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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Can I just say how happy I am that this season has been such a dramatic leap in quality.
    I really liked the show in seasons 1 and 2, but I couldn't deny that there were so many issues that I probably shouldn't have.
    But now everything's is awesome and I'm super justified.
     
    anailater said:
    Can I just say how happy I am that this season has been such a dramatic leap in quality.
    I really liked the show in seasons 1 and 2, but I couldn't deny that there were so many issues that I probably shouldn't have.
    But now everything's is awesome and I'm super justified.
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    This season was pretty iffy in the first couple episodes on combat quality, but the level has now grown to well within the original animation. In fact I'd say I like it better, because their is less an emphasis on technical difficulty , and more on dramatic framing. Everything is smooth and cohesive, and has less of the problems that plagued the first season.

    A new bar has been set for the series quality.
     
    CornyBones said:
    This season was pretty iffy in the first couple episodes on combat quality, but the level has now grown to well within the original animation. In fact I'd say I like it better, because their is less an emphasis on technical difficulty , and more on dramatic framing. Everything is smooth and cohesive, and has less of the problems that plagued the first season.

    A new bar has been set for the series quality.
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    And don't forget the dramatic improvements in acting and drama (heh).
    I just, I wanted it to be so good because Rooster Teeth was making it, and now it is good and it's just such a nice feeling.
     
    ...Is that Mr. Schnee in the bottom right panel? If so I find it ironic that the manga beat the anime to the big reveal.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    I'm with Imrix, if Cinder wasn't allied with the Grimm her plan would be suicide instead of a distraction.
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    Which raises the question of how Adam's feeling at this point.

    I wonder if he's just decided that it's too late for regrets and that his only option is to stick with Cinder all the way, because he has to see how bad it looks for the White Fang to align with the Grimm. Especially since Cinder is letting them be the public face of all this.

    Sure he wants to be feared, but there's a delicate balance between too much fear and not enough, and helping the Grimm wipe out a fourth of civilisation strikes me as the kind of thing that gets people to start lynching "suspected White Fang members" in the other Kingdoms. It definitely kills sympathy for their cause and puts a great big hole in their ability to recruit. Unless they build a new Faunas Kingdom in the ashes, betraying their species to the soulless monsters will probably discourage angry faunas kids from joining up.

    Of course RT probably won't go in depth regarding the repercussions, but it is fascinating to think about and I kinda hope Blake brings it up during their fight.
     
    teslashark said:
    Both powered and piloted; if Grimm could be used as gasoline then Schees would be even more filthy rich!
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    You say that like it's a bad thing. :cool:

    Well, there might be some perverse incentives to powering industry with literal human fear and anguish.

    Also, Weiss is about to take on a fully functional MP Paladin on her lonesome, or maybe with a handful of surviving soldiers giving potshots. What are the odds she finally has a break through with her semblance.
     
    anailater said:
    Can I just say how happy I am that this season has been such a dramatic leap in quality.
    I really liked the show in seasons 1 and 2, but I couldn't deny that there were so many issues that I probably shouldn't have.
    But now everything's is awesome and I'm super justified.
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    CornyBones said:
    This season was pretty iffy in the first couple episodes on combat quality, but the level has now grown to well within the original animation. In fact I'd say I like it better, because their is less an emphasis on technical difficulty , and more on dramatic framing. Everything is smooth and cohesive, and has less of the problems that plagued the first season.

    A new bar has been set for the series quality.
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    I've always thought RWBY, and by extension Monty, were a bit over hyped. But I will give him this. He started something that has been able to survive and move beyond him after he was gone. That's an accomplishment many people never manage.
     
    Imrix said:
    Well, guarded against what? Again, the Atlesian military is primarily geared towards fighting Grimm. Grimm don't seem to be big on infiltration.
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    Cinder may be an out of context problem. That doesn't mean there are not or have never been non-existential threats that would want to hijack an Atlasian warship. The White Fang for instance.
     
    Anzer'ke said:
    Which raises the question of how Adam's feeling at this point.
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    I reiterate my vote for the inevitable Cinder and Adam mutual backstab as they try to cut each other out of the picture while on the cusp of victory. Honestly, given how their relationship has been presented I can't imagine it
     
    So on the subject of the Dragon Grim, anyone else notice that it appears to be resting near Mountain Glenn? What are the chances that it was directly responsible for the City's fall.
     
    Sinsystems said:
    So on the subject of the Dragon Grim, anyone else notice that it appears to be resting near Mountain Glenn? What are the chances that it was directly responsible for the City's fall.
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    The chance is there, but I think we might have gotten some indication from Oobleck or even some remains of an act of destruction that didn't seem to be committed by some mere animal grimm while we were still there.

    But who knows, the fact that Glynda and Qrow seemed to know exactly what was coming might be a hint that someone at least knew it was there.
     
    A thought comes to me: it might be that the Maidens were the ones who sealed away the Dragons and other ancient Grimm. As has been discussed before, pound for pound Maidens aren't much stronger than a powerful Semblance. But it's certainly not unreasonable to assume they have a unique magic that could seal away Grimm or render them dormant. And it gives another reason for their existence to be protected--what they seal away they might also be able to release. After all, it's unlikely Cinder will be able to generate the amount of sheer chaos and discord as the Battle of Beacon has a second time, so...
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Pretty much. This isn't someone hacking, say, a predator drone flying over Baghdad using Hollywood hacking techniques. This is someone sneaking into the base in Texas its flown from, killing the entire operating staff, and taking the driver's seat.

    The real issue is Ironwood's ship being so insecure that a single, badass, warrior was able to eliminate the entire command crew, at least neutralize everyone else, and take control without anyone realizing and deciding to bring the ship down rather than let it fall into enemy hands.

    Clearly Atlasian airships are a military asset that should warrant being guarded by several hunstmen.
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    I prefer to think of this as being an example of how utterly badass Neo is over a point against the Atlesian military.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Cinder may be an out of context problem. That doesn't mean there are not or have never been non-existential threats that would want to hijack an Atlasian warship. The White Fang for instance.
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    The White Fang are a guerilla army operating out of wilderness bases and the urban underground. What are they going to do with a warship? How are they going to fuel, supply and crew it? How does hijacking one serve their goals of combating anti-Faunus discrimination (real or perceived)? Yeah, the White Fang has taken a genocidal turn, but that's a recent, aberrant mutation of their historical methods and goals. Remember, their biggest conflict in the past has been with the Schnee Dust Company, a corporation rather than a government. The White Fang's goals are not served by overthrowing humanity just in time to get eaten by the Grimm.

    This is what I'm talking about when I say conventional terrorists are mostly on board with modern society; it is in the White Fang's interests to leave things like Atlesian warships and active military bases the hell alone, because flying battlecruisers bristling with laser cannons aren't terribly useful for suppressing guerilla fighters, but they're great at blasting omnicidal monsters to ash.
     
    Imrix said:
    The White Fang are a guerilla army operating out of wilderness bases and the urban underground. What are they going to do with a warship? How are they going to fuel, supply and crew it? How does hijacking one serve their goals of combating anti-Faunus discrimination (real or perceived)?
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    The White Fang were willing to use mass violence long before they turned genocidal. And who said anything about keeping it? Roman took out two other warships and sent who knows how many robots rampant in under five minutes.

    In your Schnee Dust Company example, I'm sure the Schnee's own guarded assets and facilities the White Fang would like to not exist. A warship would quite handily reduce them to rubble.
     
    Imrix said:
    The White Fang are a guerilla army operating out of wilderness bases and the urban underground. What are they going to do with a warship? How are they going to fuel, supply and crew it? How does hijacking one serve their goals of combating anti-Faunus discrimination (real or perceived)? Yeah, the White Fang has taken a genocidal turn, but that's a recent, aberrant mutation of their historical methods and goals. Remember, their biggest conflict in the past has been with the Schnee Dust Company, a corporation rather than a government. The White Fang's goals are not served by overthrowing humanity just in time to get eaten by the Grimm.

    This is what I'm talking about when I say conventional terrorists are mostly on board with modern society; it is in the White Fang's interests to leave things like Atlesian warships and active military bases the hell alone, because flying battlecruisers bristling with laser cannons aren't terribly useful for suppressing guerilla fighters, but they're great at blasting omnicidal monsters to ash.
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    They could try to hijack one because there's a Schnee on board, or to blow up or board a Schnee ship carrying dust, or to ram it into a factory or research lab...

    Sure there are easier ways for the last one but if they were going for a bigger impact, so to speak, it's a possibility.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    The White Fang were willing to use mass violence long before they turned genocidal. And who said anything about keeping it? Roman took out two other warships and sent who knows how many robots rampant in under five minutes.

    In your Schnee Dust Company example, I'm sure the Schnee's own guarded assets and facilities the White Fang would like to not exist. A warship would quite handily reduce them to rubble.
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    Large-scale violence is not mutually exclusive with guerilla warfare. The White Fang pretty clearly do not have an extensive infrastructure or technology base backing them, and everything we've seen of them paints a picture of an underground movement fighting a guerilla war. That's completely antithetical to heavy assets like warships. Yeah, razing a Schnee compound with laser fire from the cloud level would be pretty sweet, but given the Schnee's corporate muscle, I suspect any facility that would warrant that kind of firepower would also warrant calling in a CAP squadron of Atlesian ships, at which point, why not just skip hijacking a ship for a very expensive suicide mission and put the effort towards cracking the place open with commando tactics?

    As blasphemous as it sounds, brute force doesn't solve everything.
     
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