RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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On the Youtube reviers it probably isn't about money but instead is about a hipster like pseudo-intellectual superiority where they treat an unpopular opinion, at least inside a community, as better because it's unpopularity means that they have to be smarter than anyone else to see that things that they missed without ever realising that they might be missing something that everyone else saw.

It is the reason why most of their post/videos are extremely long, nitpicky and filled with false information with any good point buried under the pile, they are showing off their "intelligence" by pointing out all those "problems" that no one else sees, especially the dumb masses that actually hold a different opinion.
 
Guys you not wanting to watch a 2 hour long video is not a criticism of the video. I don't like reading books but it's not because books are unreadable and they should cease to exist in favor of visual mediums

I'm going to stop you right there. Volume 5 did no such thing. You just outed yourself as being exactly the kind of dupe we discussed earlier who falls for criticism of made up flaws because it "sounds right".

At the end of V4 they get to mistrial and Qrow is still sick

At the beginning of V5:
"the city of mistrial" - a suddenly recovered Qrow

"Well it's about time!" - nora implying they just got there at a time where Qrow is up and fine when we explicitly saw that when they had just arrived Qrow was still in bed

So I dunno what to tell you man.
 
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At the end of V4 they get to mistrial and Qrow is still sick

At the beginning of V5:
"the city of mistrial" - a suddenly recovered Qrow

"Well it's about time!" - nora implying they just got there at a time where Qrow is up and fine when we explicitly saw that when they had just arrived Qrow was still in bed

So I dunno what to tell you man.
Pretty sure that was mostly Nora joking about how long it took them to get there, like her 'stuck in this house' joke for V6, and that the framing is more like "Look at that view" over "We just got here!" Sort of like if I drive into say, Sydney with someone it is nothing special, but then if I go to say, a really nice observation point that shows the opera house ETC I might go "There it is, the city of Sydney".

Or like, if someone goes to the top of that really tall building in "Name half a dozen cities" that lets you see the whole city in its grandeur over whatever hotel you're staying at level.

That was how I interpreted it anyway, they got there via drop ship and got bundled into a guest house where they hung around till Qrow was no longer dying so this was their first chance to go out and see the city proper.
 
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Last post on fatman as a critic specifically on my end.

Guys you not wanting to watch a 2 hour long video is not a criticism of the video. I don't like reading books but it's not because books are unreadable and they should cease to exist in favor of visual mediums

This is actually more like if somebody were writing a 33 chapter 830k fanfic and you, maybe read it with criticisms, or just flatout didn't because that kind of bloat means the pacing is shot to hell. Though it isn't like that really, that's kind of charitable. Because in order to properly engage with a critique you should be thinking about it and fact-checking it when something doesn't seem right. So this is basically akin to writing... let's say a 90 page epic on the first couple seasons of RWBY. They make claims but at most basically give you statements and timestamps or clips, leaving it ambiguous how much context played that you might not be quite recalling. Do you really think saying "maybe you could shorten the words reviewer man so I can properly engage with the work you put this much effort in" is that beyond the pale?

I have no issue viewing a lot of fatman's stuff, do often agree with him, and will watch his latest videos eventually. But I typically need to essentially have a full free day and a lot of mental energy. The fact that I need those things as a cost of entry to, I feel, do basic due dilligence in confirming a reviewer's claims means that maybe they aren't that good a critic and could use people that can help streamline and even simplify for greater effect.
 
I just haven't seen one yet.

Not really related to RWBY but Willlovesvideogames 5 hour critique on Elder Scrolls IV is the best essay on Oblivion ever made and one of the best video game critiques around. It doesn't deserve to be so concise and well thought out for a FIVE hour video. It is, stupidly amazing, with the cold calculated review of a person who truly loves a work of fiction. Even if you don't know anything about Oblivion, it's just a joy to listen to.

Hbomberguy's video on Sherlock is solid too, as well as Mathewmitosis video on BioShock Infinite, 1:50 hours and 36 minutes respectively.
 
Hbomberguy's video on Sherlock is solid too, as well as Mathewmitosis video on BioShock Infinite, 1:50 hours and 36 minutes respectively.

I actually think I've discussed hbomb's Sherlock review elsewhere and I have some problems with it, even outside it being infinitely longer than it has to be and pretty meandering at a lot of points. mitosis' video is alright (and if you're in the 30 minute range you'll have a lot less issues) I more just have disagreements. I might check out that first one though, something to listen to while doing stuff if nothing else.
 
So if Grimm get stronger and smarter as they age, and they were around long before humanity 2.0 evolved from protozoa or however they reappeared, how did humanity even come to exist? How was it not snuffed out in its crib?
 
So if Grimm get stronger and smarter as they age, and they were around long before humanity 2.0 evolved from protozoa or however they reappeared, how did humanity even come to exist? How was it not snuffed out in its crib?
The Grimm might only have gotten smarter after Salem started taking an active role in their evolution.
 
I figured Grimm only got smarter by encountering people, the video on them showed a Grimm surviving a fight before coming back stronger, so Grimm that never fight anything might, at best, get bigger but no smarter and may not even get that.

Or in other words, Grimm may grow like Pokemon.
 
At the end of V4 they get to mistrial and Qrow is still sick

At the beginning of V5:
"the city of mistrial" - a suddenly recovered Qrow

"Well it's about time!" - nora implying they just got there at a time where Qrow is up and fine when we explicitly saw that when they had just arrived Qrow was still in bed

So I dunno what to tell you man.
That may have something to do with the fact that the scenes you're referencing don't actually support your argument at all.

Suddenly recovered Qrow - The last time we saw him he had clearly gotten medical treatment and was well enough to get better simply by resting in a hotel or hospital room somewhere. We also don't even know how much time has passed since then, but considering that Aura grants healing abilities its fully possible that after getting a antidote Qrow only needed a single night's rest to fully recover. Either way, not a retcon.

First of all "Well its about time" could also imply that Nora is impatient to get to Haven Academy after spending days or weeks shuffling around in a hotel room/hospital while waiting for Qrow to get better. Secondly as I just pointed out its fully possible that Qrow only needed a single night of resting to get better, thanks to his strong Aura and its healing abilities. If they got there in the middle of the day/late in the day and then didn't do much besides resting before going to bed then it would still be accurate to say that they just got there when they're walking around the morning after. Heck it would not be out of the ordinary to say that you "just got here" if you've already been in a city for several days, especially if it took a several months long trip to get there and even more so if you have mostly been resting after getting there. So not a retcon.

Also what @Zam said.


People really need to learn what a retcon actually is before they start throwing that term around.
 
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Okay, there are a few things to unpack here.

First, @Leingod, you posted the following:

Oh puh-fucking-lease. I don't care if someone doesn't like RWBY, and I also don't care if someone points out its flaws. I might disagree with their conclusions and debate them on them, but I'm not personally offended that someone doesn't like the same things as I do.

You know what I do hate? Some piece of shit who makes low-effort long-ass "analysis" videos where they clearly don't know what the hell they're talking about and just want to make Youtube bucks from hating on something that's popular to hate on and will guarantee lots of clicks, which are padded to hell and back because Youtube algorithms and idiots eat that shit up no matter how little of substance is actually there.

I hate a disgusting piece of shit who has the balls to bandy about the name of Monty Oum like a club and wield it against his friends and co-workers and act as though he knew Monty Oum better than they did and cares more about Monty Oum than they did. I doubt the motherfucker ever so much as shook Monty Oum's hand at RTX, he doesn't have the right to talk about "Monty's vision" to the people who Monty shared that vision with from the very start of the creative process.

I hate a dishonest son of a bitch who outright manipulates the footage he uses to support outright lies so that he give himself more padding for his videos and more chances to bitch and trick people into thinking he's smart.

And I hate a sack of shit who spends all this time and energy making Youtube money hating on creators when he clearly lacks the talent or drive to actually try to put out anything of real creative merit himself, because as the above video makes very clear, bitching for two hours on the internet is the easiest thing in the Goddamn world to get congratulated about.

I hate Fatmanfalling because I find him to be a legitimately repellent and loathsome human being who has recorded literal hours of personal insults and attacks against the creators of a work of far more creative merit and entertainment value than anything he ever has or will produce, and who have shown far more tolerance and patience with criticism and internet hatedom than that thin-skinned manchild has ever shown on social media when someone calls him out on his bullshit.

I'm going to give you a staff notice here. I mentioned it in your notice, but there are better ways to handle your dislike than using phrasing like "disgusting piece of shit" or "Sack of shit." If you'd been a bit more vivid, it would have been an infraction. Be better about it in the future, please.


Additionally, there were a number of reports about spoilers that seem to be being used as a cudgel against people not liked. I'm going to amend @Tekomandor's policy here. There is a 24 hour spoiler policy now. If it has been available to watch for 24 hours, it's fair game. I will put a reply banner with the latest release date for RWBY in it for reference.

Thank you. You may start posting again when I open the thread.
 
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[Discussion] Volume 6, Chapter 5: The Coming Storm
Qrow: It's like they just went to sleep and never woke up
Qrow: So clearly we're in a horror movie
Qrow: As the only capable adult on the team I am going to go off and do my own thing while telling everyone else to do as i say not as i do because i'm not really confident in myself as a role model
*later*
Yang: I'm tired
*later*
Weiss: I'm tired
*later*
Maria: I'm going to find us a bedtime story
*earlier*
Ominous archway from the opener is ominous.

Guys, RT has done a horror series on how going to sleep kills you before. ITS A CROSSOVER EPISODE!
 
Additionally, there were a number of reports about spoilers that seem to be being used as a cudgel against people not liked.
I don't mean to sound rude, but I'm curious to know what you mean by this, or more specifically, what were the posts that were like that. Because the closest I could find was probably one with the title of "TW: Digibrony" and I'm thinking it's either that or using the spoiler tags to exclude people.

EDIT: Wait, I think I know what you mean. As in saying spoilers as a cudgel, not using the tags as a cudgel.
 
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Because the closest I could find was probably one with the title of "TW: Digibrony" and I'm thinking it's either that or using the spoiler tags to exclude people.
I did what now?

Anyways, yeah, I've seen the newest episode. Course, I'm not sure if it's available unpirated, so rest of this post in the spoilerbox for good measure.

And there's pretty much two, maybe three thoughts that are dominating my reaction:

1: Why are they teasing an Adam encounter when they're probably not having him come in contact with Team RWBY until at least halfway through next season?

2: The group coming across an abandoned farm in the middle of nowhere with a mysterious monster in the closet is giving me recollections of YMS's videos on Season 2 of The Walking Dead, which really isn't a good sign.

3: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE NEO JUST SURRENDER LIKE THAT WHEN THE FIGHT'S ONLY JUST STARTED, AND THEN HAVE HER AGREE TO WORK WITH CINDER OUT OF IMPLIED FEAR?!?! WHY THE HELL CAN'T CINDER JUST DIE ALREADY?!
 
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I did what now?

Anyways, yeah, I've seen the newest episode. Course, I'm not sure if it's available unpirated, so rest of this post in the spoilerbox for good measure.

And there's pretty much two, maybe three thoughts that are dominating my reaction:

1: Why are they teasing an Adam encounter when they're probably not having him come in contact with Team RWBY until at least halfway through next season?

2: The group coming across an abandoned farm in the middle of nowhere with a mysterious monster in the closet is giving me recollections of YMS's videos on Season 2 of The Walking Dead, which really isn't a good sign.

3: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE NEO JUST SURRENDER LIKE THAT WHEN THE FIGHT'S ONLY JUST STARTED, AND THEN HAVE HER AGREE TO WORK WITH CINDER OUT OF IMPLIED FEAR?!?! WHY THE HELL CAN'T CINDER JUST DIE ALREADY?!
I mean last time Neo saw Cinder the woman was leading an invasion of Beacon and had shown herself to be insanely powerful. She hasn't seen Cinder nearly crippled and beaten by Raven.
 
I mean last time Neo saw Cinder the woman was leading an invasion of Beacon and had shown herself to be insanely powerful. She hasn't seen Cinder nearly crippled and beaten by Raven.
Last time she'd seen her Cinder was nowhere near as powerful as she is now.
and I'm not sure the fact that Raven just about managed to beat her would make Neo think she was weak since Neo was scared of Raven when she without knowing Raven was a maiden.

Neo was shown to know when she's out of her dept, though I sort of suspect she might try to back stab Cinder at some point.
 
I did what now?

Anyways, yeah, I've seen the newest episode. Course, I'm not sure if it's available unpirated, so rest of this post in the spoilerbox for good measure.

And there's pretty much two, maybe three thoughts that are dominating my reaction:

1: Why are they teasing an Adam encounter when they're probably not having him come in contact with Team RWBY until at least halfway through next season?

2: The group coming across an abandoned farm in the middle of nowhere with a mysterious monster in the closet is giving me recollections of YMS's videos on Season 2 of The Walking Dead, which really isn't a good sign.

3: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE NEO JUST SURRENDER LIKE THAT WHEN THE FIGHT'S ONLY JUST STARTED, AND THEN HAVE HER AGREE TO WORK WITH CINDER OUT OF IMPLIED FEAR?!?! WHY THE HELL CAN'T CINDER JUST DIE ALREADY?!
1. Why wouldn't they build something like that up, especially when the trauma associated with him plays a big role in two characters stories?

2. Nothing really to say here.

3. I mean I'd have liked it if Cinder had been killed by Raven too, that would be a fun subversion but as to Neo. We know she got stronger so she may have thought herself strong enough to take Cinder as she was back at Beacon and given how well things were going she was probably right. But Cinder's upgraded to Full Maiden and that is too much for Neo to take as of yet. Though I wouldn't be surprised if she is planning to just shank Cinder if the chance pops up.
 
HOLY MOTHERFUCK IT'S THE ICE CREAM TRUCK

From Cinder's dialogue, I think it can be inferred that Neo got stronger with the express purpose of killing her. And she did a pretty damn good job before Cinder got all "Raah I have magic and I'm not afraid to use it"

Honestly, I actually kinda liked Cinder in this episode? Between the pretty good 1v1 fight, and her surprising reluctance to not just kill Neo is refreshing, and not just because I like Neo. She's being smart, she knows she can't go after Ruby alone, so she's getting Neo to work with her, potential future betrayal is a problem for future Cinder.
 
So I have watched the first 4 new episodes and my general feelings are 'fuck gods'. I mean I could maybe look over the whole 'you need to learn the true meaning of death so ironic punishment for you' if they didn't back it up with genociding the entire planet as a solution to someone not learning from their ironic punishment. So Salem was right to try and kill the gods as they are amoral monsters even if she did it for the wrong reasons. How many seasons do we have to wait before Team RWBY is practicing Deicide?
 
I really liked Cinder's dialogue when she encountered Neo.

"Wait... Neo!?"
And after she is attacked
"What are you doing!?"

She delivered those lines really well.

That whole segment was simply excellent, and you can really see how the animation team has gotten better since volume 3.
 
So I have watched the first 4 new episodes and my general feelings are 'fuck gods'. I mean I could maybe look over the whole 'you need to learn the true meaning of death so ironic punishment for you' if they didn't back it up with genociding the entire planet as a solution to someone not learning from their ironic punishment. So Salem was right to try and kill the gods as they are amoral monsters even if she did it for the wrong reasons. How many seasons do we have to wait before Team RWBY is practicing Deicide?
Why bother with the Deicide? The brothers aren't involved in Remnant anymore, simply not calling them back has the same result with less concern over potentially losing and certainly less destruction from the fight.

Well, that's the easier way at least but I doubt Salem will let it happen since she still wants to kill them.
 
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