RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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*roles*
what does one say to people who demand "hard evidence" as to why Penny, an artificial being, can be a Maiden without going into headcanons or "MaH tHeMeS" as they put it.
Ask them if they truly believe that a soul/mind is bound to the nature of it's body either they don't and they're just blind or they do and this is either ignorance or outright transphobia.
The fact that people in the fandom are exactly as

You give your child a piece of your soul

The fact that Cinder calls Penny "some toy"
 
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it's like people don't understand that stories and rules can evolve as the plot progresses.
like, Penny is a variable in the world that has never happened before. Penny is the first and only artificially made being to have a soul/aura, so there is no actual president as to how magic would interact with her.
 


The Centinels came about because they wanted a Grimm that could stay underground to avoid the harsh climate, and it was fun to explore specific Grimm abilities with their acidic spit.
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RWBY Volume 7 Commentary

Chapter 1: Kerry Shawcross (Director/co-writer), Miles Luna (co-writer) A large portion of this episode was originally intended to be a part of Volume 6. Miles explains that a part of them thought it would be cool to end on a good note with the return of Penny, but ultimately decided leaving off...


Centinels have acid spit seems to be confirmed. Hope we get to see that in action next volume because I am all for more Grimm with special abilities that lets them attacks in ways that don't involve clawing or biting.
 
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docs.google.com

RWBY Volume 7 Commentary

Chapter 1: Kerry Shawcross (Director/co-writer), Miles Luna (co-writer) A large portion of this episode was originally intended to be a part of Volume 6. Miles explains that a part of them thought it would be cool to end on a good note with the return of Penny, but ultimately decided leaving off...


Centinels have acid spit seems to be confirmed. Hope we get to see that in action next volume because I am all for more Grimm with special abilities that lets them attacks in ways that don't involve clawing or biting.
I'm imagining a few of them being dropped into an airship to melt through the wings..

Or melt through the underside of a water ship to make it sink
There Are aquatic Centipedes IRL after all...
 
random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔
 
random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔
Don't forget that the protagonists lashed out against the well-intended.
 
random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔

I'd say the motivations for defending them don't really have that much overlap. A vocal portion of Ironwood's defenders just think RWBY are in the wrong for daring to disagree with the "lawful authority" even though he's a paranoid military strongman who's rapidly losing his grip on reality. Sun, meanwhile, is just a dumbass who means well but makes rash decisions on the spur of the moment. He just wants to help his friend but ends up bailing on his team because he doesn't realize that they need him, too, even if Blake did legitimately end up needing him more at the time. Those aren't really the same thing.
 
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random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔
I mean their is one instance where both they did mostly the same thing and the difference reaction can be attributed to bias.

Ironwood telling the Vale council the truth after the Breach. Also Blake and Yang telling the truth to Robyn.
So if you agree with one and don't agree with the other that just bias.
 
random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔
Sexism and a need to lick the dictators boot. Many of them also continue to worship Adam for good measure.
 
2 weeks away!
hyped!
I'm so nervous-cited! XD

random thought
Ironwood and Sun are both characters that think they are doing the right thing, despite the issues with what they are doing, yet chunks of the fandom defend them to the last.
Meanwhile when the protagonists are doing what they feel is right despite the issues that come from their actions that same chunk of the fandom curses their name.
Thoughts? 🤔
Sexism.

Ironwood telling the Vale council the truth after the Breach. Also Blake and Yang telling the truth to Robyn.
So if you agree with one and don't agree with the other that just bias.
Blake & Yang told Robyn to help Ironwood, Ironwood went behind Ozpin's back so he could steal his job because he's so egotistical he thinks he's the only one capable of doing anything.
 
has anyone ever really pointed out Cinder being more like the Step Sisters rather than Cinderella herself?
I mean, losing a chunk of them self to achieve a goal (the sisters hacking off bits of their feet to fit the slipper, Cinder having grimm parts).
 
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Blake & Yang told Robyn to help Ironwood, Ironwood went behind Ozpin's back so he could steal his job because he's so egotistical he thinks he's the only one capable of doing anything.
Blake and Yang then also went behind Ironwood back as well. Also Robyn first appearance was an attempted robbery with her sister being in the potential crossfire. James also thought he was helping keep Vale safe so told the Vale council the truth when asked.

Since what Oz did would have gotten him in trouble in the first place. Since the Breach was a failure due to it happening in the first place in the eyes of the Vale council. Along with sending an under trained huntsmen team sending a unintended message that Oz is not taking his job seriously.
 
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You're right. Robins first appearance was a robbery. And Ironwood got away with it.

And Blake and Yang were trying to help Ironwood. Ironwood was shanking his friend in the back.
 
Blake and Yang then also went behind Ironwood back as well. Also Robyn first appearance was an attempted robbery with her sister being in the potential crossfire. James also thought he was helping keep Vale safe so told the Vale council the truth when asked.

Since what Oz did would have gotten him in trouble in the first place. Since the Breach was a failure due to it happening in the first place in the eyes of the Vale council. Along with sending an under trained huntsmen team sending a unintended message that Oz is not taking his job seriously.

Bees did what they did to try and deescalate the issue. They did not want the fight, they did not want to risk the chance of getting to the point where they had to do to Robyn what they did to Adam.
Robyn's debut was a mix of things. If Clover complied and answered questions, or at least turned around and sent the materials to Mantle where they were meant to go then there would of been no problem. The ambush was only if Clover refused. Robyn gave them chances to come clean going with the violent option. As for Ruby being in the cross fire I think it's clear Yang did not hold anything against Robyn for a few reasons. 1 - Trust in her sister/leader and 2 - she and Blake could tell Robyn was just trying to help and trying to protect her city. So at the end no real reason for Yang to hold a grudge.

As for the Breach, it was still scheduled for later, but happened when it did when Ruby was unlucky and got caught and the plans of all parties fell by the way side. Meanwhile if Ironwood had gotten his wish and got to send a group out they would of been seen before they even got close to the hidden area. And then the Breach would of happened sooner, but the initial damage and number of grimm would of been greater, and the Atlas force would of been miles away and would take longer to help in the end. In short the whole ordeal would of been worse. In other words, Oz's choice turned out to be the better one.
 
So this is mostly an idle aside, but it has occurred to me why Ironwood's "Send my army directly at the enemy camp" Isn't totally stupid within the world of Remnant, but is still wrong headed.

Here's the thing, Salem's minions control over Grim is obviously limited if the lollypop guild is aware of it at all. So Ironwood thinks he'll be facing a dug in enemy base with 'maybe' some extra Grimm heading his way.

Within that frame, just sending his army to steam roll the enemy isn't totally foolish, its unexpected, if they try to flee they can't run faster than he can pursue and they may get attacked by Grimm doing so.

However that also relies on his enemies being cretins who are dumber than him, which given his arrogance and belief in Atlas superiority is likely what he thinks.

Because it relies on them not having traps that may disrupt his army, there being no unexpected threats like the Wyvern, and them not having some other avenue of escape, which they did have and would have led to a far more successful Breach.

So yeah, less "Oh big dumb dumb" and more "Jingoistic egotist".

has anyone ever really pointed out Cinder being more like the Step Sisters rather than Cinderella herself?
I mean, losing a chunk of them self to achieve a goal (the sisters hacking off bits of their feet to fit the slipper, Cinder having grimm parts).
That's an interesting thought there to be sure, kudos.

Blake and Yang then also went behind Ironwood back as well. Also Robyn first appearance was an attempted robbery with her sister being in the potential crossfire. James also thought he was helping keep Vale safe so told the Vale council the truth when asked.

Since what Oz did would have gotten him in trouble in the first place. Since the Breach was a failure due to it happening in the first place in the eyes of the Vale council. Along with sending an under trained huntsmen team sending a unintended message that Oz is not taking his job seriously.
As noted to help Ironwood not steal his job. Ironwood was the one doing the robbing. He was not asked, he went behind Ozpin's back.

If you have to create a bunch of none canon details to justify your characters actions, its kinda clear you don't have a strong argument.
 
As for the Breach, it was still scheduled for later,

Funny thing there, it was only a few days early. I never realized until recently, but it was always meant to happen before the tournament. Make Oz look incompetent, put Ironwood in charge of security. As it is, if Ironwood hadn't decided to go behind Ozpins back to the Council, Oz would have actually looked on top of the situation.
 
As for the Breach, it was still scheduled for later, but happened when it did when Ruby was unlucky and got caught and the plans of all parties fell by the way side. Meanwhile if Ironwood had gotten his wish and got to send a group out they would of been seen before they even got close to the hidden area. And then the Breach would of happened sooner, but the initial damage and number of grimm would of been greater, and the Atlas force would of been miles away and would take longer to help in the end. In short the whole ordeal would of been worse. In other words, Oz's choice turned out to be the better one.
Oz had to bypass the safety measure of the mission board to even get RWBY to take part of the mission at MT Glenn. To the Vale council the Breach was a failure due to Oz sending undertrained team sent on a mission not meant for first year students. Which to them showed negligence. If Oz sent a team of huntsmen with years of experience it would still be bad but it would have shown that he was taking the seriously.

Bees did what they did to try and deescalate the issue. They did not want the fight, they did not want to risk the chance of getting to the point where they had to do to Robyn what they did to Adam.
Robyn's debut was a mix of things. If Clover complied and answered questions, or at least turned around and sent the materials to Mantle where they were meant to go then there would of been no problem. The ambush was only if Clover refused. Robyn gave them chances to come clean going with the violent option. As for Ruby being in the cross fire I think it's clear Yang did not hold anything against Robyn for a few reasons. 1 - Trust in her sister/leader and 2 - she and Blake could tell Robyn was just trying to help and trying to protect her city. So at the end no real reason for Yang to hold a grudge.
Yes they did try to help in what they thought was right. So did Ironwood since to him and the Vale council it looked like Oz wasn't taking security seriously. I agree that Ironwood plan would not work well and any failure on that is solely on him.


As noted to help Ironwood not steal his job. Ironwood was the one doing the robbing. He was not asked, he went behind Ozpin's back.

If you have to create a bunch of none canon details to justify your characters actions, its kinda clear you don't have a strong argument.
Yes he was asked by the Vale council who called the Atlas council to ask if Ironwood can handle security for the festival.



What non canon details that Oz sent a first year team who are in their second semester to mission that was restricted to them at MT Glenn. That they failed to stop the Breach in the first place. That looks bad for Ozpin cause to the council it looks like Oz sent undertrained huntresses to a mission above their skill level who's failure allowed the Breach to happen.

Is it Ironwood telling what happened to the Vale council? Maybe I remember that wrong. Rewatching the breach it appears Ironwood had nothing to do with his appointment of security other than accepting the position offered by the council. So in that instance Ironwood didn't go behind any bodies back.

Edit :Sorry if it's a bit scrambled writing on mobile.
 
Ironwood went to the Vale Council. They didn't approach him. The council says as much at the end of volume 2. This is after Ironwood wanted to send the fleet to Mountan Glenn, and Ozpin pointed out that it made more sense to send scouts.
 
Ironwood went to the Vale Council. They didn't approach him. The council says as much at the end of volume 2.
Yeah, considering how it was the Breach, the Council kinda wanted answers and Ironwood went up to them to tell them what he knew.
Oz had to bypass the safety measure of the mission board to even get RWBY to take part of the mission at MT Glenn.
I should also add that they nearly died in that mission to boot.
 
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