which seems weird to me since WoR establishes that Grimm don't actually need to eat. They also hint at a Grimm they didn't show this volume related to that, which probably refers to the Alpha Beowolf

    • Port and Oobleck have gone on expeditions together a lot. Port goes to kill stuff, Oobleck goes to study and document stuff they find on the way

    • Ironwood and Glynda's scene at night was added mostly to provide a bit of breathing room so that chapters 9 and 10 didn't seem back-to-back, and also to try to make it so that Ironwood didn't seem like he was just being an asshole working behind Ozpin's back by establishing that he really does think he's doing the right thing

    • It occurs to me that Blake gets along best with Yang and Sun, who are similar in a lot of ways, and those similarities are ones that make them very different from Adam. I think Blake is just naturally attracted to people who don't remind her of Adam these days

    • Explaining that Ruby sucks without Crescent Rose was that, "She's great... when she's got all her stuff together. But she's still learning..." I think she's an example of what TVTropes calls "sacrificed basic skill for awesome training"

    • The grappling hook thing in Torchwick's cane was going to be used in Chapter 1 of Volume 1 for a short chase scene. Also, "Roman Torchwick: Master of the Crane Game at Arcades"

    • Roman's racism against the faunus is a good representation of how a lot of people on Remnant see them. Of course, I figure few do it with quite as casual and upfront an attitude as Torchwick, especially in front of a sh*tload of White Fang, because Roman knows he can take on all of them if he feels like it

    • Just now noticed, Ruby points out the White Fang on top of the train by saying "We've got baddies!" and one of the White Fang in the front has bat ears. Kerry thinks one of the animators did that just to make it a pun

    • So originally there were going to be blast doors that the robots on the train would be destroying, which is why there are so many Paladins there

    • The Creeps are to show that not every Grimm is based on a specific real or mythical animal

    • The fights with Neo and the Lieutenant happened because Monty wanted boss fights to spice it up

    • Roman's cane-work is partly based on bartitsu

    • There's a lot of things that they really want to do but have to move back. The stuff with Raven was going to be one of them, but Monty just really wanted it to make it in

    • Before they made the models, Vale's shadowy council of assholes was represented by a picture of the Village People
     
    And finally Volume 3:

    • At first, the opening scene of Volume 3 wasn't a tribute to Monty when Miles and Kerry wrote it (Monty had planned out the scene first), but everyone assumed it was and asked them about it, so they were like "you know what... yeah, we need to do this"

    • It really is amazing the sheer natural talent Monty had for making fight scenes. Like, they didn't storyboard many of the fight scenes or plan out actions and stuff very much in Volumes 1 and 2. A lot of the time, they just wrote in the script "Monty action here" and Monty would just do whatever the hell he felt like doing, or the storyboards and stuff would just give Monty an idea and he would go from there. I'll never pretend that Monty's stuff was perfect or untouchable, but the man had talent

    • I love how Nora never just walks anywhere. She's always skipping or prancing or marching or something. It's great

    • I said it again for Volume 1, I'll say it again now: when you rewatch this stuff, the sheer amount of character they get across in facial expressions and body language is just amazing. And often absolutely adorable/hilarious

    • They didn't realize the problem with May Zedong's name until it was pointed out when the episode came out and they gave the names out on Twitter

    • There was going to be a (recurring?) gag where the mountain that pops up in some fights blocks some guy's view of the fight completely and he goes "Oh come on!"

    • Someone did an animation as a joke where, after Neptune zaps NDGO while they're in the water they float face-down on top of it, charred black and clearly dead

    • In one draft Qrow was going to be in the very first episode of the first volume

    • Elizabeth Maxwell (Winter) and Kara Eberle (Weiss) did not meet until Maxwell started auditioning for RWBY, but they share so many mannerisms that it's apparently kind of weird and they've gotten really close as friends and are almost like actual sisters. Before actually trying any characters Maxwell gave a general reading just so they would know what she sounded like, and right there Gray Haddock was like "She sounds like an older version of Kara"

    • Weiss's Myrtenaster was something she made based on Winter's weapon, but intended to be better than it, an improvement upon it; which says a lot about how Weiss sees Winter: not just as her incredible big sister she's put on a pedestal, but as a milestone she wants to one day overcome. Also, the smaller sword inside her rapier is a hint at Winter being more willing to fight in a deceptive, tactical manner

    • That scene where they're chewing out Winter and Qrow and they look at Qrow while he's got the flask to his mouth and takes it away has an alternate version where Qrow looks at them and just keeps drinking

    • The walls in Ozpin's office can transition between opaque and see-through

    • They were going to reveal more of Mercury's backstory at first, but then decided "Eh, why show it all now?"

    • Yatsuhashi's VA is basically the nicest, most Canadian guy ever

    • The mo-cap for Mercury involved a lot of breakdancing

    • Miles, Kerry and Gray gush about the Japanese dub that was being made and talk about how floored they were by how much response they got in Japan about it. They said it was their #1 "Monty, why couldn't you be here to see this?" moment

    • They didn't know until after they'd hired her that Yssa (one of the animators and the VA for Ciel Soleil) was actually a huge RWBY fan and had done fanart and stuff. She actually made a poster of those four posters team SSSN's fans held up and the team's VAs signed it as their characters. They ended up making this internal channel called "Yssa Cries at RWBY" where they basically record her reaction to them telling her everything that was going to happen in Volume 3. According to Miles and Kerry it "gave them energy." I can definitely relate.

    • There are some Semblances where "a lot of people think they know what it is, but it isn't"

    • This is already known at this point, but yeah, Nora and Pyrrha were going to fight Sun and Neptune but it got cut for time. A swamp biome and an anti-grav biome would have been involved, Pyrrha and Nora would have knocked Sun into the swamp (which has a lot of water) to take advantage of Neptune's fear of water and double-team Sun (with Nora taunting Neptune and calling him a "water weenie"), and Sun would be yelling at Neptune to activate "Plan B," which Neptune would be against at first but would eventually have this dramatic sequence where he pulls a string on his jacket and it turns out he's just inflating water wings under his jacket. The arena would be dead silent until one person just started laughing uproariously and the camera would pan over to reveal Weiss just losing her sh*t and then everyone would follow suit, but Neptune wouldn't care and would go help his friend, but they'd lose when Pyrrha busted his water wings to take him out of the fight and then they'd take out Sun. Neptune getting over his fear of water by wearing water wings was going to be character development for him, showing that he'd taken Jaune's advice to heart and was starting to get over his obsession with looking cool all the time

    • Damn I love Neon...

    • Team FNKI was first envisioned in conversations during Volume 1 and just grew over time

    • Hearing about all the work he had to do for this volume (especially Never Miss A Beat) and how well he did it, I can conclude that Jeff Williams is basically the Monty Oum of music

    • What became the WoR of Ozpin recounting the full Maiden story was going to be the story Pyrrha told in the episode, but it was going on too long so they pushed one WoR to Volume 4

    • God, seeing Pyrrha just so scared and vulnerable is making me straight tear up now...

    • Walking through that long hallway to Amber's pod was basically the most difficult scene to animate in the entire volume. They didn't finish the episode until one hour before they released it

    • I love that when Yang wins her fight Blake stands up in her seat with excitement, but is still reserved enough to do a tiny little golf clap

    • In earlier drafts, Mercury's leg was going to look way worse. In some it was bent completely the wrong way, in another one it was just plain ripped off, etc.

    • They had planned out a villain-centric episode, but they didn't decide it was going to be a flashback until relatively late in the game

    • According to Miles, "If Dust-based magic is like, the fast food of this world, then like, actual Maiden magic is the whole foods, organic version of magic"

    • The difference between Emerald and Neo's Semblances are described basically as "Emerald makes hallucinations that one or two see, Neo makes illusions everyone can see"

    • Originally Cinder, Mercury and Emerald were going to be wearing masks when they attacked Amber, but it took away a lot from facial expressions so they took that out and realized "Oh, Emerald can just make sure Qrow doesn't see their faces"

    • The scene between Jaune and Pyrrha in "Destiny" had 4 different animators working on it, but it looks pretty damn seamless. Also damn it this stuff is making me sad even though I'm not hearing any of the dialogue

    • Never noticed that the arena has the symbols of the Four Kingdoms on it

    • Confirmed that there was going to be a joke that hot chocolate is what Ozpin drinks out of his mug, but they never got around to it

    • There were a lot of joke takes for Penny's death, including "But, why?" and "Will I dream? Daisy, Daisy..." Oh, and one where Penny's disembodied hand flips around to flip off the camera

    • Because of her schedule, Jessica Nigri had to record all of Cinder's lines for Volume 3 in 2 hours. With that in mind, she did an absolutely amazing job

    • The Nevermore beheading scene wasn't going to be there, it would have just been killed by the lockers, but one of the animators basically made one or two frames a day for weeks to make it what it was all on his own

    • "Sun is the most consecutively bailed-on character in RWBY" according to Miles.

    • They mention that the reason Adam's "fight" with Blake and Yang happens in the cafeteria is because of the food fight in Volume 2 and the symbolism of a place where such light-hearted fun now having such a horrible event happening in it. It occurs to me that Blake and Yang will never be able to remember any good memories of that cafeteria without their minds going back to the time that Yang lost her arm

    • Velvet's fighting style is in fact a combination of her weapon and her Semblance. They say outright that her weapon is meant to complement her Semblance

    • Torchwick and Neo's teamwork really is flawless. You definitely get the impression that they've fought together for a long time

    • Ruby beating Neo by opening her umbrella shows off one of her best traits: she thinks outside of the box. A "mature, serious adult" fighter wouldn't think of a lot of the crazy stuff Ruby does. I guess that's more of that "simple soul" stuff

    • I never realized: Ironwood wears a turtleneck under his uniform

    • Adam and Blake's relationship is "extremely complicated and dark" and Miles refers to him as a crazy, abusive ex-boyfriend on an ego trip

    • You know, as awful as Pyrrha's death is, Amber's is just as bad. She literally just spent months in a coma and woke up only to get an arrow in the chest and die a horrible, choking death

    • They animated a version of Blake's near-decapitation where the camera actually cuts to the front

    • Seeing a wounded Ren and Nora - Miles: "Everything hurts and nothing is okay!" Kerry: "Physically or mentally."

    • Jaune and Pyrrha's last interaction – Miles: "Oh that hurt a lot." Kerry: "It's going to hurt a lot more." Miles: "I know."

    • I think that dragon's got teeth bigger than Cinder

    • Ruby and Yang share a room, the same room that Ruby wakes up in. Yang's in a guest room. You can actually see a bed next to Ruby's that has yellow pillows where Ruby's has red

    • Taiyang's this guy who used to be this cool, fearless dude but "now he has dad shorts." Also, he and Qrow have "a few philosophical differences"

    • Each member of team RWBY kind of lost something that they considered very important to them at the Battle of Beacon. Ruby lost friends, Weiss lost her independence, Blake lost people she could trust and confide in, Yang lost both a lot of her fighting prowess and a piece of herself, and JNR lost a teammate – I've said before that I think JNPR was even more tightly-knit than RWBY and saw themselves as sort of a family, especially Ren and Nora who seem to have only really had each other for a long time
     
    Leingod said:
    Roman's racism against the faunus is a good representation of how a lot of people on Remnant see them. Of course, I figure few do it with quite as casual and upfront an attitude as Torchwick, especially in front of a sh*tload of White Fang, because Roman knows he can take on all of them if he feels like it
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    Wow, either the White Fang goons really sucks at fighting, or Roman was much stronger than he let got, because there must had been at least a hundred White Fangs in that warehouse! :o
     
    ElMariachi said:
    Wow, either the White Fang goons really sucks at fighting, or Roman was much stronger than he let got, because there must had been at least a hundred White Fangs in that warehouse! :o
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    I was talking about on the train where he's repeatedly insulting the White Fang mooks and calling them animals and such (except the guy driving the train, since he's keeping them all from dying horribly). Also the docks in Volume 1 where he does the same thing. He actually keeps away from the racism when he's speechifying in the warehouse; he just goes with his normal condescending smugness.

    That said though, Neo was with him there, and Neo alone was able to take out an entire airship full of Atlas military personnel, so between the two of them they could have killed everyone in that warehouse if they wanted if Sun and Blake weren't there.
     
    Leingod said:
    This is already known at this point, but yeah, Nora and Pyrrha were going to fight Sun and Neptune but it got cut for time. A swamp biome and an anti-grav biome would have been involved, Pyrrha and Nora would have knocked Sun into the swamp (which has a lot of water) to take advantage of Neptune's fear of water and double-team Sun (with Nora taunting Neptune and calling him a "water weenie"), and Sun would be yelling at Neptune to activate "Plan B," which Neptune would be against at first but would eventually have this dramatic sequence where he pulls a string on his jacket and it turns out he's just inflating water wings under his jacket. The arena would be dead silent until one person just started laughing uproariously and the camera would pan over to reveal Weiss just losing her sh*t and then everyone would follow suit, but Neptune wouldn't care and would go help his friend, but they'd lose when Pyrrha busted his water wings to take him out of the fight and then they'd take out Sun. Neptune getting over his fear of water by wearing water wings was going to be character development for him, showing that he'd taken Jaune's advice to heart and was starting to get over his obsession with looking cool all the time
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    The Ruse cruise never stops!
     
    Though there was also the lieutenant in the warehouse who might have been a game changer if things had spun into a chaotic mish mash of violence. But then again.... Neo was still there.
     
    Leingod said:
    [*]Sun gets really enthusiastic about his plan to find out whether the White Fang are the ones behind the robberies. Kerry says it's because he feels like it's finally "his turn" to be the smart guy with the plan. So apparently someone else on team SSSN is usually the "idea guy," even though Sun himself is the leader. I'm gonna guess Sage purely because of the name. Either that or Scarlet, just to differentiate Scarlet from the odd, rather dopey guy who voices him
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    I imagine it's more than one of them, maybe all three of the others, just normally not Sun.


    Explaining that Ruby sucks without Crescent Rose was that, "She's great... when she's got all her stuff together. But she's still learning..." I think she's an example of what TVTropes calls "sacrificed basic skill for awesome training"
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    I like to think that if she had the extra years in combat school, she'd have filled in that weakness (and been a very dominating presence in whatever class it was, effectively the Pyrrha of her year, considering she's already *this* good and able to keep up with hunters-in-training two years older than her).


    Because of her schedule, Jessica Nigri had to record all of Cinder's lines for Volume 3 in 2 hours. With that in mind, she did an absolutely amazing job
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    Now that's a pro!


    Velvet's fighting style is in fact a combination of her weapon and her Semblance. They say outright that her weapon is meant to complement her Semblance
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    I really like it, it strikes me that she's probably one of the very strongest students when fully prepared.

    I've said before that I think JNPR was even more tightly-knit than RWBY and saw themselves as sort of a family, especially Ren and Nora who seem to have only really had each other for a long time
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    Yea, RWBY are good friends and a fighting unit. JNPR actually have some fighting issues at times, but Jaune's only becoming an effective hunter because of Pyrrha making her dream, Pyrrha gained someone she can trust and open up to in him, Nora's an orphan, and Ren's quietly loving all of them.


    Zam said:
    Though there was also the lieutenant in the warehouse who might have been a game changer if things had spun into a chaotic mish mash of violence. But then again.... Neo was still there.
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    Right, the Lieutenant's probably around Torchwick's fighting level even before backup.

    I think it's more he's confident in his ability to BS out of any trouble his mouth may get him into. That, and he probably always has an escape plan.

    And yes, Neo ^^ Neopolitan is stronger than Torchwick, and could probably do the dodge-and-block everything with the Lieutenant like she did with Yang, or close enough.
     
    Q99 said:
    Now that's a pro!
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    She's actually mostly a cosplay celebrity and promotional model; if you look up her voice acting work, other than RWBY is as Super Sonico in the English dubs of a Super Sonico anime and video game, and other than that she's only done VA work in 3 commercials and 2 music videos. So with that in mind her performance as Cinder is even more impressive.

    Right, the Lieutenant's probably around Torchwick's fighting level even before backup.
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    I highly doubt that. He was getting his ass kicked by Weiss until he managed to grab her, exploiting two of Weiss's weaknesses, both of which were hinted at in the White Trailer.
    1. She's the frailest member of Team RWBY; all it took was one punch from that giant knight-thing to break through her Aura and leave a scar. Also she has few high-damage options that aren't big AoE attacks she can't use on a train
    2. She's not used to fighting people who are willing to fight "dirty" and break the "rules." You see it when the knight just punches her instead of trying to keep swinging its sword at her, and you see the same when the Lieutenant decides to just grab her by the head. Both times she didn't seem to even consider that her opponent would attack with something other than their weapon
    Plus Blake managed to kick his ass without having to use the added boost of an unexpected Dust upgrade like what allowed her to kick Roman's ass in record time. So at best the Lieutenant is maybe about the same level as any individual member of team RWBY.
     
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