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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Uh, guys? Anybody remember the screenshot that makes the continents look like dragons? I think this episode gave a reason for it. Also, Mr. OMFG-THAT"S BIG!Dragon Grimm is very big, but lacks armor. What if it's a mook dragon Grimm? If so, how big are the Alpha dragons.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Exactly. If any civil disturbance of note can prompt a major Grimm attack, how has human civilization survived, much less in the form in which we see it in RWBY?
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    Two things that come to mind :

    1. This wasn't an ordinary atrocity, or really an atrocity, which attracted the grim. It was a chronic ailment rather than an acute trauma. We're told (RT has some trouble with show don't tell exacerbated by the limitations of a budget and 3D animation) that tensions has been ratcheting up in Vale for months. First you had Torchwick, then the Whitefang's failed attack, then something that looks suspiciously like a military occupation. Which may have drawn Grimm and kept them in the area as part of a buildup.

    Though this begs why the White Fang and Vonus protests don't cause a spike in Grimm activity.

    2. Remember that the oldest, and incidentally the most powerful, Grim possess at least some animal cunning. And it takes centuries of surviving culls by hunters and huntresses for them to grow to that size and power. Even in the worst of past upheavals the most powerful Grim would simply decline to join in an assault where their death was likely in face of intact defenses and a seasoned standing army on a war footing.

    Cinder just threw the Kingdom's defenses into disarray, turned their weapons against them, and provided the grim with allies of convenience. The strongest grim are thus willing to enter the fray.
     
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    So I'm a sponsor now, time for some stream of consciousness thoughts...

    Hold up, why did Blake wait until after her emotional conversation with Yang to rocket locker her gear when there are Grimm running around not ten feet away? I would have thought getting her gear would be higher on her priority list.

    ... Fair's fair though, rocket lockers just do not stop being cool. Such a perfect confluence of practicality and coolness.

    This evacuation is remarkably orderly considering all the hysteria earlier. I guess when you live in a world where emotional anguish summons giant monsters people learn to shove it aside long enough to follow evacuation signs.

    Huh. Ironwood is about as badass as I expected, but remarkably understated. I was expecting more sweet cyberarm technowizardry, but I can work with this.

    You know, I think this is the first time a bunch of robot mooks getting taken over has actually felt threatening. Credit to Rooster Teeth, they did a good job of making clear the Atlasbots aren't just cannon fodder. Although apparently their aim still sucks when aiming at protagonists.

    oh shit ironwood

    Huh, somebody noticed how OP Weiss is in Grimm Eclipse I guess. Interesting that she's destroying Atlasbots while Blake was fighting the White Fang though. Clearly both of them are fine with fighting their own.

    cinder you've dropped an army of faunus terrorists, an army of grimm and an army of subverted killer robots on the same city, you can stop ominously hinting about even worse things. it's okay, we're taking you seriously.

    holy fucking shit it's a dragon we're all-

    holy fucking shit it's a dragon that spawns more grimm we're all fucked

    ... I am reminded of an MLP fic though, where a piece of the landscape turns out to be a giant sleeping dragon and, upon being questioned about this, Luna remarks "Indeed, as far as I know, 'tis nothing but dragons all the way down."

    EDIT: This is why RWBY built up so many characters, isn't it? So Rooster Teeth could have plenty of people we care about to kill off when shit gets real!
     
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    Imrix said:
    EDIT: This is why RWBY built up so many characters, isn't it? So Rooster Teeth could have plenty of people we care about to kill off when shit gets real!
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    Spend three volumes building up a kingdom just to tear it down at the end and move on to the next one? Ten planned seasons at the start, which means three kingdoms in nine volumes and one left for the grand climax, leaving a small nucleus of human specimen in Vacuou to rebuild human civilization when its all over.

    I can dig it.
     
    Okay penny maybe is not crushed like others have said she might have been blown away when the nevermore broke through just like Pyrrha was but....Yeah.
    Can I just say how much I love the teachers? Because those guys are awesome in the extreme.
    Weaponized lockers truly we are seeing the next stage in weapons. Love the fact the students who are TOLD they can run away still chose to fight and defend people also Velvet is best Bunny.
    Hopefully Ironwood is still alive that man is far too awesome to be taken out like that I dont mind hurt but hopeful still alive.
    Ruby vs Neo now that is going to be awesome and Neo is still an Evil cutie.
    Pyrrha ...I hope this doesnt go like I think it does I REALLY hope it doesnt come on Jaune be the Hero not the one you want to be but the one Pyrrha NEEDS.
    Dragons huh? I wonder how OLD that thing is that it can spawn grim...or is it that its ALWAYS been the source of grim that these things dot remnant and are the reason why the world is like this? A War maybe? The reason the moon is destroyed? I wonder.
    I think based on other Rooster Teeth stuff Geoff will Voice Penny's dad I think he can pull off the whole thing with more emotion then others can.
    What is cinder's end goal? She wants this all recorded and its clear she is probably after the Fall powers but what happens next? and Who is supplying her with the Queen program? So many unanswered questions.

    Also I wonder if Cinder FALL is a taunt or not? When I first saw it I was like ok thematic name but earlier someone posted Pyrrha Fall vs Cinder Fall and I was like you know I wonder.

    I cant Wait.
     
    A brief bit from SB as I realized something:
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    I just remembered that Grimm Eclipse is canon, and that RWBY went into an abandonded Dust mine in Mountain Glenn, with all of the mutated Grimm... Who knows how close they were to that thing?
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    mistakenot said:
    Come to think of it, there were earthquakes in Mountain Glen during the Grimm Eclipse level, too...
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    Xero Key said:
    Like with the Goliaths, the Grimm knew the time was coming. Those quakes were the pre-wake up turns.
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    On the subject of the MASSIVE YOU KNOW WHAT:

    While I see the comparison to Ancalagon and it is valid, especially in the Grimm's design, I think it fits Smaug more, thematically. A lone dragon, that is clearly known and feared- see Qrow, Glynda and Ozpin's reactions -but is something of a legend in modern times. This dragon, in a time of danger and despair as the enemies of humanity march- Grimm on Vale, the Goblins on everyone -breaks out of a Lone(ly) Mountain. And then proceeds to lay waste to a city of Man, with nothing able to stop it.

    Which makes one wonder who is the Bard and Black Arrow to Dragon!Grimm's Smaug. Pyrrha and (half of) Fall Maiden powers?
     
    According to one of the animators, Ironwood throwing that Grimm should have been impossible. The rigs they use for animation don't support that.
     
    Cinder News Network: Breaking News! Schnee Assaults Faunus!


    (higher quality version)

    Someone's been leveling up Nova and Pierce. :p


    It occurs to me that the mechs are supposed to be piloted. Was the one on a rampage autonomous, or was there a soldier trapped inside?

    revanninja said:
    Okay penny maybe is not crushed like others have said she might have been blown away when the nevermore broke through just like Pyrrha was but....Yeah.
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    Regarding Penny's fate:

    It looks like Penny's parts were actually blown away, not crushed. In the second image, we also see the sword Ruby later picks up. (Now I'm imagining Penny's severed head landing in Ruby's lap.)




    Long story short, even if Penny isn't backed up to the cloud, I think she's still recoverable.

    Mook said:
    Actually its heavily hinted that Emerald is really regretting her life choices right about now and might even attempt to turn away from the Dark Side.
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    Emerald: *watching the Grimm and White Fang devour Beacon* It's almost sad...



    So, redemption flag, or death flag? My gut tells me it's setting Emerald up to die, giving her a token of sympathy to make her death more meaningful, but a heel-face turn would also be interesting.
     
    Before the last two episodes, I'd have said redemption foreshadowing. With Penny and Ironwood both dead, Ooblek and Port probably dead from We'll Hold Them Syndrome and the tone going rapidly south, I suspect Emerald will either be executed by Cinder to make a point, or attempt to defect and be killed in the crossfire.
     
    Mook said:
    Actually its heavily hinted that Emerald is really regretting her life choices right about now and might even attempt to turn away from the Dark Side.
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    The only way she'd even slightly redeem herself is by killing Cinder. There is no coming back from what happened in this episode, and I felt there was a distinct lack of empathy in her comments about the slaughter.

    "It's almost sad." are words of contempt, not regret.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    The only way she'd even slightly redeem herself is by killing Cinder. There is no coming back from what happened in this episode, and I felt there was a distinct lack of empathy in her comments about the slaughter.

    "It's almost sad." are words of contempt, not regret.
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    I don't know, she seemed kind of miserable or even beaten down rather than haughty to me, but that's just my take.
     
    Guys, relax, Penny is actually the new Twister champion of Remnant! See!
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Or the final model is autonomous or else, y'know, it has provision for both :rolleyes:
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    Agreed,
    I mean, I think it makes sense that the mechs can be both piloted and act autonomously, we know from the Knights and Spider Droid that its possible so installing such a thing in the Paladins for if the pilot is knocked out or they're aren't enough pilots or they just need it on and shooting really fast makes perfect sense to me
     
    Pretty sure that thing had to be Remote Controlled, or the Atlesian Arms manufactures are yet to discover the existence of a manual override system.
     
    Zam said:
    I don't know, she seemed kind of miserable or even beaten down rather than haughty to me, but that's just my take.
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    Indeed. Something to keep in mind is that Emerald is Cinder's thief and saboteur, while Mercury is the thug and assassin. Even Tukson was Mercury's kill. Penny is the first time Emerald is directly responsible for an individual's death, and even then that can be rationalized as Pyrrha's fault and/or Penny not really being alive. The fall of Vale is the first time Emerald is really facing the consequences of her actions and of her blind adoration and dedication to Cinder.

    I'd definitely lean toward that being a redemption flag, but an equally compelling story would be her trying and failing redemption. True redemption is a rare and special thing after all.
     
    My stance on the Paladins is that they are Autos but can be piloted but due to the nature of well everything they were launched in Auto mode for most of them.

    I think Emerald will be redeemed because she actually acts like this is a tragedy. Notice Mercury is filming with a grin he loves this and he has no real issues with anything yet Emerald does. It makes me wonder if we will see a I dont harm innocent people mentality from her. All her actions have been aimed at people who are either criminals or Hunters and if Emerald drinks Cinders Koolaid she may see hunters as being unknowing parts of the problem. But this is hurting normal people who were just living their lives and the fact she feels for this makes me wonder.
     
    Renewal said:
    Indeed. Something to keep in mind is that Emerald is Cinder's thief and saboteur, while Mercury is the thug and assassin. Even Tukson was Mercury's kill. Penny is the first time Emerald is directly responsible for an individual's death, and even then that can be rationalized as Pyrrha's fault and/or Penny not really being alive. The fall of Vale is the first time Emerald is really facing the consequences of her actions and of her blind adoration and dedication to Cinder.

    I'd definitely lean toward that being a redemption flag, but an equally compelling story would be her trying and failing redemption. True redemption is a rare and special thing after all.
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    I pretty much agree with everything you're saying here,though I do feel she was closely involved in Amber's semi-death, still this is all on a totally different scale than what Emerald seems to be used to. As you said, she was a thief when Cinder found her, probably one who never saw or cared about the relatively minor damage she did by nicking stuff from stores and even killing people like Amber or Tukson could be rationalised, same for Pyrrha and Penny's situation, she's... disconnected from it, she helped but she didn't do it and the sheer scale of this is so much larger than she might have imagined.

    Comparatively Mercury was raised by and seemingly to be an Assassin in what may be near total isolation by someone who was potentially abusive, when all that is taken into consideration him being essentially psychotic makes perfect sense.

    Agreed on the redemption death thing, nice reference too :)
     
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    revanninja said:
    My stance on the Paladins is that they are Autos but can be piloted but due to the nature of well everything they were launched in Auto mode for most of them.

    I think Emerald will be redeemed because she actually acts like this is a tragedy. Notice Mercury is filming with a grin he loves this and he has no real issues with anything yet Emerald does. It makes me wonder if we will see a I dont harm innocent people mentality from her. All her actions have been aimed at people who are either criminals or Hunters and if Emerald drinks Cinders Koolaid she may see hunters as being unknowing parts of the problem. But this is hurting normal people who were just living their lives and the fact she feels for this makes me wonder.
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    Not so sure about that. Emerald was fleecing innocent people without any hint of guilt for quite some time; see when she robs the old guy after he was nice enough to give her directions. Also keep in mind how she detested RWBY despite (no, actually because) they were nothing but nice to her. Emerald might not be genocidal and revel in destruction like her "team" is shaping up to be, but she's still not exactly empathetic.
     
    Leingod said:
    Not so sure about that. Emerald was fleecing innocent people without any hint of guilt for quite some time; see when she robs the old guy after he was nice enough to give her directions. Also keep in mind how she detested RWBY despite (no, actually because) they were nothing but nice to her. Emerald might not be genocidal and revel in destruction like her "team" is shaping up to be, but she's still not exactly empathetic.
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    While I'm not getting 'redemption' vibes from Emerald. Part of the reason Ruby would piss her off being all nice all the way down is that it spits in the face of how she justified what she did to survive on the streets.

    Lets be honest. Emerald has employable talents in this world. She didn't have to become a thief anymore than mercury had to become an assassin.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    While I'm not getting 'redemption' vibes from Emerald. Part of the reason Ruby would piss her off being all nice all the way down is that it spits in the face of how she justified what she did to survive on the streets.

    Lets be honest. Emerald has employable talents in this world. She didn't have to become a thief anymore than mercury had to become an assassin.
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    By the same token if that's what you known what you're familiar with and grew up seeing, being taught and doing its obscenely hard to get out of that and given Cinder's "You'll never go hungry again" thing I imagine Emerald may not have had the happiest early life which could be another reason she dislikes RWBY, projected jealousy at people who seem happy and at peace with a world she's never felt apart of.
     
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