RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

kokuenDG · May 1, 2022

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

I just watched the hbomberguy video on RWBY and found myself agreeing with almost all of it.

I can't really comment on if later seasons were better, because I stopped watching not long after his review leaves off.

Not wanting to watch a 2.5 hour media critique is pretty understandable, though.

I just like to put on videos like that while I draw.

VolantRedX said:
Does he actually say that? Because like that's super dumb.

Nah. That's a misrepresentation of the argument, which is that the show didn't know how to handle the White Fang except to make them faceless baddies who the audience shouldn't feel bad about the protagonists killing, which was unnecessary because they already had monsters which filled that role without all the baggage.

edit:
Or... could have filled, anyway. Something that bothered me and hbomb didn't really bring up is how the grimm were presented as basically no threat prior to, IIRC, the Season 3 finale. This bugged me from, like, the first bit of RWBY material I ever saw.

"Hey, you like werewolves. Here's a cool animated fight scene with werewolves."
"Hm. I see they're being effortlessly slaughtered by an anime girl."

Darmani · Jul 29, 2020

Gears said:
I'm going to watch the video later since Hbomb is usually quite decent in his takes, but there's some things RWBY can't really "grow out of" since it got itself stuck in them. The white fang is probably the worst offender there.

Aside from one aside I think he has a legitimate criticism of the faunus. And its the disclaimer he betrays when he really gets going. Seriously
RWBY isn't just any show its courted and depended on fan praise, investment, and support so naturally larger fanbacklash happens. And bomberguy pointing out only acknowledging bad behavior and associating it with criticism is an easy close out trick. ANYONE can use it. Its why I'm not sympathetic to RT for any criticism they receive or feel guilt for misbehavior by fans mitigates or factors more. They don't want to listen because they've been burned? cool. I DARE they pull the take their ball and go home threat that underlies.
It won't happen, not now, at least not more than already intended. So in that case*shrugs*&
That said a MASSIVE inaccuracy with RWBY ep1 'ripping off' Korra ep 1 so take bomberguy's criticism with a grain of salt. But then I think I know what his defence for that will be.
Its don't be mean to the creator all the way down *except for when my product does it*

VolantRedX said:
I see no need to address him at all

Sure just when do, like now, do so in good faith as to "by platform tho are dismissed"

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Darmani said:
Aside from one aside I think he has a legitimate criticism of the faunus. And its the disclaimer he betrays when he really gets going. Seriously

Yeah, that part was weird. :thonk:

Real "No, I'm done... and another thing!!" energy.

Darmani said:
That said a MASSIVE inaccuracy with RWBY ep1 'ripping off' Korra ep 1

Could you explain this part?

Even if he was wrong about that, it was more a peripheral point than a central one, unless you have reason to believe he misrepresented it on purpose...?

Darmani · Jul 29, 2020

Matrix Dragon said:
And useless. Normally self inserts are actually useful

In fanfiction yes. None? Usually like Jaune or Neptune. Likeable or naively inoffessive. OR the actual lead (Sailor Moon)

gman391 said:
I respect the CRWBY

I don't any more than the crew of Two and Half Men, Batwoman, NCIS (another spinoff), and etc. EVERY production crew is full of creative people giving their best and love and made of people. And pretending I admire them personally is just as fictious as me hating them. I just don't hate them because I'm told not to AND its fruitless and I don't know them
Just like I'm not guilty of "using a dead man to insult his friends" I am not considerate of those who empathise for such bad action being reflective of that experience of all criticism anyone gives the of the show, fans, or crew unless they are doing so.
And at the least in bomberguy's point he if not says gestures to why there is a strict divide on who worked and did what emphasized by interviews and secondary material. At the least I would say When in Mounty's court his weaknesses were much better covered. their's becomes more self evident.
Mind I don't think Monty's vision would be good/better because he wasn't that good a writer. But with his loss WAS a quality element of the show and it undermined alot appeal going forward that wasn't replaced.
People take these personal experiences and turn them into shibboleth. As to learn "don't be a dick to creators and speak with your own thought out words as best you can"
And I'm sorry but if the dicks have the right calls and you say "You can't remind me of them" you are weaponizing your trauma to PREVENT recovery, not sharing to make sure I don't prevent or undermine it.

Ralson said:
Could you explain this part?

Ruby Rose published July 18th, 2013
"Welcome to Republic City" first episode of Book One: Air of The Legend of Korra and the first of the series debuted online on March 24, 2012

Given production stuff? doubt they were "ripping off" Korra.

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

.... (--) (OO) What the heck am I even reading?

Whatever, have some Blake meta everyone who is actually here for the show:

gman391 · Jul 29, 2020

@Darmani
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Your formatting is all over the place

But to make a guess, you don't like people saying they respect the hard work of others for some reason? Like I didn't say that RWBY was without flaw. Just that I think it was a hard decision to keep making the show in light of the very vocal hatedom it has accrued.

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Darmani said:
Ruby Rose published July 18th, 2013
"Welcome to Republic City" first episode of Book One: Air of The Legend of Korra and the first of the series debuted online on March 24, 2012

Given production stuff? doubt they were "ripping off" Korra.

Nah, I think a year and four months is plenty for that to be feasible. It's not like we're talking about them ripping off the whole episode. We're talking about set dressing in one scene.

I'm pretty skeptical they planned out the details of "the scene where Ruby eats cookies but the cookies just vanish when they touch her non-animating mouth" a year and a half ahead.

On the other hand, it's not that a big deal if they lifted that set dressing. Like, who cares. But it isn't really presented as a big deal either; just one example of an element of a scene which doesn't make sense on its own in the context of the plot. Even if they'd never seen LoK, that part would be true.

Darmani · Jul 29, 2020

gman391 said:
@Darmani
I have no idea what you're trying to say

I don't like people singling out a crreative production staff as needing to be respected or treated gently unless that is a real standard someone holds to and not just signal to prove they aren't like "the bad crazy fans." Based on their product I have little respect for CRWBY. Because they don't produce something up to general standards or their best. I am not going to send death threats. But a lack of my respecting or liking them being immediately equated with such, as if I have to prove I don't, is insulting and a trap that I don't want to validate.

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Darmani said:
I don't like people singling out a crreative production staff as needing to be respected or treated gently unless that is a real standard someone holds to and not just signal to prove they aren't like "the bad crazy fans." Based on their product. I have little respect for CRWBY. Because they don't produce something up to general standards or their best. I am not going to send death threats. But a lack of my respecting or liking them being immediately equated with such, as if I have to prove I don't, is insulting and a trap that I don't want to validate.

Literally no one did that. Also if you hate the show, don't respect the creators or their efforts which you claim to understand despite not knowing any of them or as far as I am aware working in the industry, why are you here? Yeah its a free forum or whatever, but I legitimately do not understand this impulse among people who hate RWBY/RT to hover around it talking about them rather than doing something, I dunno, fun... productive maybe?

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
Literally no one did that. Also if you hate the show, don't respect the creators or their efforts which you claim to understand despite not knowing any of them or as far as I am aware working in the industry, why are you here? Yeah its a free forum or whatever, but I legitimately do not understand this impulse among people who hate RWBY/RT to hover around it talking about them rather than doing something, I dunno, fun... productive maybe?

1) What makes positive discussion more "productive" than criticism?
2) People discussing things they dislike is actually pretty normal.

Darmani · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
Also if you hate the show

Zam said:
I dunno, fun... productive

Zam said:
despite not knowing any of them

Zam said:
who hate RWBY/RT

I literally did not say that. I said I don't respect the crew on this show in judgement of their work.
This is relavent how? Can I only have a positive opinion if I don't know them? Will I be allowed a negative one when I do? What's yours? Or do you just not have one?

I am not those people. I am me. How about your respond to me or my posts. IF they are too confusing ask me questions on my thoughts. If you do not want to know them don't assign ones to me.

Your post was fun or productive? Moral castigation is moral castigation.
Now I dislike how SOME discussion happens as if needing to apologize for bad actors just for sharing their criticisms or lack of enthusiasm. SOME of the critique of the show is meaningful. A popular youtuber published a video about his and and that was subject, in this thread, I was responding to
So there. That is why I am here.

Psyga315 said:
From what I heard, he has a rather legit criticism on the White Fang.

I do not want to legitimize alot of it. But his point it was poorly handled and one aspect the ridiculousness of its validity as commentary by taking Bunny and catgirls and making them the targets of oppression while the society poorly reflects it is...
I haven't liked the faunus from the go and no one has succintly articulated why. But he's close enough. replacing discrimination or ethnic tensions with characters who, lets face, it are cute and admired as a concept is...dubious as a creative decision.
Made worse with too stark characterization propelled by not just having the ability to handle it.
And if you feel Miles and Kerry take too much of the blame for the clusterfuck of the white Fang arc (including Meagerie, Haven, Adam and so many 'important parts of storytelling' collateral) I then condemn Monty Oum for it. Because no way something that prevalent and undercooked didn't come from him or he doesn't share the guilt in it and with his strengths (and weaknesses) as a creative talent He gave them a foundation of jello to work with.

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Spaghetti posting is against the rules so I don't respond to it.

Ralson said:
1) What makes positive discussion more "productive" than criticism?
2) People discussing things they dislike is actually pretty normal.

People here do criticize the show, they just also, you know, watch it which you admit you haven't done in years so I am confused why you even watched a massively out of date review and then came here to talk about it.
I don't go to my local rock cutting club and tell them rocks are shit, people who cut rocks aren't worth of respect and only ever and exclusively express contempt for everything surrounding said club.

Darmani · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
Spaghetti posting is against the rules so I don't respond to it.

literally I thought that was 'don't respond to older posts' the linked to rule doesn't mention spaghetti that was just the adjudication. *sigh* nevermind altering for rules. Thanks for heads up.

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Honestly this post is a mood:

Darmani said:
literally I thought that was 'don't respond to older posts' the linked to rule doesn't mention spaghetti that was just the adjudication. *sigh* nevermind altering for rules. Thanks for heads up.

Well I say that but now I am worried I mis-remembered but I am pretty sure I've seen people done for it. Either way the way you snipped out so much of my post makes it impossible to actually respond to you in a good faith manner on that front so I won't be doing so regardless, sorry.

Darmani said:
I do not want to legitimize alot of it. But his point it was poorly handled and one aspect the ridiculousness of its validity as commentary by taking Bunny and catgirls and making them the targets of oppression while the society poorly reflects it is...
I haven't liked the faunus from the go and no one has succintly articulated why. But he's close enough. replacing discrimination or ethnic tensions with characters who, lets face, it are cute and admired as a concept is...dubious as a creative decision.
Made worse with too stark characterization propelled by not just having the ability to handle it.
And if you feel Miles and Kerry take too much of the blame for the clusterfuck of the white Fang arc (including Meagerie, Haven, Adam and so many 'important parts of storytelling' collateral) I then condemn Monty Oum for it. Because no way something that prevalent and undercooked didn't come from him or he doesn't share the guilt in it and with his strengths (and weaknesses) as a creative talent He gave them a foundation of jello to work with.

Prejudice is not rational, animal traits being deemed cute by many people in our world has literally no bearing on whether or not people with animal traits would be accepted if they were real or existed on another world.

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
People here do criticize the show, they just also, you know, watch it which you admit you haven't done in years so I am confused why you even watched a massively out of date review and then came here to talk about it.

Lemme unpack this a bit...

1) I never said I was watching them as they aired. Like I said, the trailers didn't get me hooked. It was only later I gave it a shot.
2) I'm fine discussing stuff I watched years ago. I think almost everyone is.
3) I watched the review because I felt like it, because Hbomb talks about story structure in a way I find interesting, and then I felt like talking about it.
4) What the heck is an "out of date review"? I assume this has to do with the notion that the series changed over time, so criticism of the earlier stuff doesn't... count? Like how when Mass Effect 2 came out, nobody could talk about ME1's gameplay anymore?

Zam said:
I don't go to my local rock cutting club and tell them rocks are shit, people who cut rocks aren't worth of respect and only ever and exclusively express contempt for everything surrounding said club.

So, you consider this thread like a fanclub? Do you want people who aren't fans to go make a different thread?

ZQFMGB · Jul 29, 2020

Fair points about Ironwood, although I still think the show itself made a poor job of showing why I should be opposed to him.

The issue that hbomb points out about the White Fang, aside from the really problematic implications regarding racism, isn't that there are human villains in a series with monsters, it's that those villains are badly written and that the series didn't need them. Basically the writers gave an additional flaw to their series because they wanted to tackle an issue they don't even know how to write about correctly, when they already had villains.
He also cites some of Monty Oum's own flaws, although I guess he could've gone further in his criticism. Then again given how angry people are at him for being snarky towards the current writers (which, like, I get that it's not pleasant, but being snarky towards authors for their bad writing is fine IMO) I don't know how that would've been received.
Regarding the self-insert thing, I'm still a bit suspicious, especially given the characters' role in the story and things like the clip where Kerry goes "OH YANG IS LIKE THE IDEAL WOMAN" and the fucking body pillow of a teenage girl like wtf Miles. And even if they aren't self-inserts, they're still bad characters.

As for the length of the video... well, that's hbomberguy's thing. Personally I tend to prefer really long media analysis because it allows the critic to go into details about the plot and characters instead of just focusing on one aspect of the work or making general statements. If you don't want to watch it, it's perfectly fine, and I can see why you would, but then don't criticize it. Eespecially not by basing yourself on other people's opinions and biased reports of the video.

Zam said:
Spaghetti posting is against the rules so I don't respond to it.

I don't think what Darmani did is spaghetti posting ? Spaghetti posting would be responding to each individual quote at the same time.
And how is it impossible to respond to him ?

Zam said:
Honestly this post is a mood:

I think I get where they're coming from, but just because we like shows that are flawed doesn't mean we can't criticize other shows for having similar flaws. Of course, it would be hypocritical for people to pretend that the shows they like have none of the flaws that RWBY when they do, and I'm sure there's a lot of hypocritical criticism of RWBY out there, but that's not what hbomb does. I mean, the bits where he talks about a shonen anime is to say how terrible it is.

Besides, there's a lot of differences between "the show isn't perfect" and "the show is full of issues". I mean I personally think that both DBZ and RWBY qualify for the latter statement, but even then saying that RWBY's criticism is exagerated because no show is perfect is dubious. And yes, people have made and are making elaborate criticism of DBZ, Naruto and One Piece, hbomberguy just hasn't done it, and even then that doesn't mean he can't criticize RWBY. Should I not be allowed to criticize Avatar because I may have enjoyed Pocahontas and haven't criticized it ?

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Ralson said:
Lemme unpack this a bit...

1) I never said I was watching them as they aired. Like I said, the trailers didn't get me hooked. It was only later I gave it a shot.
2) I'm fine discussing stuff I watched years ago. I think almost everyone is.
3) I watched the review because I felt like it, and then I felt like talking about it.
4) What the heck is an "out of date review"? I assume this has to do with your arguments that the series changed over time, so criticism of the earlier stuff doesn't... count? Like how when Mass Effect 2 came out, nobody could talk about ME1's gameplay anymore?

I was noting this:

Ralson said:
I can't really comment on if later seasons were better, because I stopped watching not long after his review leaves off.

You haven't watched the show in years, why are you watching reviews, why are you here, what purpose does this serve save complaining about something you have functionally no connection to anymore or even a particular understanding of?

Games on different consoles with gameplay are worlds apart from a singular ongoing series, so the comparison falls down on its face. And frankly, when using said review to make judgement on the series and creators requires ignoring what now makes up the majority of the series I do think its reasonable to dismiss said views as out of date and ill-informed. We have long since moved passed the point where RWBY can be judged solely by its first few volumes because the majorette of it is no longer that, it and the creators have evolved dramatically, you might as well be judging Namek Saga Dragon Ball for having too many poop jokes because the first few chapters of DB had them.

Ralson said:
So, you consider this thread like a fanclub? Do you want people who aren't fans to go make a different thread?

I said rock cutting club, not fan club of rock cutting, don't add in words to mis-represent my point. IE that I don't understand why people who don't watch and or like a thing go to a place largely focused on engaging with a thing in a way that isn't just non-stop negativity when they could be doing literally anything else and also not getting in the way of people trying to engage with said thing on a level more nuanced than "Thing bad".

all fictions · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
He's really got to sstop confusing his opinions with fact, keep in mind this is a guy who doesn't know what a ribbon is, thinks you can't do dynamic action scenes on a train, completely failed to understand the Yellow Trailer, finds the prospect of people as villains inherently bad because monsters exist and is clearly just pissy that the show wasn't what he imagined it'd be based on a tech demo. The fact he has to make shit up should show how clearly unhinged from reality his complaints are and how bereft of worth his video is. He's spent more time on RWBY than I do shows I like, its deeply pathetic.

So I'm reading this, and it's so full of inaccuracies that I have to ask: did you watch the video?

I should also note that even if you disagree with someone, calling their opinions "clearly unhinged from reality" is a clear step too far. You're not just saying they are wrong, you're saying they are delusional. Honestly, your whole post seems like just insulting the guy ("pathetic", really?).

Gears · Jul 29, 2020

Ralson said:
So, you consider this thread like a fanclub? Do you want people who aren't fans to go make a different thread?

The issue is that they kinda did. But then they didn't and then they did.

Not all previous people who went with an analysis into this thread were half as kind as Hbomber. Many were way more caustic and it galvanized most of the people in this thread. Me included, it was just annoying to deal with.

ZQFMGB said:
Should I not be allowed to criticize Avatar because I may have enjoyed Pocahontas and haven't criticized it ?

That's not really what it is either. It's just weird that there's this exaggerated attention at RWBY. Dunno why but it results in the amount of critiques and such being more, or more pronounced at least.

There's being critical with the media you consume and there's being choked in reviews. RWBY stuff tends towards the latter for some reason.

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Oh and Hbomberguy did a multi-hour long video about how great Dark Souls 2 is, which Dark Souls 2 fans dislike and consider poorly researched so him not knowing what he's talking about isn't exactly a new thing.

ZQFMGB said:
Fair points about Ironwood, although I still think the show itself made a poor job of showing why I should be opposed to him.

You mean besides the police state, letting the people he's sworn to protect be slaughtered by Grimm cos he is robbing them of basic necessities for self defenses and refuses to take such resources from the rich or via trade and decided the moment he got scared he should leave everyone to die to go cower in the stratosphere despite the fact Salem is immortal, magic and can fly? Oh and he betrays his allies, neglects improving cyber security despite knowing it was compromised.

ZQFMGB said:
The issue that hbomb points out about the White Fang, aside from the really problematic implications regarding racism, isn't that there are human villains in a series with monsters, it's that those villains are badly written and that the series didn't need them. Basically the writers gave an additional flaw to their series because they wanted to tackle an issue they don't even know how to write about correctly, when they already had villains.
He also cites some of Monty Oum's own flaws, although I guess he could've gone further in his criticism. Then again given how angry people are at him for being snarky towards the current writers (which, like, I get that it's not pleasant, but being snarky towards authors for their bad writing is fine IMO) I don't know how that would've been received.
Regarding the self-insert thing, I'm still a bit suspicious, especially given the characters' role in the story and things like the clip where Kerry goes "OH YANG IS LIKE THE IDEAL WOMAN" and the fucking body pillow of a teenage girl like wtf Miles. And even if they aren't self-inserts, they're still bad characters.

As for the length of the video... well, that's hbomberguy's thing. Personally I tend to prefer really long media analysis because it allows the critic to go into details about the plot and characters instead of just focusing on one aspect of the work or making general statements. If you don't want to watch it, it's perfectly fine, and I can see why you would, but then don't criticize it. Eespecially not by basing yourself on other people's opinions and biased reports of the video.

That was literally his complaint in his intro, so I disagree. Also you thinking the villains are badly written doesn't make it so and nor does it mean it remained so.

Oh, when?

What roles? Neptune is a bit character and a borderline butt monkey, Jaune has a larger role but Miles has no part in writing his scenes.

Length doesn't translate to quality.

ZQFMGB said:
I don't think what Darmani did is spaghetti posting ? Spaghetti posting would be responding to each individual quote at the same time.
And how is it impossible to respond to him ?

They isolated tiny portions of my overall sentence and responded to three word chunks with paragraph long responses that no longer had any relation to what I said.

ZQFMGB said:
think I get where they're coming from, but just because we like shows that are flawed doesn't mean we can't criticize other shows for having similar flaws. Of course, it would be hypocritical for people to pretend that the shows they like have none of the flaws that RWBY when they do, and I'm sure there's a lot of hypocritical criticism of RWBY out there, but that's not what hbomb does. I mean, the bits where he talks about a shonen anime is to say how terrible it is.

Besides, there's a lot of differences between "the show isn't perfect" and "the show is full of issues". I mean I personally think that both DBZ and RWBY qualify for the latter statement, but even then saying that RWBY's criticism is exagerated because no show is perfect is dubious. And yes, people have made and are making elaborate criticism of DBZ, Naruto and One Piece, hbomberguy just hasn't done it, and even then that doesn't mean he can't criticize RWBY. Should I not be allowed to criticize Avatar because I may have enjoyed Pocahontas and haven't criticized it ?

They weren't only talking about him, his nonsense just brought up a lot of long simmering frustrations with the garbage fire culture that is RWBY "Criticism" coming from people with no actual grounding in media or film theory who often worship Adam, hate women, or otherwise base their complaints on shaky or hypocritical ground at best.

all fictions said:
So I'm reading this, and it's so full of inaccuracies that I have to ask: did you watch the video?

I should also note that even if you disagree with someone, calling their opinions "clearly unhinged from reality" is a clear step too far. You're not just saying they are wrong, you're saying they are delusional. Honestly, your whole post seems like just insulting the guy ("pathetic", really?).

I watched the first twenty minutes and outlined how it was nonsense & got kicked from Patreon, then saw outlines from several trusted sources all providing exactly the same information as they live watched it. If his fans aren't obligated to watch all of RWBY before watching him trash it, why am I expect to offer up several hours of my life for something I could tell was garbage from the first twenty minutes?

Given he let one of his fans repeatedly call be crazy and kicked me from Patreon for calling them out on it I'm not terribly sympathetic, also I didn't mean it to mean insane, merely that they have no grounding in anything cos he made it up. Also yes obsessing over something for seven years when it wasn't what you imagine it to be based on a tech demo is pathetic. You know what I do when I don't like a show? I stop watching it 7 find something else to amuse myself with, which I wish I could do in regards to his thinly disguised hate screed but people keep coming to the places I discuss a show I do enjoy going "He's so wise" when he's factually wrong about basic stuff.

Squirtodyle · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
Oh and Hbomberguy did a multi-hour long video about how great Dark Souls 2 is, which Dark Souls 2 fans dislike and consider poorly researched so him not knowing what he's talking about isn't exactly a new thing.

I'm still in the middle of watching the video, but I'm going to make a point here.

Taking one video of his that's potentially poorly researched is not at all a justification for declaring that he knows nothing about what he's talking about as a general rule, and it's basically poisoning the well for actual discussion. What he said about Dark Souls 2 has absolutely zero bearing on what he says about RWBY.

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Zam said:
You haven't watched the show in years, why are you watching reviews, why are you here, what purpose does this serve save complaining about something you have functionally no connection to anymore or even a particular understanding of?

You really aren't giving me the impression you read what I typed.

Zam said:
Games on different consoles with gameplay are worlds apart from a singular ongoing series, so the comparison falls down on its face. And frankly, when using said review to make judgement on the series and creators requires ignoring what now makes up the majority of the series I do think its reasonable to dismiss said views as out of date and ill-informed. We have long since moved passed the point where RWBY can be judged solely by its first few volumes because the majorette of it is no longer that, it and the creators have evolved dramatically, you might as well be judging Namek Saga Dragon Ball for having too many poop jokes because the first few chapters of DB had them.

You're taking a few different angles here, but I think I'd better keep my response simple:

RWBY Volumes 1-3 contain episodes of the show RWBY, which we can discuss.

Matrix Dragon · Jul 29, 2020

*Munches popcorn*

Zam · Jul 29, 2020

Squirtodyle said:
I'm still in the middle of watching the video, but I'm going to make a point here.

Taking one video of his that's potentially poorly researched is not at all a justification for declaring that he knows nothing about what he's talking about as a general rule, and it's basically poisoning the well for actual discussion. What he said about Dark Souls 2 has absolutely zero bearing on what he says about RWBY.

I fail to see how referencing passed work that operates in the same field as the work he is currently doing and using it to judge his skill is unreasonable, especially given his own video seems grounded in the idea that "I didn't like the early series, therefore its all bad, forever." You can't have it both ways.

Ralson said:
You really aren't giving me the impression you read what I typed.

I literally quoted you saying you haven't watched it in years and made the observation I don't understand why you're here talking about a series that holds so little interest to you and that you know so little about.

Ralson said:
ou're taking a few different angles here, but I think I'd better keep my response simple:

RWBY Volumes 1-3 contain episodes of the show RWBY, which we can discuss.

That is a rather disingenuous argument I feel as you and Hbobmerguy discuss the quality of the overall show based on the early seasons while ignoring the vast majority of the works current body.

Ralson · Jul 29, 2020

Gears said:
The issue is that they kinda did. But then they didn't and then they did.

RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Cast in the name of Pod, Ye Go Ninty

Horrible Weasel

Cast in the name of Pod, Ye Go Ninty

Horrible Weasel

Cast in the name of Pod, Ye Go Ninty

Horrible Weasel

Cast in the name of Pod, Ye Go Ninty

Cast in the name of Pod, Ye Go Ninty

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I hate you! (it's not against the rules!)

I now make shiity tanks for C&C Generals.

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