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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • And Ruby once more goes off on her own to solve everything. On one hand I want her to lose-badly-and get hit by a clue-by-four that she needs to stop trying to do everything herself. Every time she tries, she's failed miserably and has to be bailed out by someone else. On the other, a loss could mean death, though admittedly since the show is titled after her I doubt she'll actually die or be permanently injured.

    Yang didn't show up except for Blake making a call, so we don't know what she's up to right now. I'm not sure if I want her to show up to save Ruby, party crash the fight between Blake and Adam, initiate a rematch with Mercury or even go all Dovahkiin on the giant Grimm dragon's ass (unlikely but I can hope).

    I'd also like to see a brief moment of Junior, his gang and the twins fighting off Grimm hordes.
     
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    Leingod said:
    Not so sure about that. Emerald was fleecing innocent people without any hint of guilt for quite some time; see when she robs the old guy after he was nice enough to give her directions. Also keep in mind how she detested RWBY despite (no, actually because) they were nothing but nice to her. Emerald might not be genocidal and revel in destruction like her "team" is shaping up to be, but she's still not exactly empathetic.
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    To be honest stealing is often thought of as a harmless crime by criminals. Clearly I can steal their money which they have a lot of and I have little of I am not hurting them just annoying them is the thought process.
    Stealing in NO WAY equals killing someone or being part of it. Its a level of harm and not one that makes sense to a normal person. To emerald stealing isnt hurting anyone not really is most likely her mindset.

    As for Team RWBY and all that keep in mind Emerald was probably ordered by Cinder to be friendly and is clearly not acting like herself and as ANYONE in customer relations can tell you that gets OLD fast.
    Also keep in mind Cinder clearly has been selling Hunters and the Schools are an issue we know Emerald is buying Cinder's ideals at least a little now place yourself in a school filled with potential enemies where one misstep can end the whole thing and then be buddies with a group who has unknowingly gotten in your way. And have them be super nice to you watch how annoyed you will get over it.

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    While I'm not getting 'redemption' vibes from Emerald. Part of the reason Ruby would piss her off being all nice all the way down is that it spits in the face of how she justified what she did to survive on the streets.

    Lets be honest. Emerald has employable talents in this world. She didn't have to become a thief anymore than mercury had to become an assassin.
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    If she has a rap sheet or not hard to tell how true or not that is. She has skills to be sure ones that can make her be employed but she also clearly has a criminal background and one we dont know how big it is. She maybe looking at a long jail time from enough thefts.

    Understand we arent talking about a normal person we are talking about someone who has broken the law and more then likely done so to stay alive. She is going to come with skewed ideas of right and wrong. I do believe TH is right and part of her issue with RWBY is they are Happy and they havent, at least as far as she knows, broken the law to do it.

    Emerald's redemption may not be a turn around and now I am a warrior of justice! but rather I cant do this I cant knowingly slaughter people who have done nothing wrong just to make a point on the kingdoms.

    Someone said Redemption isnt easy they are right but redemption isnt there or not its a ROAD and all it takes is one single step.
     
    Man Atlas, improve your computer security. All the robots got subverted because one airship did? I mean any robots on the ship I could see...

    Also if Ironwood is actually dead dead then I actually kind of hope that Ozpin dies too this season. I prefer having at least one person around willing to argue for a different way of doing things around him.
     
    blast flame said:
    Man Atlas, improve your computer security. All the robots got subverted because one airship did? I mean any robots on the ship I could see...

    Also if Ironwood is actually dead dead then I actually kind of hope that Ozpin dies too this season. I prefer having at least one person around willing to argue for a different way of doing things around him.
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    To be fair, the airships are the heart of the Atlesian fleet and akin to a command ship. It's the most sensible place that the robots could be subverted from.

    And I highly doubt Ironwood's dead. The robots are decently tough but they're still shown as vastly inferior to a Hunter. At worst Ironwood's unconscious and falling out of the sky, which is still bad, but far from lethal for a major character.
     
    Penny abruptly going from bisected to sliced into several pieces was annoying. If they wanted her to be that badly damaged then it might have been an idea to show it from the get go instead of suddenly retconning in different injuries. Mostly though this was an awesome episode and is making me really really want to see Mercury beaten into a whimpering lump of meat.
     
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    Also if Ironwood is actually dead dead then I actually kind of hope that Ozpin dies too this season. I prefer having at least one person around willing to argue for a different way of doing things around him.
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    Poor Ironwood just can't catch a break.

    But I'm sure the General survived. Someone pointed out that shots were still being fired inside Ironwood's shuttle even as it was falling out of the sky. They sounded like the sharper bark of Ironwood's pistol than the softer pew-pew of the Atlesian Knights, which would suggest Ironwood's fighting back.

    If newly-enrolled Beacon students are expected to come up with a landing strategy on the fly, I'm sure the headmaster of Atlas Academy can escape a crashing VTOL. At most, maybe he'll get another cyborg limb out of this.
     
    Aura, son. Unless I see a body (with proof that it isn't an illusion) then the dead character is still alive. :p
     
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    mistakenot said:
    Poor Ironwood just can't catch a break.

    But I'm sure the General survived. Someone pointed out that shots were still being fired inside Ironwood's shuttle even as it was falling out of the sky. They sounded like the sharper bark of Ironwood's pistol than the softer pew-pew of the Atlesian Knights, which would suggest Ironwood's fighting back.

    If newly-enrolled Beacon students are expected to come up with a landing strategy on the fly, I'm sure the headmaster of Atlas Academy can escape a crashing VTOL. At most, maybe he'll get another cyborg limb out of this.
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    <_<
    >_>

    The only landing strategy you need.
     
    revanninja said:
    If she has a rap sheet or not hard to tell how true or not that is. She has skills to be sure ones that can make her be employed but she also clearly has a criminal background and one we dont know how big it is. She maybe looking at a long jail time from enough thefts.
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    Counterpoint: Blake was a literal terrorist before she turned her coat. I'm pretty sure the people of Remnant aren't in a position to be choosy if someone with Emerald's obvious talents says she wants to fight the good fight.
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    To be fair, the airships are the heart of the Atlesian fleet and akin to a command ship. It's the most sensible place that the robots could be subverted from.
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    Additionally, you have to think in terms of military necessity. Digital security is a thing you invest in when you expect to fight people who will employ electronic warfare, so I suspect Atlesian infowar is fairly primitive because the Grimm's idea of computer hacking involves actual claws. Atlas could squeeze better infowar defenses into their ships, or they could use the resources and shipboard space that would go into that, and spend it on bigger guns.
     
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    Cinder's hacking tech is getting more and more ridiculous every episode. This would have broken my suspension of disbelief already if I wasn't so distracted by the bright lights, awesome music and great fighting scenes.

    And after this episode Ironwood jumped from one of my least favorite characters in the show to somewhere above the beacon teachers. He had some very nice moments in both this episode and the last one, and that brief fight scene was really good, too.
     
    Imrix said:
    Counterpoint: Blake was a literal terrorist before she turned her coat. I'm pretty sure the people of Remnant aren't in a position to be choosy if someone with Emerald's obvious talents says she wants to fight the good fight.
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    As far as we know Blake LIED about her past and only an extremely SMALL amount of people know about white fang since we know people like Jaune got in via forged papers its most likely Blake did as well she just has the combat skills to back it up unlike Jaune. Also Blake said she got out when White Fang really started getting violent the train job was most likely the last straw.
    We dont have enough info on when white fang did the things it did and when Blake left, I have heard but cant confirm that Blake Trailer is a full year before episode 1.

    And Also to be clear since you seem to be confused this isnt about Emerald fighting its about her getting employed. If she wanted to fight she would still have some issues but it can be ironed out with the intel she can provide on cinder's group but what I was responding to and talking about was as a thief Emerald most likely has a rap sheet with the police which would make getting a job MUCH harder.

    Considering Cinder and her group plus Jaune and Blake I dont think schools look too closely at student info so long as they are able to fight and willing to fight grim that is good enough for them. I wouldnt be surprised if there is a discreet second chance policy for people like Blake put into place so their skills and abilities dont go to waste.

    And also Parallel here this might be Emerald's Blake Trailer turning point.
     
    Anzer'ke said:
    We aren't. What are you talking about?
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    Well, to use an example, you

    Anzer'ke said:
    Penny abruptly going from bisected to sliced into several pieces was annoying. If they wanted her to be that badly damaged then it might have been an idea to show it from the get go instead of suddenly retconning in different injuries. Mostly though this was an awesome episode and is making me really really want to see Mercury beaten into a whimpering lump of meat.
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    about 40 minutes ago.
     
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    Itaywex said:
    Cinder's hacking tech is getting more and more ridiculous every episode. This would have broken my suspension of disbelief already if I wasn't so distracted by the bright lights, awesome music and great fighting scenes.

    And after this episode Ironwood jumped from one of my least favorite characters in the show to somewhere above the beacon teachers. He had some very nice moments in both this episode and the last one, and that brief fight scene was really good, too.
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    More than a few people have noted that administrative access, which Roman has by proximity will trump most if not all cyber security and given that was Ironwood's ship he was on it does seem like the most logical place for the machines to draw their orders from.
     
    Zam said:
    More than a few people have noted that administrative access, which Roman has by proximity will trump most if not all cyber security and given that was Ironwood's ship he was on it does seem like the most logical place for the machines to draw their orders from.
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    Pretty much. This isn't someone hacking, say, a predator drone flying over Baghdad using Hollywood hacking techniques. This is someone sneaking into the base in Texas its flown from, killing the entire operating staff, and taking the driver's seat.

    The real issue is Ironwood's ship being so insecure that a single, badass, warrior was able to eliminate the entire command crew, at least neutralize everyone else, and take control without anyone realizing and deciding to bring the ship down rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

    Clearly Atlasian airships are a military asset that should warrant being guarded by several hunstmen.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Pretty much. This isn't someone hacking, say, a predator drone flying over Baghdad using Hollywood hacking techniques. This is someone sneaking into the base in Texas its flown from, killing the entire operating staff, and taking the driver's seat.

    The real issue is Ironwood's ship being so insecure that a single, badass, warrior was able to eliminate the entire command crew, at least neutralize everyone else, and take control without anyone realizing and deciding to bring the ship down rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

    Clearly Atlasian airships are a military asset that should warrant being guarded by several hunstmen.
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    I wonder about that actually.
    We know Atlas prefers sending in Robots we have seen flesh and blood but in small numbers. As exampled by Ironwood taking nothing but Bots with him when he tries to retake his ship.
    We also know there are ground troops stationed in key places CCT for example. With this being Night and the Finals of the tournament I am also guessing the off duty soldiers would be at the festival instead of remaining on ship.

    So this maybe a case where its Low Flesh and Blood soldiers numbers to begin with and at a time when the number of on ship Soldiers would be low add in the fact the Soldiers would be focusing on the grim and not a short mute VERY cute soldier and you may have a case where its the right situation to create an opening.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Pretty much. This isn't someone hacking, say, a predator drone flying over Baghdad using Hollywood hacking techniques. This is someone sneaking into the base in Texas its flown from, killing the entire operating staff, and taking the driver's seat.

    The real issue is Ironwood's ship being so insecure that a single, badass, warrior was able to eliminate the entire command crew, at least neutralize everyone else, and take control without anyone realizing and deciding to bring the ship down rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

    Clearly Atlasian airships are a military asset that should warrant being guarded by several hunstmen.
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    Well if you go up against an illusionist unawares, even the strongest Hunter and Huntress can be sucker-punched.

    Or stabbed in the face.

    MinorGryph said:
    That was incredible. This episode is what the Breach should have been!
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    Remember the Breach was set off too early.

    Seeing Cinder's plan now makes it obvious that the Breach was only supposed to add to the chaos that's happening now. Grim coming from outside the city, inside the city, the army that was supposed to protect you turning against you, nowhere to run!

    Although I wonder how they intended to take out the airship if Roman was supposed to be in Mountain Glenn?
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    Well, I guess Roman wasn't needed to take over the airship, strictly. Neo got in herself just fine.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    The real issue is Ironwood's ship being so insecure that a single, badass, warrior was able to eliminate the entire command crew, at least neutralize everyone else, and take control without anyone realizing and deciding to bring the ship down rather than let it fall into enemy hands.
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    She was in uniform, though.

    Depending on how her illusions work they at the very least thought she was a comrade or she could have walked around taking everyone out in one hit without anyone noticing until it was their turn.
     
    Anzer'ke said:
    Penny abruptly going from bisected to sliced into several pieces was annoying. If they wanted her to be that badly damaged then it might have been an idea to show it from the get go instead of suddenly retconning in different injuries. Mostly though this was an awesome episode and is making me really really want to see Mercury beaten into a whimpering lump of meat.
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    The damage is consistent:

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    The only inconsistency is that the orientation may have shifted: e.g. the place where Penny's sword landed seems different. Unless they were moved, I guess.
     
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    revanninja said:
    As far as we know Blake LIED about her past and only an extremely SMALL amount of people know about white fang
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    Yeah, and they don't seem to care too much. Beggars can't be choosers and all.
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    Clearly Atlasian airships are a military asset that should warrant being guarded by several hunstmen.
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    Well, guarded against what? Again, the Atlesian military is primarily geared towards fighting Grimm. Grimm don't seem to be big on infiltration.

    Fundamentally, the problem with Cinder is that she represents an unprecedented and unforeseeable problem for Remnant society. Heck, human society in general. It's tempting to view her as a conventional terrorist, but terrorists act for political reasons that are for the most part on board with the existence of modern society, just not with how certain parts of it work.

    Cinder isn't. She seems to be working for or with the Grimm, who are a legitimate existential threat to the survival of humanity as a species. She seems to have no problem with razing a city to rubble and throwing international relations into self-destructive chaos as a byproduct of achieving her actual objective.

    Like, conventional terrorists want a populace to recruit from, industrial backing, public recognition, so many things that require modern society. Cinder doesn't. She's basically the nightmare scenario of civilisation made manifest: A threat that has no reason not to shatter your works and peoples, and neither needs nor has essentially any train of logistics that can be attacked to stop her from doing so.
     
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    Given the whole framing Atlas angle Cinder is going for, along with that mention of the tower communication system being dependent on each other, I've got the feeling that she's going to frame Atlas for Vale's destruction and kick off the next Great War by taking down the communication system, preventing Atlas from explaining and making everyone assume the worst.

    The ensuing chaos allows her to attack the other Maidens and steal their powers, nice and easy...
     
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