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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • On the subject of the Ozpin stuff in V6E2
    since it's basically confirmed that Ozpin is also a villain and the plot is going to play out like xenoblade chronicles 1/final fantasy X where you gotta defeat all the """good guys""" and all the bad guys

    I thought that I would be a contrarian/devil's advocate and try to come up with charitable interpretations that wouldn't lead to #Hazelwasright

    1. Something about this story is going to be incredibly discouraging, like salem is actually immortal or actually a goddess/the literal devil or whoever kills her gets body snatched or cursed, or all the grimm will go wild and siege remnant if she's defeated

    2. This whole thing is ozpins fault, he somehow caused salem's corruption, but not in a malicious way, maybe he taught her magic and the darkness in her heart from bad experiences caused her to end up doing dark and evil magic

    3. He's not actually trying to defeat salem he's trying to save her... At the expense of all her victims in the mean time. (This would go well with jilted lovers)


    ...but yeah the fact that he's going to physically stop them heavily suggests that he's outright a bad guy
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Just so we are clear, your defense is that gold isn't "practical." In a show like RWBY.
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    Honestly with the way RWBY is and how much I'm personally invested in the show (which is not a lot, I'm a very casual watcher), I'm perfectly happy with handwaving it all together since this detail doesn't detract from my enjoyment of it. It's not so much a defence, it's more of an offer to prop up your own suspension of disbelief.
    Delphisage said:
    "Calavera" means something?
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    Hey now, I find emoticons to be really useful in taking the edge off what would otherwise be a really dry statement, they're not 'cancerous'.
     
    Information: THIS IS NOT THE WAY
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    • Sunder the Gold said:
    Notice how Seven doesn't apologize at all for how he mischaracterized me, he just evades by launching into a new attack.

    I can respond by defending this new ground, or I can refuse to play a game where he keeps moving the goal posts because he doesn't want to concede anything, ever.
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    this is not the way If you think he's breaking the rules or moving goalposts or such, report his post, not make your own post that amounts to 'Look at what a shit he's being'.


    Shadows said:
    Sayeth the guy who hates the show but can't restrain himself from shitting all over the thread whenever he feels like.
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    don't And this post is nothing but sniping at him. Him not liking something in the show is not 'shitting all over the thread'. 25 points, 3 days out. Do not repeat.
     
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    • thesevenwielder said:


    Chances that Neo comes back just to die to Cinder?
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    I imagine that the relic of knowledge would be really useful for something like... "Where is the relic ozpin hid from me that i haven't found since the ending of V3?"

    Also that's a pretty good point, waste all the questions now and salem can't do anything with it for 100 years unless it has other functions (like how infinity stone can be used for raw energy beyond/aside from their normal functions)

    Lol at prudes complaining that an ancient divine spirit doesn't have human standards of modesty when she probably doesn't feel temperature to begin with.

    Why do people complain about "another new character" who will be seen 3 times in the entire show unless there's a 100 year time skip?
     
    It's kind of annoying that in v5 Yang was the one to pick up the Relic of Knowledge and was the one challenging Oz about the Truth, but come v6 we have Ruby holding the Relic and finally getting fed up with Oz and asking The Question. Like I get that the writers finally want to develop Ruby, but right now it seems to be coming at the expense of plot points that have already been hinted at in v5.
     
    I think with Oz the implication is that he has no long term trust of people, he can trust people now. But he doesn't hold trust for them long term and so plays somethings close to the chest. Leo was a good man once, and then look at what he became. He's probably dealt with that dozens of times. It's not just an issue of people betraying him, it's an issue of people changing. The person he knows at 20 could be vastly different from the person they are at 60. He might trust RWBY now but thinks they could very well become different, maybe even evil people in the decades to come. Look at Raven for example
     
    But don't forget it could very well be the result of a self-fulfilling prophecy. He doesn't trust people with anything so they go out of their way to find out what he's hiding and as a result lose faith in him and "betray" him. Just like what is happening right now in real time with RWBY
     
    Gah, Team RWBY seems so happy to be just beating the crap out of Grimm together like the old days, I love it.

    It might just be something I'll need to get used to, but there seems to be a weirdness in the fluidity of the way they move, I can't put my finger on it, but it just strikes me as a little weird.

    Pft, Adam throwing his temper tantrums. Give this to the VA, he seems to actually be improving now, which is good because it seems Adam is going to have an increased role and lines given his getting his own trailer and this scene. His voice sounds a little more natural now.

    Qrow narrates WoR style, telling us that this is two weeks later and giving the "official" version of what happened. Leo doesn't deserve to be well-remembered, but I get why they'd do that.

    Oh, I'm going to enjoy seeing Qrow and Ironwood talking again.

    Here's the scene from the sneak peek, which I've already seen. I'll note that the weirdness with the animation isn't present here, so maybe it's the shifts from combat to standing and talking to each other or something? I really can't identify why I thought something was off with the start.

    Every time the main characters are all just goofing off together like this, I start smiling. I desperately wish that the first two Volumes could have had a lot more of this; it would have made the more slice of life episodes far more enjoyable. Nothing to be done, I know, but still.

    Speaking of which, God I hope Ruby and Blake can have actual conversations now.

    Like Ilia's new outfit.

    Makes sense Ghira wouldn't try to bring back the old name; the White Fang is kinda too tainted by this point for that to be a good idea. Plus, Adam's still out there and all.

    If this is what I'd be in for if you stayed instead of more of the Volume 4 stuff, I'm really going to miss you, Sun. I'd say the same for you, Neptune, but I'd be lying, though I'll admit you've made the most of this screentime so I won't say I'm happy that you're probably not appearing again this Volume (just that it's probably the right decision).

    Ruby, Yang, take your shoes off in the bed you heathens.

    Oof, Blake and Yang. I've been on both sides of similar awkward situations. It ain't fun. And despite Yang trying to put a good face on it, I think this discomfort is going to be a recurring thing in their interactions throughout the volume.

    "Just my luck." "It's not yours." I just want to acknowledge the inherent humor of the black cat and the crow arguing over which of them is the bigger harbinger of misfortune.

    That tetsubo looks cool as hell. Too bad he's about to die.

    Oh man, Tweedle Dee got Nolan'd!

    Yeah, makes sense Oscar isn't really up for letting Ozpin take control after the latter took his body over against his will last volume, even if that was the smarter option.

    Qrow's in good form today, and Tweedle Dum at least has enough presence of mind in the face of his bro getting Nolan'd to activate the defenses.

    … Which these Grimm are smart enough to target instead of just mindlessly keeping focused on the Huntsmen, unfortunately, since it means the civilians are in more danger than before.

    Oscar's gotten a lot nimbler in the past two weeks.

    Tweedle Dum isn't listening to reason, doesn't realize the upcoming tunnel in time, and snaps his arm like a matchstick.

    Qrow, meanwhile, isn't helping by going Full Batman and trying to intimidate a man who is already scared and in pain during a crisis, which just leads to him digging his heels.

    Ruby, about to simple soul this bitch.

    Nora has a great idea, and Ruby makes it even better. God, imagine what it's going to be like if Jaune amps up Yang's Semblance. Hell, if he did it to Blake, maybe she could pull a straight-up Naruto and drown her enemies in clones?

    Aw, Nora being all supportive and reassuring when Ren isn't sure he can do it. My shipping trash heart can't take it.

    … Oz, seriously, what the hell? What happened to not keeping any more secrets? You didn't think this was an important bit of information? At the very least, they would have been more mentally prepared for a crisis like this to break out if they'd known the Relic was a Grimm beacon. Plus, you're already kind of on thin ice with several of them, was this really something they couldn't stand knowing earlier? Hope he gives his reasoning next chapter, at least.

    Ruby Rose, living large and taking charge. I love this volume already.

    Awesome music kicks in, Blake may or may not be hallucinating Adam in edgy Assassin's Creed cosplay.

    The fight scene that ensues is Goddamn glorious, and I love all the little flourishes and touches they've added that really make the whole thing feel weightier and more grounded than some of the Volume 4-5 fights that felt too floaty and detached in places, while remaining stylish as hell.

    Techno-Granny Katara, I want you to know that I already love your voice and leitmotif and I can tell we're going to be best friends.

    And now I retreat back to the shadows, to do this again when Chapter 2 becomes available for free. `;)
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    I'm not holding my breath. Remember that in volume 4 we saw Cinder go through the motions of character development after being BTFO'd by the Silver Eyes of Justice only for volume 5 to completely reverse it and make her into the same boring monologuer she was in the first three volumes.
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    Eh, I don't feel she's the same- oh, she's trying to be the same, but there's a core of trauma in there now that's clearly affecting her, there's more fear. I don't think she'll change a lot overnight, but she's moving.
     
    Q99 said:
    Eh, I don't feel she's the same- oh, she's trying to be the same, but there's a core of trauma in there now that's clearly affecting her, there's more fear. I don't think she'll change a lot overnight, but she's moving.
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    I mean V5 Cinder went from a careful pragmatist to driven by personal grudges and lust for power into self destructive decisions and now she has an extra layer of wounded pride and paranoia added to it, plus potentially outright weakness. I don't agree with everything in V5, but I think Cinder is changing, though I think it is more becoming a broken down version of what she once was, a pitiful broken mirror of all she desired to be.

    Or shell successfully turn on Salem and become the big bad if Lil Miss Malachite's line about spiders is hinting at that. Aso interesting how both her advice and Salem's line up, in regards to controlling something dangerous, Grimm, Gang, make them fear you.
     
    Mook said:
    I mean, not sure if you're joking or pointing out the same thing that I'm about to, but being able to resize to fit the wearer is a extremely basic and widespread power of magic items, and is a trait that magical items have in a ton of different settings. Especially powerful divine artefacts like the Relics. Even in a low-magic setting like Middle Earth the One Ring was noted to seemingly turn bigger or smaller when people weren't paying attention, which is how it contrived to get lost and found when it tired of its current wearer.
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    The magical cosmic artifact of supreme power that was created by a capital G god is in fact capable of resizing itself to be more convenient to carry.

    I really don't get why this was even an issue for some people.
     
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    The magical cosmic artifact of supreme power that was created by a capital G god is in fact capable of resizing itself to be more convenient to carry.

    I really don't get why this was even an issue for some people.
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    They probbaly wanted to do a jab at RT and go "LOL RT has no consistency!"
     
    Regarding Ozpin
    Still not a villain. Just a dude with major, understandable trust issues even worse than Blake's trust issues after Yang broke Mercury's leg.

    Should have at least admitted he was hiding stuff and asked permission to keep hiding certain things until he thought it was a good time to tell people.

    Wasting questions just to deny them to Salem is a stupid idea. If Ozpin could have gotten the Relic out of the vault before Beacon fell, he could have used it to uncover Salem's plans. Salem might have gone after Leonardo specifically because he was guarding the Relic of Knowledge, to try and find a way to deny Ozpin the ability to uncover her plans at any time, and she only launched into her latest, most successful plan yet because she learned that the Spring Maiden was missing and Ozpin couldn't get the Relic.

    Ozpin didn't want to use either of the available questions right now because he doesn't yet know what the best questions to ask ARE. He probably wanted to wait until he could get back to Ironwood and see what, if anything, he'd managed to learn since Ozpin died.

    He REALLY didn't want people spending such a vital resource just to learn his most embarrassing secrets.


    Theory About The Relics
    Jin of the Lamp of Knowledge says she was created by the god of light, not both gods together.

    We can guess that he also made the Relic of Creation alone. And by the same token, his brother alone made the Relic of Destruction, the sword.

    All things being equal, that means the god of darkness created the Relic of Choice. And we can guess its powers by guessing its purpose.

    The brother of light made Jinn "to aid humanity in its pursuit of knowledge".

    So I think the brother of darkness made the Relic of Choice to prove his own philosophy; if he believed that mankind should be destructive rather than creative, and didn't care whether or not humans learned anything, then I believe he thinks man should dominate man, denying each other choice.

    So I think the Relic of Choice is the crown, and the Last King of Vale was constantly tempted by the power to impose his choices upon others, and deny them their own. Maybe he never used this power, but wore the crown to keep it out of the hands of others. Certainly, after the war he made sure to lock it away.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Still not a villain. Just a dude with major, understandable trust issues even worse than Blake's trust issues after Yang broke Mercury's leg
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    the fact that he was willing to charge in and physically stop ruby, that oscar felt the need to hold him back, is almost undeniable evidence that he's a villain

    I can't think of a good reason to tackle ruby and try to wrestle the relic out of her hands (since it didn't look like he was gonna fight her)

    Sunder the Gold said:
    Wasting questions just to deny them to Salem is a stupid idea. If Ozpin could have gotten the Relic out of the vault before Beacon fell, he could have used it to uncover Salem's plans. Salem might have gone after Leonardo specifically because he was guarding the Relic of Knowledge, to try and find a way to deny Ozpin the ability to uncover her plans at any time, and she only launched into her latest, most successful plan yet because she learned that the Spring Maiden was missing and Ozpin couldn't get the Relic.

    Ozpin didn't want to use either of the available questions right now because he doesn't yet know what the best questions to ask ARE. He probably wanted to wait until he could get back to Ironwood and see what, if anything, he'd managed to learn since Ozpin died.

    He REALLY didn't want people spending such a vital resource just to learn his most embarrassing secrets
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    so then they could ask how to defeat salem, the grimm, maidens/magic or how to use silver eyes. All of those would provide vital information whilst keeping Salem from the knowledge she seeks
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    the fact that he was willing to charge in and physically stop ruby, that oscar felt the need to hold him back, is almost undeniable evidence that he's a villain

    I can't think of a good reason to tackle ruby and try to wrestle the relic out of her hands (since it didn't look like he was gonna fight her)
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    My guess is that Salem's story is sad and that, while I won't say if he was a villain or not (yet), Ozpin's old life that started this war did indeed do something foolish or irresponsible or rash that made her into the omnicidal person she is today and maybe caused the Dark Ages (for lack of a better word) that was eluded to in the first episode 'the are remnants, byproducts of a forgotten past'. He probably also doesn't want people to have sympathy for someone who wants to destroy civilization.
     
    Hey, remember when Blake slapped Sun across the face because she was being emotional and not caring what perfectly good reasons he had for doing what he was doing?

    Is she a villain?
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Hey, remember when Blake slapped Sun across the face because she was being emotional and not caring what perfectly good reasons he had for doing what he was doing?

    Is she a villain?
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    The controversial slap that makes blake look like a really bad person?

    The one that the voice actor came out to defend by saying that abuse is a cycle (essentially that blake is abusive because of Adam's influence/abuse)

    In the same volume where a parent isn't allowed to discipline their child with a slap (so obviously a friend isn't allowed to smack her friend)?

    Bad example bro.

    I thought the people claiming ozpin is a villain were stupid up until this point, where I've gotta eat crow because they were right all along and hazel's backstory is retroactively justified
     
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