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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • Renu said:
    I suppose that also was a problem then? I mean, why not?
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    How would they fight a conflict of the size implied if the Grimm are basically beating down the door with a sledgehammer? It wasn't exactly a ragtag band of guerrillas 'row row fighting the powah', because we know conventional armies were involved.
     
    How do we know they didn't?

    There are only four kingdoms. Four. Each of them has one city. One goddamn city. Does that sound like humanity is thriving to you? It sure as hell doesn't to me.
     
    Azecreth said:
    How would they fight a conflict of the size implied if the Grimm are basically beating down the door with a sledgehammer? It wasn't exactly a ragtag band of guerrillas 'row row fighting the powah', because we know conventional armies were involved.
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    Well, they had big armies with big guns I suppose. Also, given it's apparently easy to annoy Grimms, they didn't need to send their armies, they just had to send a small squad to do some atrocities and bim! Instant Grimm invasion!
     
    Renu said:
    Well, they had big armies with big guns I suppose. Also, given it's apparently easy to annoy Grimms, they didn't need to send their armies, they just had to send a small squad to do some atrocities and bim! Instant Grimm invasion!
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    Exactly. If any civil disturbance of note can prompt a major Grimm attack, how has human civilization survived, much less in the form in which we see it in RWBY?

    hellgodsrus said:
    How do we know they didn't?

    There are only four kingdoms. Four. Each of them has one city. One goddamn city. Does that sound like humanity is thriving to you? It sure as hell doesn't to me.
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    Well.....the high level of technology that exceeds our own in every area except space travel and possibly nuclear technology, the continued existence of a relatively capitalist society, the lack of notable resources shortages in spite of international trade apparently being so difficult which implies that each of the Kingdoms has effectively attained Autarky of some form or other, the lack of mention of any preceding kingdoms outside of that one in the video which was absorbed by Atlas. I mean, it's hardy our world, but if one is willing to overlook population density then they weren't exactly in decline as portrayed beforehand.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Exactly. If any civil disturbance of note can prompt a major Grimm attack, how has human civilization survived, much less in the form in which we see it in RWBY?
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    1) Aura
    2) Atlas' shady new robot
    3) Ozpin is fooling around again
    4) It's a Maiden conspiracy

    More seriously, there are four Maidens and there are only four cities left.
     
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    So what I'm taking from this is that there's a heavy swing in the show between 'the Grimm aren't a threat, why are they still a problem?' and 'Any potential civil disturbances, no matter how minor, could summon a Grimm attack. How has humanity survived?' Especially during, y'know, that hella massive war against the Color Cartel or whatever, or during the Faunus Rights Revolution. You can't tell me that some rule breaking, cheap shots, and one major incident at a tournament put out more negative mojo than an entire subspecies actively engaged in an armed struggle for independence.
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    Given we're seeing new and much bigger Grim types as well as numbers not before faced I think the 'why are Grim still a problem' thing has more or less been covered. As to the "civil disturbances" I feel dismembering someone seemingly for no reason and then killing someone on live TV being broadcast to the majority of the population and then having it be revealed the killed subject was a secret agent robot that could mean a lot of bad things coming from Atlas, are a bit more than "civil disturbances". I mean, Cinder had to work to set these up and she did it during a huge, popular event all about unity and friendship, this kind of brutality it the exact sort of thing that would whip people up into a frenzy, I mean just look at soccer and football riots, these aren't "small event" they're gruesome horror shows inspiring fear, paranoia and outrage because of what they are and what they represent, super people blowing off knee-caps for fun is not liable to make the average viewer very comfortable after all. Who's to say the Grim didn't attack during those wars? When was that ever said?

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    , the lack of mention of any preceding kingdoms outside of that one in the video which was absorbed by Atlas.
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    What about all the ruins, and Mountain Glenn?
     
    Azecreth said:
    Exactly. If any civil disturbance of note can prompt a major Grimm attack, how has human civilization survived, much less in the form in which we see it in RWBY?



    Well.....the high level of technology that exceeds our own in every area except space travel and possibly nuclear technology, the continued existence of a relatively capitalist society, the lack of notable resources shortages in spite of international trade apparently being so difficult which implies that each of the Kingdoms has effectively attained Autarky of some form or other, the lack of mention of any preceding kingdoms outside of that one in the video which was absorbed by Atlas. I mean, it's hardy our world, but if one is willing to overlook population density then they weren't exactly in decline as portrayed beforehand.
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    My thought is that it somehow ties in to Cinder's apparent ability to control Grimm. I'd bet that without her, this same level of negative emotions might be bad, but not nearly bad enough to attract the Goliaths, who have been watching and waiting for centuries, well before the most recent war.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Well.....the high level of technology that exceeds our own in every area except space travel and possibly nuclear technology
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    Magic space earth rocks.

    the continued existence of a relatively capitalist society, the lack of notable resources shortages in spite of international trade apparently being so difficult which implies that each of the Kingdoms has effectively attained Autarky of some form or other
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    Magic earth rocks. Also, we've actually only seen fairly simple foodstuffs, though in high quantities, which given the magic earth rocks may be moulded protein or some other scifi staple rather than, well, genuine food.

    the lack of mention of any preceding kingdoms outside of that one in the video which was absorbed by Atlas.
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    The ruins, both modern and old, the fact that Ozpin and Jimmy and co mentioned that history books would have to be changed if the truth about the Maidens were known...there's plenty of clues that history as the populace knows it isn't quite what happened. Moreover, if (as some of the episodes have suggested) there's a more malevolent intelligence guiding the Grimm, maybe they've been holding off for a bit.
     
    The title of next episode is "Battle of Beacon". That's "Beacon", not "Bacon". One is in a lighthouse, or is a school in this case, the other is delicious.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    and they create an android with a soul out of ferrous metals? I'm surprised the magnet that was attached to Penny's head didn't short out whatever systems are in her head.
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    And why would penny being ferro magnetic in any way influence whether her brain / vital systems are intrinsically vulnerable to magnetism?

    Heck, Penny weathered Pyra's polarity surge just fine before getting garroted by her own weapons.

    It's entirely possible to protect electronics from electromagnetic interference severe enough that it would start to affect your squishy meat brain.

    In fact, electronics aren't even that vulnerable to magnetism. That's an exaggeration perpetuated by the use of magnets to erase floppy discs. Which people neglect to mention are very strong magnets influencing a material specifically designed to be influenced by magnetism.

    I've left a thumb drive, and my phone, in a pocket full of neodymium magnets on multiple occasions with no ill effect.
     
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    [Discussion] Volume 3, Chapter 10: Battle of Beacon
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    • Well, that was a thing. In no particular order:
    That split was diagonal.
    And Penny's corpse just got crushed by Burd.
    Ruby used Sword! It wasn't very effective.
    Named students used Combo! It was super effective! Burd fainted.
    Ironwood's weapon? Pimp hand+sidearm.
    Torchwick used Chekovs Gun, insta-kills Ironwood. And also likely sparked war between Vale and Atlas, as Mercury is recording it.
    Oh, whats wrong Emm, second thoughts? Its an innocent cinnamon roll to late for that.
    Adam/Blake ship confirmed! And is just as horrifying as imagined.
    Ruby-vs-Neo?!
    O hai Gregory!
    Oh god, its happening. Its fucking happening!
    PHYRRA FALL-VS-CINDER FALL!
    In conclusion: AHHHHHHHHH!
     
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    • Holy fuck.

    So this pretty much validates every post-apocalyptic/Peggy Sue RWBY fic out there were Beacon gets utterly trashed.

    The episode begins with Weiss and Blake down at Vytal Festival fairgrounds in shock as the Grimm rampage. They call up Yang, who reports that the White Fang are invading. Blake's in shock, but manages to steel herself. The rocket lockers make a reappearance as Blake fetches her weapon, and the two head off to fight.

    Back in the arena proper, Ruby and Pyrrha are still shellshocked as the giant Nevermore threatens to pierce the shield. Jaune shows a little of his hardwon maturity and tries to snap his partner out of it, but she's still unresponsive when the Grimm finally breaks through. But Ruby saves the day, driving back the Nevermore with Penny's last sword--looks like she learned a little bit of swordfighting from Qrow too. Ruby stares down the beast... which is promptly smashed by everyone's rocket lockers--all the teams we've seen in the tournament rally to easily dispatch the beast. Pyrrha begs forgiveness from Ruby, but Jaune continues to be a good leader and argues that this is none of their fault--it's the mastermind's (who they don't know is Cinder).

    A wave of Grimm prepares to descend upon the arena: a new breed, Gryphons. But just as they get ready to throw down and defend the arena, Port and Oobleck take over, begging the students to put their lives--their future--first for now.

    At the arena's landing pads, the White Fan are bringing in Grimm to attack. Ironwood shows off a little of his combat prowess and easily dispatches a Mega Beowolf of sorts--the armored Beowolf we saw in the teaser--he also shows off his weapon, a simple silver handgun. A nice remix of the Atlesian leitmotif kicks in here; despite his mistakes, Ironwood is still very much a badass. The teams catch up, and he gives them an ultimatum: defend the city and the school, or save themselves. Meanwhile, he's got a ship to take back, and takes off in his own Bullhead. The students board a vessel and prepare to defend the city.

    But it's not to be: Roman uses Neo's scroll to hook up his airship to Cinder's virus--and at long last, the robot army turns on its creators. Ironwood's ship is shot down from the inside by his own bodyguard. Ruby's horrified, and leaps from the students' ship back to the arena--she activates her rocket locker, and propels herself to Roman's airship since Ironwood can't.

    Meanwhile, things are going to pot at Beacon. Blake and Weiss tear through the White Fang and Grimm mooks, but are eventually forced to split up--too much is happening. Blake goes off to chase a Mega Beowolf... and to her horror, runs into Adam. Who greets her with a rather creepy, "Hello, my darling."

    The students from the arena have landed and are fighting to save the school. Ozpin watches over the entire situation from his office. And smirking over it all from the rooftops is Team Cinder, who continue to broadcast the chaos. After all, the best is yet to come...



    From within a mountain, it emerges--the largest, most powerful Grimm we've seen yet: a Dragon, who oozes darkness, who literally spreads lesser Grimm like a plague. Ozpin and Glynda seem horrified in advance; they seem to know of its existence beforehand.

    It seems Ozpin has one last card to play: he leaves his office, to the courtyard where the students are gathered... and gives Pyrrha a look.

    EDIT: Some miscellaneous thoughts beyond the plot--the music is lovely and epic. We get an instrumental of "When It Falls" in the beginning as the invasion begins, some Atlesian leitmotifs, and lots of incidental pieces I need to listen to again. Lots of dramatic shots, especially the money shot of the teams standing over the Nevermore. And Pyrrha even smiles like a dork when she gets to fight beside her team to defend the school... right before Ozpin shows up.

    The quality jump of this season really cannot be understated.
     
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    Welp, almost time for chapter 10, I'm sleepy so this may not be the best recap ever, apologies in advance.
    It took me four minutes to get the site working XD Its 16 minutes with no trailer, woah.

    Robots are shooting into the air, Grim are swarming and carrying people off, and Blake and Weiss are not killing Grim, Yang worries for Ruby.

    Oh rocket lockers, that's why they weren't fighting.

    The Nevermore breaks in Jaune's trying to get a broken Pyrrha to move and just before it strikes Ruby stabs it with one of Penny's swords like a super badass!

    Aw Nevermore went out like a punk, a few dozen rocket lockers to that back and that's it? Cool rallying scene though. with everyone calmly getting their weapons.

    Arslan!

    Oh, its not dead, just pissed. Double decapitation with Arslan and Nora assist!

    Ruby and Pyrrha sound seconds away from breaking down into tears but stay firm, Jauen deduced it was the person on the microphone and Ruby already knew it wasn't Pyrrha's fault. Wow, vengeance will be brought down, maybe.

    New Grim griffons!

    The professors/Doctors send the kids away, they seem to think they might die if they stay.

    Stop fleeing you cowards! Half of you are students! XD

    The militaries is running the evac, which is surprisingly orderly, lots of sad faces,no shock.

    Here's the WF Grim!

    Ironwood has an awkward run but a badass roar! And blocking arm and his gun shoots explosions, small ones, but awesome ones. Dead execution style, but he is a headmaster. Ironwood gicves his speech, Ruby looks stunned, the kids run to find a ship to Beacon.

    Roman doesn't know what buttons do but loves pressing them anyway XD Neo best assistant/partner ever. Cinder just infected the ship and the robots! Ironwood's ship explodes due to backstabbing machines! Ruby can control her movements mid air! Holy crap she rode a rocket-locker to Roman's airship! Roman seems to know things are about to get less fun and sends Neo after the intruder.

    Weiss and Blake slam around robots and WF, back to back badass and assists from Weiss, new Paladin model and its gone rogue! Now there's an even bigger Beowolf!

    Adam said darling, well, well, this just got creepy/awkward.

    Cinder and her minions are watching I think Merc is taping it and Emerald seems guilty. Merc looks crazy, Emerald, guilty.

    Something BIG is coming.

    Dragon Grim from inside a mountain so strong it makes the grounds shake for miles and it spawns Grim from ooze!

    Ozpin, slowly, goes to downstairs and Pyrrha goes to him followed by Jaune, Cinder watches, waiting. Cliffhanger, so many cliffhangers!
     
    OH GOD ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING WE COULD REBUILD PENNY WHAT ABOUT NOW HER BODY IS GONE FOREVER?

    In all seriousness, damn that episode was scary-good.
     
    Zam said:
    Dragon Grim from inside a mountain so strong it makes the grounds shake for miles and it spawns Grim from ooze!
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    Haven't seen the episode yet but it sounds like this bad boy:

    Meet Ancalagon the Black, greatest of all winged dragons bred by Morgoth during the First Age, and the largest dragon to have ever lived.
    And yes, those are mountains he's gripping and the little specks flying towards him are apparently the Giant Eagles that Gandalf pals around with.

    Apparently when he was killed, his bulk falling from the sky was so massive, it shattered a mountain range kicking off a volcanic chain reaction that wiped out a good chunk of Middle Earth
     
    jwolfe_beta said:
    Haven't seen the episode yet but it sounds like this bad boy:

    Meet Ancalagon the Black, greatest of all winged dragons bred by Morgoth during the First Age, and the largest dragon to have ever lived.
    And yes, those are mountains he's gripping and the little specks flying towards him are apparently the Giant Eagles that Gandalf pals around with.

    Apparently when he was killed, his bulk falling from the sky was so massive, it shattered a mountain range kicking off a volcanic chain reaction that wiped out a good chunk of Middle Earth
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    Not quite so huge, but probably Smaug sized.
     
    That was incredible. This episode is what the Breach should have been!
    New Grimm: Griffon, ?Alpha? Beowolf, FUCKING MOUNTAIN DRAGON THAT SPAWNS OTHER GRIMM WTF.

    No Jaune-wank thank god, Pyrrha is saved by Ruby and everyone helping together. Ruby picked up Penny's sword... ow, my heart... Oh no Port and Oobleck are making a last stand so people can evac ;_;. And they weren't there when Ruby ran back to the arena TT_TT.

    Velvet took an action pose of Ruby when she unfolded her scythe. I think we're gonna see what's in the box soon.

    I honestly thought Torchwick was going to use the Neo's scroll like an iPod, but hacking the robots works too.

    Ironwood tries to stop Torchwick but the hacked robots break his airship. Ruby finally starts to become a true hero, taking up his mission to do what needs to be done. By launching herself with a rocket locker, because yes. Another a badass moment for her, feel really bad for Ironwood though he just can't get a break. Pretty good showing with his pistol and totally-a-robot-arm.

    Ruby vs Neo next ep!!!! Unless she just tosses her off the airship, that could happen too. Rematch Ruby vs Torchwick for sure though.

    HOLY SHIT, Weiss OP against mooks plz nerf. Blake seems to be having a much harder time, taking a few hits. They split up to save two groups of civilians. Weiss is gonna take on a non-prototype Paladin by herself, dear god. Blake has to deal with an Alpha Beowulf and ADAM. Adam is a creepy fuck btw, sounds very possessive of Blake and murders a guy on screen. Hope the Beowulf eats him. But no, he probably has a grimm-control whistle or something from Cinder. This sadist has stained the WF reputation so far beyond redemption. I wouldn't be surprised if future seasons showed heavier discrimination against faunus.

    Cinder is streaming the show. She also speaks on camera and walks into the video, so I guess she did only care about instigating enough panic to start off the attack. She's public enemy #1 after this. Mercury is more psychotic than Neo at this point, he's grinning like a maniac as he records. Emerald seems to be a little more somber, though not actually empathetic for the people dying. Perhaps concerned about what this means for her future? There's no chance turning back now.

    Looks like Ozzy wants Pyrrha to get in the fucking Maiden soul-tank. At least she looks mentally prepared this time. Unfortunately Cinder is watching. Jaune followed her to Ozpin, maybe he can delay Cinder until the transfer completes. He's not strong enough to stop her with force though, he'd have to lead her the wrong way or something.
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    Wait a minute where the fuck is Yang?
     
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    MinorGryph said:
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    Wait a minute where the fuck is Yang?
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    At the Beacon docks, presumably. After all the epic conflict against mooks in this episode, next week will probably feature a lot more duels: Blake and Adam, Ruby and Roman/Neo, Yang and whatever she ran into, etc. I'm even betting we might see Cinder fight--maybe even against Ozpin or a Maiden Pyrrha!
     
    jwolfe_beta said:
    Haven't seen the episode yet but it sounds like this bad boy:

    Meet Ancalagon the Black, greatest of all winged dragons bred by Morgoth during the First Age, and the largest dragon to have ever lived.
    And yes, those are mountains he's gripping and the little specks flying towards him are apparently the Giant Eagles that Gandalf pals around with.

    Apparently when he was killed, his bulk falling from the sky was so massive, it shattered a mountain range kicking off a volcanic chain reaction that wiped out a good chunk of Middle Earth
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    Much as I love Ancalagon and wish Tolkien wrote more with him rather than just three fucking lines, come on mate, the dragon wasn't quite Ancalagon size, but it was (I'd say) a tad bigger than movie Smaug.
     
    jwolfe_beta said:
    Haven't seen the episode yet but it sounds like this bad boy:

    Meet Ancalagon the Black, greatest of all winged dragons bred by Morgoth during the First Age, and the largest dragon to have ever lived.
    And yes, those are mountains he's gripping and the little specks flying towards him are apparently the Giant Eagles that Gandalf pals around with.

    Apparently when he was killed, his bulk falling from the sky was so massive, it shattered a mountain range kicking off a volcanic chain reaction that wiped out a good chunk of Middle Earth
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    I have seen that comparison made, I don't think this Grim dragon is quite that large, it slept inside one seemingly fairly large mountain and I do mean inside it tore its way out like it was hatching, also is spawns Grim.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    OH GOD ALL YOU PEOPLE SAYING WE COULD REBUILD PENNY WHAT ABOUT NOW HER BODY IS GONE FOREVER?
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    Yeah, ouch. On the other hand that could simply be that they stopped rendering her at that point for obvious dramatic reasons, rather than smashing her to nothing. Also, maybe she backs up her soul to the cloud? :cool:

    On the other hand it's also possible that this was the 'shit gets serious' character death.

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    So yep, Cinder is using this as a diversion to crack the Academy while hoping for a side of incriminating Atlas in the Public Eye. Just burning Vale to the ground is probably fine too.

    While I don't like that Neo was able to take out the entire crew of Torchwood's flagship on her lonesome. Y'know, the LINCHPIN! of Vales defense. I do appreciate that they needed direct physical access to Atlas' military network to hack the robots.

    If they were going to do it from anywhere, a control side terminal would be the most plausible place to find an actual vulnerability. Especially with the crew hurrying to prep as many knights as possible, a lot of the passwords and authorizations would already be granted.

    Albeit I don't think RT thought about in that much detail.
     
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