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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • ElMariachi said:
    Hey, there's a trigger inside Winter's sword guard!
    So her weapon is a cutlass version of Myrtenaster, neat.
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    Xero Key said:
    Or a more traditional Gun-blade, I don't see Myrtenaster's Dust chambers on Winter's sword.
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    Or it could be the 'single-action' version. Myrtenaster is a "multi-action Dust rapier," likely due to the multiple chambers with different Dust types. Winter may have a single preferred Dust type, thus a single chamber.
     
    That is a rather complex trigger on Winter's saber, with the loop there to keep it in your finger on the trigger but spaced away from the grip it looks like something used to hold down and be kept help. Compare it to this trigger.



    Notice that Weiss's is right next to the placement of the forefinger allowing for either maintained depression or depression and release as needed.

    Winter on the other hand needs to shift her grip to hit her trigger and has to keep it depressed or shift her grip again while having it designed to support her new grip in the event of jarring or shifting of the blade. Her default grip is very light but the trigger is setup for her entire hand to hold it.

    I may be reading into it but given the heavier blade and style of grip as well as trigger system I do not think her blade is like Myrtlemaster.
     
    If she uses the dust in the handle to extend the blade (ice sword?), maybe it becomes a two-hander and she would use her other hand to hold down the trigger!
     
    So we've been shown glimpses of at least 3 entirely new teams.

    Team Fighting RWBY: Hoverboard Girl, Circular Fist Girl, Random Frozen Mook, & Posing Staff Wielder dude.

    Team Fighting SSSN:
    Last member: N/A

    Team Fighting JNPR:
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    1. Fellow with some contraption on the back of his hands. I suspect wolverine claws.

    2. A...sniper rifle? Seems suspiciously simply.

    3. This fellow uses Boomerang Saw Blades

    4. And the last dude...I thought it was a Goodwitch style riding crop for DUST MAGIC...but on closer inspection it appears to be a cattle prod? So I guess it's probably a cattle prod that doubles as a wand thing for Energy-type Dust Manipulation? I hope so at least.

    Also they seem determined to give Blake every cat stereotype they can think of.
    I'm still waiting for the ball of yarn to make an appearance.
     
    What if she likes tuna just because she likes tuna and it is not because she is a faunus? I know a guy who for his birthday asked for various cuts of fish, can name every type of fish sushi, and once spent a week eating tuna for 2 out of 3 meals every with three days that week his breakfast being a salmon omelet.

    Now to be fair I did know him back in the Navy so he was completely out of his mind but he did still exist.
     
    JarringToaster said:
    It's all part of a Schnee conspiracy.
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    Join the White Fang and today:

    Adam Wants You!

    Conundrum said:
    Can we take a moment to appreciate that a guy who fights throwing saw blades is not even the weirdest person here?
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    So amazingly true, I mean, they didn't even attach fire or guns to them! XD
    Azecreth said:
    No, seriously though, it does a good job of subverting their own narrative. Though at least they aren't as bad as some stuff I've read....
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    That's a very good point and all the Faunus death in season 2 as noted by MattheMammothRider might do the same, its actually an interesting thing to analyse.
    Conundrum said:
    What if she likes tuna just because she likes tuna and it is not because she is a faunus? I know a guy who for his birthday asked for various cuts of fish, can name every type of fish sushi, and once spent a week eating tuna for 2 out of 3 meals every with three days that week his breakfast being a salmon omelet.

    Now to be fair I did know him back in the Navy so he was completely out of his mind but he did still exist.
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    The tricky thing with "maybe they are just like that as an individual thing" is when stereotypes get brought into it a person stops being seen as an individual and is characterising their group or is characterised by said group. So Blake having a weird obsession with fish 'could' be a personal quirk and most cat Faunus regard fish with a variety of opinions, that's realistic, but that doesn't appear to be how its treated by the human characters or the narrative.
     
    Zam said:
    Join the White Fang and today:

    Adam Wants You!


    So amazingly true, I mean, they didn't even attach fire or guns to them! XD

    That's a very good point and all the Faunus death in season 2 as noted by MattheMammothRider might do the same, its actually an interesting thing to analyse.

    The tricky thing with "maybe they are just like that as an individual thing" is when stereotypes get brought into it a person stops being seen as an individual and is characterising their group or is characterised by said group. So Blake having a weird obsession with fish 'could' be a personal quirk and most cat Faunus regard fish with a variety of opinions, that's realistic, but that doesn't appear to be how its treated by the human characters or the narrative.
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    Have we seen any other faunus exhibit similar traits?
     
    Azecreth said:
    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable."

    You are now imagining Adam as some badass version of JFK, without the blackjack and celebrity hookers.
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    Honestly if I were actually good at 3D modelling/Animation I'd try to make a music video framing the White Fang in a positive light, despite some of their actions I have a hard time regarding them as any worse than Schnee corp so much as just more of the same only with a less jerkish motivation.
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    Have we seen any other faunus exhibit similar traits?
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    We haven't really seen enough Faunus to say, but Ruby's "she does like Tuna a lot" implies humans think the Faunus have the traits of the animals they share body parts with and that matches up well with the lyrics of Blake's song as well.
     
    The anti-faunus racism we see in-show isn't about them having animal instincts/habits, though. Roman's contempt has mainly been directed at intelligence and capability; he thinks they're dumb animals (thus inferior to humans), not animal stereotypes. Meanwhile Weiss stereotyped faunus as criminals and therefore untrustworthy by default.

    Meanwhile Cardin is just being an asshole. He might not even be racist (don't recall if he ever made comments along those lines), he physically bullies Jaune just as badly if not worse than Velvet so I think he would go for any target regardless of race.

    So I feel showing faunus to have animalistic preferences or instincts doesn't undermine the show's message. It's treated as normal by other characters, not something caled out as a racist stereotype of faunus behavior. As long as the instincts don't override their rational minds and prove the mindless animal syereotype true, there is no conflict.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    The anti-faunus racism we see in-show isn't about them having animal instincts/habits, though. Roman's contempt has mainly been directed at intelligence and capability; he thinks they're dumb animals (thus inferior to humans), not animal stereotypes. Meanwhile Weiss stereotyped faunus as criminals and therefore untrustworthy by default.

    Meanwhile Cardin is just being an asshole. He might not even be racist (don't recall if he ever made comments along those lines), he physically bullies Jaune just as badly if not worse than Velvet so I think he would go for any target regardless of race.

    So I feel showing faunus to have animalistic preferences or instincts doesn't undermine the show's message. It's treated as normal by other characters, not something caled out as a racist stereotype of faunus behavior. As long as the instincts don't override their rational minds and prove the mindless animal syereotype true, there is no conflict.
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    During the history class Cardin said faunus are dumb and make good soldiers because they are easily trained implying they are simple minded.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    The anti-faunus racism we see in-show isn't about them having animal instincts/habits, though. Roman's contempt has mainly been directed at intelligence and capability; he thinks they're dumb animals (thus inferior to humans), not animal stereotypes. Meanwhile Weiss stereotyped faunus as criminals and therefore untrustworthy by default.
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    This doesn't really counter the idea that there may be "anamilistic" stereotypes regarding Faunus. Denigrating someone or a groups intelligence is a pretty common part of prejudice and "animals" are often associated as being dumber than people.

    MinorGryph said:
    Meanwhile Cardin is just being an asshole. He might not even be racist (don't recall if he ever made comments along those lines), he physically bullies Jaune just as badly if not worse than Velvet so I think he would go for any target regardless of race.
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    This feels a bit like making an excuse. Plus he openly said "Well its easier to train animals than it is humans" and openly disparaged Velvet as a freak for her ears.

    MinorGryph said:
    So I feel showing faunus to have animalistic preferences or instincts doesn't undermine the show's message. It's treated as normal by other characters, not something caled out as a racist stereotype of faunus behavior. As long as the instincts don't override their rational minds and prove the mindless animal syereotype true, there is no conflict.
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    I don't necessarily agree but we haven't seen enough to say entirely.

    Plus there's also From Shadows lyric's to think about such as:
    born with no life....into subjugation
    treated like a worthless animal
    stripped of all rights
    just a lesser being
    crushed by cruel ruthless human rule
     
    The songs are not very useful, the guy who writes them does not even watch the show.


    Racism is also dominated by the idea that one race is more intelligent than the others so I would not really say that comes from their animalistic traits.
     
    Conundrum said:
    The songs are not very useful, the guy who writes them does not even watch the show.


    Racism is also dominated by the idea that one race is more intelligent than the others so I would not really say that comes from their animalistic traits.
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    Even if he doesn't watch it he's presumably told what he's meant to communicate through the songs otherwise the chances of them matching up with anything would be incredibly small.

    Its dominated by a lot of things, the belief of superior intelligence just being one, though fairly weight, aspect of it. However, how that is "justified" tends to bend and shift with the prejudiced individuals finding new "arguments" to support their ideologies and saying Faunus are "dumber" because they are 'dominated by the instincts of lesser animals" seems pretty fitting with how prejudice usually manifests.
     
    Zam said:
    Even if he doesn't watch it he's presumably told what he's meant to communicate through the songs otherwise the chances of them matching up with anything would be incredibly small.

    Its dominated by a lot of things, the belief of superior intelligence just being one, though fairly weight, aspect of it. However, how that is "justified" tends to bend and shift with the prejudiced individuals finding new "arguments" to support their ideologies and saying Faunus are "dumber" because they are 'dominated by the instincts of lesser animals" seems pretty fitting with how prejudice usually manifests.
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    He is trying to convey some ideas but trying to cut apart the wording of words for solid and concrete things is not something I feel should be done given he does not know o r apparently care about the specifics of the media.
     
    Conundrum said:
    He is trying to convey some ideas but trying to cut apart the wording of words for solid and concrete things is not something I feel should be done given he does not know o r apparently care about the specifics of the media.
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    Maybe, maybe not, but given the songs have been approved of by the RT staff and writers as working I think the general ideas they communicate can at least be looked into.
     
    Zam said:
    Maybe, maybe not, but given the songs have been approved of by the RT staff and writers as working I think the general ideas they communicate can at least be looked into.
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    The general ideas yes but you cannot really pick them apart for specifics when he did not know what was going to happen, plus Monty told us where to look for symbolism and it was not the songs.
     
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