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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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    • Also keep in mind, "acting like they're living in the Shire and not a fucking deathworld," is actually a somewhat reasonable defence against said deathworld, in this case.
     
    Imrix said:
    Also keep in mind, "acting like they're living in the Shire and not a fucking deathworld," is actually a somewhat reasonable defence against said deathworld, in this case.
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    This is actually an interesting point.

    Ultimately, the "gather in the capital city of the kingdom" versus "live in a settlement" debate appears to be one of "quality of life" versus "security of life." In the capital, your enemies are likely to be other humans: repressive governments, violent criminals, and so on. In the boonies, your enemies are likely going to be Grimm (though groups like Raven's tribe/clan/family/whatever generate a new kind of problem).

    At the same time, living happy and content lives is the best way to have the Grimm want to go bother someone else.

    (I wonder how often in places like Mistral, political factions on the losing side don't have any choice about going off and founding their own villages, because the winning side kicks them out of well-defended settlements?)
     
    DezoPenguin said:
    This is actually an interesting point.

    Ultimately, the "gather in the capital city of the kingdom" versus "live in a settlement" debate appears to be one of "quality of life" versus "security of life." In the capital, your enemies are likely to be other humans: repressive governments, violent criminals, and so on. In the boonies, your enemies are likely going to be Grimm (though groups like Raven's tribe/clan/family/whatever generate a new kind of problem).

    At the same time, living happy and content lives is the best way to have the Grimm want to go bother someone else.

    (I wonder how often in places like Mistral, political factions on the losing side don't have any choice about going off and founding their own villages, because the winning side kicks them out of well-defended settlements?)
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    Another thing we should factor in is that if a large enough portion of the population within the city are dissatisfied with their current life then there would be a noticeable uptick in the number of Grimm that the defenses have to deal with, it's probably because of these reasons on top of basic things like needing land to farm and obtaining other resources on top of overcrowding issues that the government might even encourage people to start up small settlements.

    Also I think we should keep in mind that even if a village doesn't have Hunters they most likely have some basic military power. I can see people like Ren's dad being able to deal with small numbers of young Grimm with Hunters being called in to deal with larger groups or more powerful Grimm.
     
    Regarding village and town defenses, walls would be pretty useless. Common Beowolves can leap high enough to bound right over two story walls, and can certainly climb. Stronger Grimm can simply bust through such walls.

    Major cities like the capitals probably need to get Attack On Titan serious about their walls for them to do any good, and even then I'd bet that the strategy for defending against the Grand Goliaths is "ignore everything else and kill those vile siege engines before they hit the walls".

    Villages would instead be better served by regular hunting patrols (conducted by game-hunters, probably) of the village's most able-bodied men (and women) to locate and exterminate Grimm on their own terms, to prevent the monsters from randomly wandering close enough to find the town at night. If anything too big for them to handle appears, they wound it enough to make it retreat (which it eventually does, since they aren't strong enough to decisively kill it before it accepts that it is too weak) and then call in a professional Hunter to finish it off.

    That's probably exactly what the first village in this Volume would have done about the Geist, had the CCT network not been down. If they couldn't call all the way to Mistral City, they would at least have been able to contact Xione and commission the huntsman there.
     
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    • HeWhoAdds said:
    I kinda liked the Ruby scene, if only because it felt like actual character development for her. Plus a interesting reversal of her talk with Jaune in Season 1 re: leadership.

    Re: Ren's semblance, I'm most just surprised people don't use it as an excuse to hold hands with him all the time. He's so handsome. :V
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    The issue for me was it came and went so fast that it didn't really have any emotional weight or payoff for me.

    I definitely agree with you on Ren though :)

    So apparently we can expect a new volume around:
     
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    • I think something like that was kind of implied during the flashback, wasn't it? I may have to watch it again but I think the exchange went like this:

    Momma Ren: "We need to get to the shelter"

    Pappa Ren: "No, it's too strong. We need a Huntsman!"

    So, this implies the village had a protocol for Grimm attacks and that the locals could handle the weaker Grimm by themselves just fine.
     
    Zam said:
    The issue for me was it came and went so fast that it didn't really have any emotional weight or payoff for me.

    I definitely agree with you on Ren though :)

    So apparently we can expect a new volume around:
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    Three pieces of good news there. RvB coming back in three months (not that we expected it wouldn't), Chibi returning to fill the midseason gap, and V5 to return (again, not that anyone expected it wouldn't, but it's nice to get immediate confirmation that the franchise is healthy from a $ standpoint).
     
    NMS said:
    I think something like that was kind of implied during the flashback, wasn't it? I may have to watch it again but I think the exchange went like this:

    Momma Ren: "We need to get to the shelter"

    Pappa Ren: "No, it's too strong. We need a Huntsman!"

    So, this implies the village had a protocol for Grimm attacks and that the locals could handle the weaker Grimm by themselves just fine.
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    Yeah people need to keep in mind that this was not a normal Grimm, it pretty much soloed Mistral M.k.II which would have likely had some serious defenses or Hunters on payroll to fend of Grimm and its slain hundreds of warriors by itself, many of whom were probably Huntsmen (I doubt ordinary warriors could wield warhammers with heads larger than the upper body of most adult human males for example).
     
    Mook said:
    Yeah people need to keep in mind that this was not a normal Grimm, it pretty much soloed Mistral M.k.II which would have likely had some serious defenses or Hunters on payroll to fend of Grimm and its slain hundreds of warriors by itself, many of whom were probably Huntsmen (I doubt ordinary warriors could wield warhammers with heads larger than the upper body of most adult human males for example).
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    There is also the fact that this thing has to be pretty old and as we know the older a Grimm gets the more powerful they become.
     
    Mook said:
    Yeah people need to keep in mind that this was not a normal Grimm, it pretty much soloed Mistral M.k.II which would have likely had some serious defenses or Hunters on payroll to fend of Grimm and its slain hundreds of warriors by itself, many of whom were probably Huntsmen (I doubt ordinary warriors could wield warhammers with heads larger than the upper body of most adult human males for example).
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    Actually, it didn't solo Mistral MK.II it killed the guys building Mistral MK.II before the population arrived. It would not surprise that the construction crews were not as well defended as they should be.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    Actually, it didn't solo Mistral MK.II it killed the guys building Mistral MK.II before the population arrived. It would not surprise that the construction crews were not as well defended as they should be.
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    That's not the implication I was getting. Sure it was unfinished but there were still many structures that were already complete so people had probably already started moving in, with the amount of construction workers you would need to build that place you'd need a small towns worth of population to supply them with all their needs like food, drink and entertainment anyway. Plus this is Remnant, if you don't hire a lot of guards to protect your town while its under construction and thus lacks defensive systems then you can't really expect it to be completed.
     
    Oh jeez, I didn't even see Nora until I read Dreamer's comment.
     
    Oh no, Ren's gonna die!

    Guys, we barely know anything about him. He's the Tenten of RWBY. He's doesn't exist until he says something. He's never been relevant, no matter how much fans love him for his good looks. I'm glad RT is giving him the spotlight, but he's three seasons too late for me to care. He's there to be the straight man in the first three seasons, and that's just about it.

    RWBY does a lot of things, good and bad. But one of the bad things is not giving people enough screen time. And Ren is one of those characters.
     
    Jeez relax people. The only person in real danger of dying is Qrow and even that would be a terrible waste. Most likely everyone will survive, maybe with some physical or mental scars but nobody is in danger of dying at this point. Its to soon after Pyrrha's death and there's been to little development of Ren and Nora to kill them at this point. That picture is just Dishwasher being an edgy 13 year old again.
     
    Speaking of Semblances, somebody got Jeff Williams to hand over the lyrics for the bit of Qrow's song he heard in his fight.


    And as a bonus, here's the music from the end of Grim Eclipse: Lusus Naturae (meaning "Freak of Nature.")
     
    Hykal94 said:
    Oh no, Ren's gonna die!

    Guys, we barely know anything about him. He's the Tenten of RWBY. He's doesn't exist until he says something. He's never been relevant, no matter how much fans love him for his good looks. I'm glad RT is giving him the spotlight, but he's three seasons too late for me to care. He's there to be the straight man in the first three seasons, and that's just about it.

    RWBY does a lot of things, good and bad. But one of the bad things is not giving people enough screen time. And Ren is one of those characters.
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    Don't worry, I'm sure they'll introduce at least three more unnecessary side characters to take Ren's place and make sure team RWBY don't get any screen time than the bare minimum.
     
    Oh my fucking god please dont tell me they divided this volume into 2 and labeling the other half volume 5 because fuck i will rage so god dam hard
     
    flashburn said:
    Oh my fucking god please dont tell me they divided this volume into 2 and labeling the other half volume 5 because fuck i will rage so god dam hard
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    Um, what? Volumes two and three were both comprised of twelve episodes, and volume one only had ten when you combine the episodes that were split in two. Volume four being twelve episodes as well isn't them splitting it in half.
     
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    I mean they completed more than twelve but cut it in two ala hunger games style
     
    flashburn said:
    I mean they completed more than twelve but cut it in two ala hunger games style
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    Rooster Teeth, they of the "Wow, this is the first time I'm getting to see these episodes!" director commentary on the DVD release, they of the recurring "we just finished the animation for this the night before it aired" routine, managing to finish enough of a backlog of episodes to deliberately hold them back until next year?
     
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