RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Not that strange, because to use your metaphor, murder and arson only happened because of jaywalking. In fact, the one doing murder and arson did it because someone illegally crossed the road with the intent to kill him.

As I see it, by leading an army in a war against the gods, Salem ends up responsible for what happen to said army - and that's not even touching the fact that she led them under false pretense. That said army ends up entirely annihilated? That's on her. That she doesn't give a damn and wants to do it all over again? That's also on her.

That the gods have no concept of proportionate retribution and apparently believe in shared responsibilities? That's on them.

Focusing on the person jaywalking instead of the dude commiting murder and arson is equally messed up. I mean that is textbook victim blaming. That isn't even without getting into the power differential between the two people involved. This is the equivalent of superman seeing someone jaywalking and then murdering the entire town for it without ever telling anyone that was even a possible response and everyone focusing on the person jaywalking as the primary moral actor.
 
Really? Then explain why Cinder spent 80% of the fight fighting purely with her bare hands instead of shooting streams of fire, conjuring up explosions, creating glass weapons, showering Neo with glass shards, shooting beams of ice/lightning/wind/etc or any of the dozens of other methods she has of escalating.

Even leaving aside the fact that she was clearly trying to talk Neo the fact remains that she is a wanted fugitive with practically no resources and simply can't afford to make a scene even if she wanted Neo dead.

As for whether its smart or not? This wouldn't be the first time Cinder did so and if not for the Spring Maiden switcheroo she would have gotten one over Raven in that confrontation. Neo might attempt to backstab Cinder at some point, but I would not put any Lien on that going well for her.
Cinder's trademark flaw of being far to over confident?

Seriously, ever since Jaune got that hit in on Cinder her threat level has been decreasing. Without Maiden Power Cinder is nothing. She only ever wins with brute strength.

And it's REALLY not. Neo has been shown quite skilled in combat. And she is more dangerous than you seem to be giving her credit. Who says, after all, Neo was going all out?
 
Cinder's trademark flaw of being far to over confident?

Seriously, ever since Jaune got that hit in on Cinder her threat level has been decreasing. Without Maiden Power Cinder is nothing. She only ever wins with brute strength.

And it's REALLY not. Neo has been shown quite skilled in combat. And she is more dangerous than you seem to be giving her credit. Who says, after all, Neo was going all out?
Nope. When that flaw kicks in Cinder's smugness also rises to 9001.

And nope. Jaune got a "hit" on her because she was temporarily stunned by Ruby's Silver Eyes, the same power that has kept a mountain busting army summoning Grimm Dragon frozen for half a year or more at this point. Without Maiden powers Cinder was still going to smugly cut Jaune down with her burning blade before Ruby used her overpowered anti-Grimm magic on her. Without Maiden powers Cinder casually shish-kebabed Weiss. Without Maiden powers Cinder killed Vernal with a single strike.

Look mate, Cinder is the main villain, maybe not the Big Bad but she is the Darth Vader to Salem's Emperor Palpatine. Neo is temp character who only exists because Monty needed Roman to have a right hand woman. Any kind of confrontation between them can only end one way.

Also do you not realize how hypocritical it is to accuse people of being fanboys for claiming that Cinder was clearly holding back in a fight where she barely used any of her powers and spent the entire fight trying to talk her opponent down and wanted to convince them to join her, while also claiming that Neo could have been holding back even though she showed pretty much everything we know she's capable of and she went into that fight trying to avenge a loved one?

And speaking of contradictions:

You: Haha! Cinder is pathetic because she was losing to Neo.
Also you: Neo is the best combatant ever and is super deadly!
 
Neo just giving up and following Cinder without a care does annoy me too. But I will immediately take back everything if Cinder gets BTFO'd a third time, this time via backstab from Neo. Sadly I suspect that even if they do go the back stab route, it won't work.

To fair Cinder has point, she really nothing to do with Roman's death and she is suppose to skilled manipulator, so the idea that could convice Neo to after Ruby seems believable.
 
She didn't? She's the one the caused the Grimm to attack. That was HER plan.
And per her plan he, really they, should have been safely inside an Atlas ship. Rpman's the one that decided to fight Ruby outside.

But saying that to a rage and grief fueled murderball probably isn't a good idea and certainly won't make friends, so blame the one that lured him out as mutual enemy, which she still is.
 
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I don't think either Cinder or Ruby are really responsible for Romans death unless Cinder blackmailed Roman into helping her (which is kind of implied by romans dialogue and fear of cinder)

Cinder is way closer to being at fault than Ruby is though, and since Qrow is probably gonna die this volume Ruby will be able to relate to Neo pretty well and vice versa
 
Well. No surprises there. The only thing people didn't guess ahead of time was that they'd deal with it so quickly and that Qrow actually lived. Also, even if thy want to throw the relic away, there's no reason to do so with a question remaining.
 
I feel so bad for Ozma. His mission is pretty much impossible. Having to unite humanity and have them peacefully coexist? When people like Cinder and Raven exist? Not to mention that Salem? She probably counts as human still! So she staying as she is will fuck everything over and Ozma has no known way to get rid of her. Sure people are trying to argue "exact wording" but I can only see three answers to that question and two will just say no.
 
Well. No surprises there. The only thing people didn't guess ahead of time was that they'd deal with it so quickly and that Qrow actually lived. Also, even if thy want to throw the relic away, there's no reason to do so with a question remaining.
Well its not like any of the people advocating for doing so were in anything resembling a rational state of mind. They were like three steps away from being mind raped into suicidal apathetic depression.
 
Really? Then explain why Cinder spent 80% of the fight fighting purely with her bare hands instead of shooting streams of fire, conjuring up explosions, creating glass weapons, showering Neo with glass shards, shooting beams of ice/lightning/wind/etc or any of the dozens of other methods she has of escalating.

Even leaving aside the fact that she was clearly trying to talk Neo the fact remains that she is a wanted fugitive with practically no resources and simply can't afford to make a scene even if she wanted Neo dead.

As for whether its smart or not? This wouldn't be the first time Cinder did so and if not for the Spring Maiden switcheroo she would have gotten one over Raven in that confrontation. Neo might attempt to backstab Cinder at some point, but I would not put any Lien on that going well for her.
Do you just... Like... Not actually read responses before replying or something? @DarkKing98 specifically mentioned in the post just before that Cinder was clearly getting trounced in hand-to-hand until she brought out the maiden powers. So I'm unsure what exactly you're arguing. As for her not immediately busting out the powers, keep in mind that she probably wanted to keep those powers a secret. It was only after she realized that she was going to die that she brought out the maiden powers.
 
The only thing I'm worried about from V6E6 is that they may have just confirmed...

that silver eyes are going to be a nakama/friendship powerup a la:

"The love of my friends prevents my mind from being read" (yugioh)

"Thinking about my friends boosts my resolve so much that I can literally one-shot people who spent the last 3 episodes kicking my ass, implying that i wasn't really trying before and was about to die at 10% of my power for no reason" (bleach, multiple ichigo fights)

And so on.

Also I'm worried they're way overpowered and not cool enough. If It's just an instant death ray then it won't lead to epic moments, needs a better aesthetic than that. And if it's instant death all tension from grimm fights or cinder is gone, until they start arbitrarily running into grimm immune to silver eyes (like in Inuyasha where there was miraculously ALWAYS poison wasp demons to stop "miroku wind tunnel gg")

Although I do find the idea interesting that maria lost her eyes due to their silverness. Whether that means you can fuck up and burn out your eyes (kaio-ken), or they burn out over time from use (mangekyo sharingan) or salem has tyrian and hazel gouge out their eyes (implied by volume 4)

In any case it would deal with their overpoweredness since ruby wouldn't wanna go blind to kill a nevermore, it would be very unique and interesting

Also cinder is definitely gonna die, maria will probably be killed by cinder, and neo will surrender/escape/be let go. Unless she joins the crew
 
I feel so bad for Ozma. His mission is pretty much impossible. Having to unite humanity and have them peacefully coexist? When people like Cinder and Raven exist? Not to mention that Salem? She probably counts as human still! So she staying as she is will fuck everything over and Ozma has no known way to get rid of her. Sure people are trying to argue "exact wording" but I can only see three answers to that question and two will just say no.
I think it's less about getting every human on Earth to hold hands and sing and more about uniting the various people of the world in peace.
 
I think it's less about getting every human on Earth to hold hands and sing and more about uniting the various people of the world in peace.
To me it sounds like the Gods are petulant children that hate being challenged on anything, even if they could easily squash said challenge in their sleep. So I would not be surprised if they mean every human soul.
 
That was mostly a pretty good episode, but had a hell of an anticlimax. Like, the rest of the episode was good, but the resolution... a substandard ending can break even a good episode. It's not quite bad enough to ruin the rest of the episode, but still...

The ship is officially sunk. No, I don't care what Chibi says. Chibi isn't canon. Apparently the Silver Eyes are activated by love but they didn't activate in response to Penny dying. Not even close friendship like the rest of her team.
 
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I'm so glad Qrow's drinking is being treated as a problem, Ruby's anger was well handled, everyone's exhaustion was so creeptastic kudos, Maria was a freaking MVP I wanna know more about her! Also those Grimm were creep as all get out! Also Yang grabbing Blake's hand was cute, though why couldn't Weiss break out of the cellar? She's not as strong as Yang but they all have super strength. Also Bartlby and Ozpin have a lot in common, keeping secrets to try and keep everyone calm.
 
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