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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Little Ren and Nora are so cute! Also, the tallest of the boys bullying Nora was voiced by KaiserNeko of Team Four Star. Obligatory hot damn on the terrifying new Nukelavee Grimm.
     
    Dream Logic said:
    I wouldn't be surprised if we had a death or two per season. If so he's definitely at risk.
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    That would be an incredibly lazy writing decision. Pyrrha got 3 seasons of (intermittent) character development. Ren's gotten a few lines in 2 episodes. Even if the whole next episode is dedicated to just his backstory, we've still had comparatively little time to get to know him, and building him up JUST to kill him off would be incredibly wasteful of what's looking to be an interesting character, especially for a show with such a limited runtime.

    I can see them eventually killing Ren off, but not until we've had enough time (many, many seasons) to actually get attached to his character development.
     
    Overall, the idea behind the episode was OK, if poorly executed. It seems to me that the most important implication is that:
    Apparently, Semblance can be used without first unlocking Aura. Either that or Aura can be unlocked spontaneously. I rather doubt little Lie had his Aura unlocked prior to the events of the flashback.
     
    For me, the most significant point was:
    Lie is Ren's personal name. Ren's been his family name the whole time. For some reason, he goes by his family name where everyone else around him doesn't.

    Apart from that, I'm still wondering:
    Did Ren and Nora stumble across the Grimm's lair at the end? Or did they stumble across the camp of Raven's bandit clan? Or are they the same thing?
     
    HeWhoAdds said:
    That would be an incredibly lazy writing decision. Pyrrha got 3 seasons of (intermittent) character development. Ren's gotten a few lines in 2 episodes. Even if the whole next episode is dedicated to just his backstory, we've still had comparatively little time to get to know him, and building him up JUST to kill him off would be incredibly wasteful of what's looking to be an interesting character, especially for a show with such a limited runtime.

    I can see them eventually killing Ren off, but not until we've had enough time (many, many seasons) to actually get attached to his character development.
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    Point point, I guess I'm nervous that they'll be trigger happy on it and have been...over eager about it to say the least. I'm in one of those 'the end of rwby is nigh!' Phases.

    Carry on citizens.
     
    Dream Logic said:
    Point point, I guess I'm nervous that they'll be trigger happy on it and have been...over eager about it to say the least. I'm in one of those 'the end of rwby is nigh!' Phases.

    Carry on citizens.
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    This is an interesting theory that kind of has me on edge if RT decided to play with the themes of JNPR's characters to the letter.
     
    Dream Logic said:
    Point point, I guess I'm nervous that they'll be trigger happy on it and have been...over eager about it to say the least. I'm in one of those 'the end of rwby is nigh!' Phases.
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    Fair enough. I guess it's pretty clear I hope that this isn't the case. :V

    Tython82 said:
    This is an interesting theory that kind of has me on edge if RT decided to play with the themes of JNPR's characters to the letter.
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    I mean, pretty much all the main cast of RWBY have some freaky shit in the backstory of their inspiration.

    For example, in the original Little Red Riding Hood story, the wolf doesn't just eat grandma, he cooks her up and feeds her to Red when the poor girl shows up at granny's house. I think we can both agree that drawing from this might be a little outside of the show's established tone, though.

    In Beauty and the Beast, the titular sexy young lady goes back to her creepy possessive monster-boyfriend, and, uh, hopefully that won't happen in RWBY?

    Heck, even the original Goldilocks has some weird shit in it. Check out this quote from the wikipedia page on the original: "A girl named Goldilocks approaches the bears' house. As she has been sent out by her family, she is a disgrace to them. She is described at various points in the story as impudent, bad, foul-mouthed, ugly, dirty, and a vagrant deserving of a stint in the House of Correction." Which probably won't be the way they take Yang's character? (Although I do want to see her straight up eat someone else's porridge, probably as an intimidation tactic)

    I guess my point is that there's weird fucked up shit in pretty much the entire main cast's literary inspirations, but we shouldn't necessarily apply assume it's at all indicative of the future plot. (Except for Weiss, weirdly enough. Snow White seems to have been pretty wholesome all the way back, unless you count being forced to do housework for seven filthy miners as fucked up. Although there's apparently an Albanian version of the story with 40 dragons instead of seven dwarves, which I hope they run with, because that sounds fuckin' rad)
     
    Kind of eh on the Ruby scene, loved the Ren and Nora stuff pretty much in its entirety, the scene direction, mood and set design was on point and Ren manifesting a Semblance/Aura & Semblance that works as camouflage is neat... Now if they ever have to sneak into Salem's fortress everyone has to hold hands with Ren, I love it.
     
    HeWhoAdds said:
    Fair enough. I guess it's pretty clear I hope that this isn't the case. :V



    I mean, pretty much all the main cast of RWBY have some freaky shit in the backstory of their inspiration.

    For example, in the original Little Red Riding Hood story, the wolf doesn't just eat grandma, he cooks her up and feeds her to Red when the poor girl shows up at granny's house. I think we can both agree that drawing from this might be a little outside of the show's established tone, though.

    In Beauty and the Beast, the titular sexy young lady goes back to her creepy possessive monster-boyfriend, and, uh, hopefully that won't happen in RWBY?

    Heck, even the original Goldilocks has some weird shit in it. Check out this quote from the wikipedia page on the original: "A girl named Goldilocks approaches the bears' house. As she has been sent out by her family, she is a disgrace to them. She is described at various points in the story as impudent, bad, foul-mouthed, ugly, dirty, and a vagrant deserving of a stint in the House of Correction." Which probably won't be the way they take Yang's character? (Although I do want to see her straight up eat someone else's porridge, probably as an intimidation tactic)

    I guess my point is that there's weird fucked up shit in pretty much the entire main cast's literary inspirations, but we shouldn't necessarily apply assume it's at all indicative of the future plot. (Except for Weiss, weirdly enough. Snow White seems to have been pretty wholesome all the way back, unless you count being forced to do housework for seven filthy miners as fucked up. Although there's apparently an Albanian version of the story with 40 dragons instead of seven dwarves, which I hope they run with, because that sounds fuckin' rad)
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    Actually, I have the theory that Adam is not meant to be the Beast but Gaston.

    Also in the original tale the process of waking up Snow White went a lot farther than kissing, to the point that she had children while sleep.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    Also in the original tale the process of waking up Snow White went a lot farther than kissing, to the point that she had children while sleep.
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    Wait isn't that Sleeping Beauty? I mean the prince has his way with her sleeping body she gets pregnant and then gives birth to her child/twins?(Can't remember how many she had) and the child then sucks out the sliver out of her finger and then she wakes up.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Wait isn't that Sleeping Beauty? I mean the prince has his way with her sleeping body she gets pregnant and then gives birth to her child/twins?(Can't remember how many she had) and the child then sucks out the sliver out of her finger and then she wakes up.
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    I don't know, I think that it happens in both.

    Also, I think that there was something weird with how she convinced the hunter to betray the queen in the original.
     
    ShadowEMT said:
    I don't know, I think that it happens in both.
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    Nope Snow White was in the glass/crystal? coffin after she was poisoned by her step mother and thought dead when the prince came and was enchanted by her beauty and decided to take her with him which the Dwarfs allowed and when he moved the coffin the piece of poisoned apple falls out of her mouth(or between her lips) she then wakes up instantly(worst poison ever) and says Where Am I? the two the look at one another fall in love plan to get married right away and invite everyone including the step mother who poisoned her who when she sees that Snow White is still alive chokes with rage falls down and dies.

    Yeah that will be interesting to see if they do try and adapt that for Weiss.

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    Also, I think that there was something weird with how she convinced the hunter to betray the queen in the original.
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    As for the Huntsman, nope she just begged for her life and after he spares her he figures she will be eaten alive by Wild Animals and be done with.
    Ninja'd
     
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    ShadowEMT said:
    Also, I think that there was something weird with how she convinced the hunter to betray the queen in the original.
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    The queen told the hunter to take her out into the woods and murder her, and to bring back Snow White's liver as proof. Yeah. Her liver. So Snow White convinces the hunter to not kill her, and he just kills a wild animal and gives the queen that liver. Which she just assumes is Snow White's.

    Fuckin' fairy tales, man.
     
    DezoPenguin said:
    Apart from that, I'm still wondering:
    Did Ren and Nora stumble across the Grimm's lair at the end? Or did they stumble across the camp of Raven's bandit clan? Or are they the same thing?
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    I'm like 70 percent certain it was the Grimm's lair. That arrow Ren picked up looked a lot like the ones his father shot at the Grimm.
     
    So, here's what I took away from the end of this episode;

    Nuckelavee Grimm: "Hello little Ren and Nora, I am the Trauma Llama come to visit you once more."
     
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    NMS said:
    I'm like 70 percent certain it was the Grimm's lair. That arrow Ren picked up looked a lot like the ones his father shot at the Grimm.
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure all the swords and the banner that hit Ren in the face and the arrow are all trophies or something that the spooky horseman Grimm took from the villages he destroyed. Which has some interesting implications about the intelligence of particularly ancient Grimm.

    Zam said:
    Kind of eh on the Ruby scene, loved the Ren and Nora stuff pretty much in its entirety, the scene direction, mood and set design was on point and Ren manifesting a Semblance/Aura & Semblance that works as camouflage is neat... Now if they ever have to sneak into Salem's fortress everyone has to hold hands with Ren, I love it.
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    I kinda liked the Ruby scene, if only because it felt like actual character development for her. Plus a interesting reversal of her talk with Jaune in Season 1 re: leadership.

    Re: Ren's semblance, I'm most just surprised people don't use it as an excuse to hold hands with him all the time. He's so handsome. :V
     
    Carl: Hey Bob, where are we gonna live? How about that big walled city with all the features and amenities of modern technology and an army of huntsman and robots to defend it?
    Bob: Nah that's lame I'd rather live in some quaint pseudo-medieval town with little or no walls and little or no huntsman. We can just frolick around and look at lotus flowers and shit its gonna be great.
    Carl: …I hate you Bob.
     
    firefossil said:
    Carl: Hey Bob, where are we gonna live? How about that big walled city with all the features and amenities of modern technology and an army of huntsman and robots to defend it?
    Bob: Nah that's lame I'd rather live in some quaint pseudo-medieval town with little or no walls and little or no huntsman. We can just frolick around and look at lotus flowers and shit its gonna be great.
    Carl: …I hate you Bob.
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    While I agree the better fortfied kingdom would be better/safer wasn't the reason they decided to move out and strike out on there own due to not agreeing with the politics of the other kingdoms and there belief that they could make something better?
     
    Tython82 said:
    While I agree the better fortfied kingdom would be better/safer wasn't the reason they decided to move out and strike out on there own due to not agreeing with the politics of the other kingdoms and there belief that they could make something better?
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    It is true that throughout history people launched intrepid explorations into dangerous unexplored lands, or that disasters natural and otherwise could wipe population centers off the map or reduce them to a pale shadow of their former glory. The thing is, back then, there weren't any great alternatives. Being in a big city made you more vulnerable to plague and fire while being no guarantee against being sacked. For most people, life was brutish, nasty, and short, no matter where you chose to put your picket fence.

    In RWBY that's not really the case. They have big modern cities which are safe from Grimm attack barring extreme circumstances like Cinder and the White Fang, and which also probably lack the kind of problems that plagued big cities before things like sanitation and fire codes were invented. Locating outside is a huge and unnecessary risk, and if you really felt compelled to, it should be armed to the teeth and heavily fortified. Qrow even says as much. Instead the only living town we've seen has no walls and no huntsman, just full of people acting like they're living in the Shire and not a fucking deathworld.
     
    firefossil said:
    It is true that throughout history people launched intrepid explorations into dangerous unexplored lands, or that disasters natural and otherwise could wipe population centers off the map or reduce them to a pale shadow of their former glory. The thing is, back then, there weren't any great alternatives. Being in a big city made you more vulnerable to plague and fire while being no guarantee against being sacked. For most people, life was brutish, nasty, and short, no matter where you chose to put your picket fence.

    In RWBY that's not really the case. They have big modern cities which are safe from Grimm attack barring extreme circumstances like Cinder and the White Fang, and which also probably lack the kind of problems that plagued big cities before things like sanitation and fire codes were invented. Locating outside is a huge and unnecessary risk, and if you really felt compelled to, it should be armed to the teeth and heavily fortified. Qrow even says as much. Instead the only living town we've seen has no walls and no huntsman, just full of people acting like they're living in the Shire and not a fucking deathworld.
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    Mountain Glenn was a city. And given how many times the kingdoms have tried establishing new settlements, I get the feeling there's a bit of a crowding problem in their capitals.
     
    Tython82 said:
    While I agree the better fortfied kingdom would be better/safer wasn't the reason they decided to move out and strike out on there own due to not agreeing with the politics of the other kingdoms and there belief that they could make something better?
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    Yes though that one wasn't the village we saw this episode.
     
    firefossil said:
    It is true that throughout history people launched intrepid explorations into dangerous unexplored lands, or that disasters natural and otherwise could wipe population centers off the map or reduce them to a pale shadow of their former glory. The thing is, back then, there weren't any great alternatives. Being in a big city made you more vulnerable to plague and fire while being no guarantee against being sacked. For most people, life was brutish, nasty, and short, no matter where you chose to put your picket fence.

    In RWBY that's not really the case. They have big modern cities which are safe from Grimm attack barring extreme circumstances like Cinder and the White Fang, and which also probably lack the kind of problems that plagued big cities before things like sanitation and fire codes were invented. Locating outside is a huge and unnecessary risk, and if you really felt compelled to, it should be armed to the teeth and heavily fortified. Qrow even says as much. Instead the only living town we've seen has no walls and no huntsman, just full of people acting like they're living in the Shire and not a fucking deathworld.
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    Well keep in mind they were trying to create a big modern city eventually with Oniyuri. I get the impression that a lot of the workers for Oniyuri's construction were living in Kuroyuri.

    We don't really know what the policies were that pissed them off enough to want to start their own city.
     
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