RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

[kokuenDG]

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.

 

[thesevenwielder]

It's possibly more like:

Ozpin: we have no fucking clue what will actually happen when we flip the switch and Winter is more useful as an active agent rather than a brain-dead vegetable or insane.

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Spare me. He and Qrow didn't want Winter to be part of the conspiracy at all. Forget the maiden qualifications, they dismissed her altogether. Probably because for all his talk about unity and free will, Oz does his best to exclusively surround himself with yes-men. It's at the point where I suspect that the reason the king of vale removed the concept of dynasties wasn't some sort of altruistic gesture but because he knew that he might be reborn as a nobody farmer and would have no chance of getting power in his lifetime. Maybe multiple lifetimes.

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In volume 5 he placates Yang and Jaune by saying there won't be any more lies, but he went right back to it without batting an eye in volume six. It's been at least a week since volume 5 and somehow he didn't think telling his allies 'hey, this Relic draws Grimm' was a good idea? And Ruby has been so thoroughly brainwashed by Qrow that she will shout down anyone who calls him out.

@Sunder the Gold I admit I am skeptical of your claims that Qrow was carefully interrogating Yang and Pyrrha, but even if you're right, he chose the absolute worst way to go about it, as he always does, and is alienating his allies and even his family. It's really too bad that Ruby has drunk the Kool-Aid. I suppose it's a result of being directly trained by him for years. It's practically a mirror of the relationship between Oz and Qrow. If he weren't such an asshole I would almost pity the man for how much he's been brainwashed and is continuing the cycle of abuse with Ruby.

 

[VolantRedX]

Spare me. He and Qrow didn't want Winter to be part of the conspiracy at all. Forget the maiden qualifications, they dismissed her altogether. Probably because for all his talk about unity and free will, Oz does his best to exclusively surround himself with yes-men. It's at the point where I suspect that the reason the king of vale removed the concept of dynasties wasn't some sort of altruistic gesture but because he knew that he might be reborn as a nobody farmer and would have no chance of getting power in his lifetime. Maybe multiple lifetimes.

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Why do you think Winter wouldn't be a yes man? Like she's basically Ironwood's professional bootlicker, and it'd be trivial to get that loyalty in place. Beyond that having the scion to the richest family in the world who is also a level military officer might be a little handy to have to work for you.

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In volume 5 he placates Yang and Jaune by saying there won't be any more lies, but he went right back to it without batting an eye in volume six. It's been at least a week since volume 5 and somehow he didn't think telling his allies 'hey, this Relic draws Grimm' was a good idea? And Ruby has been so thoroughly brainwashed by Qrow that she will shout down anyone who calls him out.

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Does that count as a lie? I mean it's a stupid thing not to mention, but it's hardly the same as lying. It's not even at the Obi-Wan level of only sort of being a lie. He just didn't seem to think it would be relevant. So he's merely stupid rather than malicious.

@Sunder the Gold I admit I am skeptical of your claims that Qrow was carefully interrogating Yang and Pyrrha, but even if you're right, he chose the absolute worst way to go about it, as he always does, and is alienating his allies and even his family. It's really too bad that Ruby has drunk the Kool-Aid. I suppose it's a result of being directly trained by him for years. It's practically a mirror of the relationship between Oz and Qrow. If he weren't such an asshole I would almost pity the man for how much he's been brainwashed and is continuing the cycle of abuse with Ruby.

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Dude, it was literally pointed out how it wasn't some scattershot asshole behavior but actually a well thought out series of questions done in such a way that it didn't alienat his subjects and actually did a lot to show he trusts them. Qrow even goes out of his way to show a good deal of trust after he gets the information he's after.

 

[Zam]

Why do you think Winter wouldn't be a yes man? Like she's basically Ironwood's professional bootlicker, and it'd be trivial to get that loyalty in place. Beyond that having the scion to the richest family in the world who is also a level military officer might be a little handy to have to work for you.

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Eeer, uh, sorry but when did we see Winter 'licking boot' so to speak? Like, Qrow will lash out at anyone who dares question Ozpin no matter what but we see very little of Winter and Ironwood's interaction beyond her stopping the fight when he told her to and both of them lecturing Qrow, then her accepting, grudgingly, a dismissal. Plus given she's been cut off from her father I don't see how her Schnee name means much.

 

[VolantRedX]

Eeer, uh, sorry but when did we see Winter 'licking boot' so to speak? Like, Qrow will lash out at anyone who dares question Ozpin no matter what but we see very little of Winter and Ironwood's interaction beyond her stopping the fight when he told her to and both of them lecturing Qrow, then her accepting, grudgingly, a dismissal. Plus given she's been cut off from her father I don't see how her Schnee name means much.

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That's just the read I got from their interactions. She seemed to take offense when Qrow insulted Ironwood directly after all. And while she is cut off it'd be pretty easy to find ways into Papa Schnee's good graces if that was a goal. If that didn't work the name itself has weight.

 

[thesevenwielder]

I mean Bond does a lot of really shitty things over the course of the films. He's basically a government paid killer and has the same level of empathy or emotional depth as that career path would dictate. Rick and Archer are actually a lot worse that Qrow is. Hell Archer and Qrow are basically the same characters with the sole exception that Qrow seems more socially aware.

You wanted to know why people like and support Qrow, despite his failings, and the answer is that Qrow is cool. Not in a tryhard edgy way like Adam, but in an actually cool and charming way. He comes off as an unflappable bad boy on the edge who plays by his own rules and doesn't afraid of anybody. As a rule, people find such characters appealing and interesting. See also pretty much every character Clint Eastwood has ever played.

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I can't recall most versions of Bond doing really shitty things? Could you provide examples?

I haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies but IIRC he's always distinctly been the hero and goes out of his way to save the day at great personal risk. And though he can be a jerk at times, that is not all there is to his character, and he can actually be very suave at times. Qrow has none of that charm. Most of these characters you keep listing do have their asshole moments but that is not their sole defining characteristic.

That's just the read I got from their interactions. She seemed to take offense when Qrow insulted Ironwood directly after all. And while she is cut off it'd be pretty easy to find ways into Papa Schnee's good graces if that was a goal. If that didn't work the name itself has weight.

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I don't know what your life is like, but to me respecting someone and bootlicking are two very different things.

 

[Gears]

I can't recall most versions of Bond doing really shitty things? Could you provide examples?

I haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies but IIRC he's always distinctly been the hero and goes out of his way to save the day at great personal risk. And though he can be a jerk at times, that is not all there is to his character, and he can actually be very suave at times. Qrow has none of that charm. Most of these characters you keep listing do have their asshole moments but that is not their sole defining characteristic.

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being a misogynistic arsehole is bond's entire routine. Are you sure you've seen bond movies or read flemming's novels?

Also you can google "bond arsehole" and like 10 pages or so pop up at least. You'll probably get more of you google for "misogynist" and like. There's plenty of stuff there.

 

[VolantRedX]

I can't recall most versions of Bond doing really shitty things? Could you provide examples?

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Well, he rapes Pussy Galore for one. There are the many times he's basically sat back and let his allies or the women he sleeps with die. He kills enough people to populate a small country. He constantly goes against orders, steals equipment from Q, and even seems to go out of his way to cause as much destruction as possible.

I haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies but IIRC he's always distinctly been the hero and goes out of his way to save the day at great personal risk. And though he can be a jerk at times, that is not all there is to his character, and he can actually be very suave at times. Qrow has none of that charm. Most of these characters you keep listing do have their asshole moments but that is not their sole defining characteristic.

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Nor is it Qrow's. Even if you think he's a total dick he's shown to be a capable operative, far smarter than he lets on, good with people, and loyal to his family and friends.

I don't know what your life is like, but to me respecting someone and bootlicking are two very different things.

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I'm just giving my interpretation of the characters. Just like you're doing with Qrow.

 

[Zam]

That's just the read I got from their interactions. She seemed to take offense when Qrow insulted Ironwood directly after all. And while she is cut off it'd be pretty easy to find ways into Papa Schnee's good graces if that was a goal. If that didn't work the name itself has weight.

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Given how angrily Qrow reacts to Ozpin being questioned this doesn't seem that odd and Winter seemed to retain her chill longer than Qrow does, despite her robots having just been smashed. Given what Jac is like, I would disagree and Ironwood already has an alliance with Jac that doesn't really require Winter, in fact her working for him seems to bother Jac more than help.

 

[thesevenwielder]

Well, he rapes Pussy Galore for one. There are the many times he's basically sat back and let his allies or the women he sleeps with die. He kills enough people to populate a small country. He constantly goes against orders, steals equipment from Q, and even seems to go out of his way to cause as much destruction as possible.

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The Bond you are describing is Daniel Craig. Bond is given most of his tools by Q with only a few rare exceptions . And for the most part he is given carte blanche to do what he wants in order to achieve his goal , not going against orders. And while it's a good performance, it is not in the spirit of the other movies. Yes many Bond women die, but he doesn't just sit back and watch. The people he kills? 90% of them are henchmen. That's like getting on RWBY's case or killing White Fang members by knocking them off the train into a swarm of Grimm. Forcibly kissing Pussy Galore against her will? Well yeah I'll give you that one. It's pretty scummy of him. But that's kind of an outlier. Most of the movies seem to be independent of each other, at least when they switch to a new actor. I don't recall many other Bonds acting that way.

Nor is it Qrow's. Even if you think he's a total dick he's shown to be a capable operative, far smarter than he lets on, good with people, and loyal to his family and friends.

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Umm... Capable in what way? Good at fighting? Sure, but what else? Good with people? You serious? Nobody likes him outside Oz and Ruby. He is tolerated at most by everyone else, even Yang and Tai. And he's not exactly loyal to his family outside Ruby, and even that's iffy given he manipulated her to run off to Mistral against an unknown threat.

being a misogynistic arsehole is bond's entire routine.

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[Tython82]

The Bond you are describing is Daniel Craig. Bond is given most of his tools by Q with only a few rare exceptions . And for the most part he is given carte blanche to do what he wants in order to achieve his goal , not going against orders. And while it's a good performance, it is not in the spirit of the other movies. Yes many Bond women die, but he doesn't just sit back and watch. The people he kills? 90% of them are henchmen. That's like getting on RWBY's case or killing White Fang members by knocking them off the train into a swarm of Grimm. Forcibly kissing Pussy Galore against her will? Well yeah I'll give you that one. It's pretty scummy of him. But that's kind of an outlier. Most of the movies seem to be independent of each other, at least when they switch to a new actor. I don't recall many other Bonds acting that way.


Umm... Capable in what way? Good at fighting? Sure, but what else? Good with people? You serious? Nobody likes him outside Oz and Ruby. He is tolerated at most by everyone else, even Yang and Tai. And he's not exactly loyal to his family outside Ruby, and even that's iffy given he manipulated her to run off to Mistral against an unknown threat.

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You have obvisously not read the original novels by Ian Fleming then since in the novels he is a very different character.

 

[VolantRedX]

The Bond you are describing is Daniel Craig. Bond is given most of his tools by Q with only a few rare exceptions . And for the most part he is given carte blanche to do what he wants in order to achieve his goal , not going against orders. And while it's a good performance, it is not in the spirit of the other movies. Yes many Bond women die, but he doesn't just sit back and watch. The people he kills? 90% of them are henchmen. That's like getting on RWBY's case or killing White Fang members by knocking them off the train into a swarm of Grimm. Forcibly kissing Pussy Galore against her will? Well yeah I'll give you that one. It's pretty scummy of him. But that's kind of an outlier. Most of the movies seem to be independent of each other, at least when they switch to a new actor. I don't recall many other Bonds acting that way.

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The second most recent film Bond has a very creepy sex scene with a former child sex slave. He hasn't changed that much.

Umm... Capable in what way? Good at fighting? Sure, but what else? Good with people? You serious? Nobody likes him outside Oz and Ruby. He is tolerated at most by everyone else, even Yang and Tai. And he's not exactly loyal to his family outside Ruby, and even that's iffy given he manipulated her to run off to Mistral against an unknown threat.

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Sunder just gave you two very well thought out examples, with in-text support, that shows that Qrow is able to gain a great deal out of people he's talking to by getting them to open up to him and trust him. That takes years of practice. As for loyalty, he clearly cares about Yang just as much as Ruby even if they're not as close. Qrow even calls out Raven for claiming to support her family despite the fact she ran out on Yang and never once talked to her since.

 

[Gears]

The Bond you are describing is Daniel Craig. Bond is given most of his tools by Q with only a few rare exceptions . And for the most part he is given carte blanche to do what he wants in order to achieve his goal , not going against orders. And while it's a good performance, it is not in the spirit of the other movies. Yes many Bond women die, but he doesn't just sit back and watch. The people he kills? 90% of them are henchmen. That's like getting on RWBY's case or killing White Fang members by knocking them off the train into a swarm of Grimm. Forcibly kissing Pussy Galore against her will? Well yeah I'll give you that one. It's pretty scummy of him. But that's kind of an outlier. Most of the movies seem to be independent of each other, at least when they switch to a new actor. I don't recall many other Bonds acting that way.


Umm... Capable in what way? Good at fighting? Sure, but what else? Good with people? You serious? Nobody likes him outside Oz and Ruby. He is tolerated at most by everyone else, even Yang and Tai. And he's not exactly loyal to his family outside Ruby, and even that's iffy given he manipulated her to run off to Mistral against an unknown threat.

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Mr James "Koreans rank lower then apes" & "They're gay till they meet my dick" Bond has a pretty outspoken character which you should be able to grasp reading or watching goldfinger alone.

Ian flemming's works are rife with sexism and racism and the adaptions have toned it down, but not much. When faced with a villain tie up a sex-slave and place some scotch on her head before shooting her, we still just get "waste of good scotch".

Just please google it for yourself. There's plenty of stuff out there.

 

[thesevenwielder]

You have obvisously not read the original novels by Ian Fleming then since in the novels he is a very different character.

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So I hear. And frankly the Ian Fleming novels don't interest me. I am going off the pop culture version of bond, the one established by the non Daniel Craig movies.

The second most recent film Bond has a very creepy sex scene with a former child sex slave. He hasn't changed that much.

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Yeah, the Craig movies are pretty dumb. But I am thinking of the Bond popularized by Roger Moore, Sean Conneryb Pierce Brosnan, etc. That characterization is very different than the Ian Fleming and Daniel Craig films.

Sunder just gave you two very well thought out examples, with in-text support, that shows that Qrow is able to gain a great deal out of people he's talking to by getting them to open up to him and trust him. That takes years of practice. As for loyalty, he clearly cares about Yang just as much as Ruby even if they're not as close. Qrow even calls out Raven for claiming to support her family despite the fact she ran out on Yang and never once talked to her since.

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Not loyal enough to not toss Ruby to the wolves though. Not loyal enough to actually give Yang any sort of support after she lost her arm. Not loyal enough to tell Yang the information he knows she's been looking for practically her entire life. And not loyal enough to put his family over Oz.

Ian flemming's works are rife with sexism and racism and the adaptions have toned it down, but not much. When faced with a villain tie up a sex-slave and place some scotch on her head before shooting her, we still just get "waste of good scotch".

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Looking man I get you're trying to have some sort of gotcha moment but any reasonable reading of my post would show that I am thinking of the version of James Bond popularized by the non-Craig movies. The Ian Fleming novels are pretty obscure by comparison.

 

[VolantRedX]

Not loyal enough to not toss Ruby to the wolves though. Not loyal enough to actually give Yang any sort of support after she lost her arm. Not loyal enough to tell Yang the information he knows she's been looking for practically her entire life. And not loyal enough to put his family over Oz.

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Ok two things with "throwing Ruby to the wolves" for one he was following her the whole time to make sure she was alright but kept his distance to avoid having her be affected by his semblance, which he said outright. Secondly Ruby isn't some random girl, she's a trained fighter and so are the people traveling with her. She's able to hold her own in a fight.

As for not giving Yang support, well he left that up to her father while he dealt with the issue of the world ending monster trying to steal an artifact of unspeakable power. Also given that he clearly thinks Raven is a scumbag, why would he tell Yang where to find her? She was better off without her, but telling her that wouldn't have worked. Sometimes it's better to give out a comforting lie than a harsh truth.

 

[Zam]

Also given that he clearly thinks Raven is a scumbag, why would he tell Yang where to find her? She was better off without her, but telling her that wouldn't have worked. Sometimes it's better to give out a comforting lie than a harsh truth.

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More an aside, but he actually said he was going to point Yang in the right directions after that thing with Mercury if I recall, though apparently the reason he never told Yang about Raven is cos Tai didn't want him to, which given Yang was fighting gangs to find a murderous bandit feels pretty irresponsible of both of them to not just say "She's a vicious murderer and ditched you because she was too lazy to be a parent."

 

[Gears]

Yeah, the Craig movies are pretty dumb. But I am thinking of the Bond popularized by Roger Moore, Sean Conneryb Pierce Brosnan, etc. That characterization is very different than the Ian Fleming and Daniel Craig films.

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Could you at least attempt to rationalize your choices instead of narrowing the scope endlessly until you find something that works? The whole pussy galore thing is but one of many misogynistic scenes, and you're kind of skipping over it in turn just to justify the "oh he snarks sometimes but he has his charm" derail.

It's completely alright to just say you haven't dug in to a degree to find the things Bond does disturbing or notice them easily. That's part of the film's core presentation. Covering the arsehole for public conveyance. But having this entire argument to try and redefine james bond just because you want to place qrow in a bracket beneath bond is arguably asinine in it's conception since they were only mildly compared as part of the edge-lord/asshole appeal genre.

 

[thesevenwielder]

Ok two things with "throwing Ruby to the wolves" for one he was following her the whole time to make sure she was alright but kept his distance to avoid having her be affected by his semblance, which he said outright.

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Which he discards in v5-6, so...

As for not giving Yang support, well he left that up to her father while he dealt with the issue of the world ending monster trying to steal an artifact of unspeakable power. Also given that he clearly thinks Raven is a scumbag, why would he tell Yang where to find her? She was better off without her, but telling her that wouldn't have worked.

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Yang has a good head on her shoulders. If he said outright hey, Raven is a murderous POS who runs a bandit camp that would be far more effective at dissuading Yang then keeping secrets from her. But as we have already established, Qrow is far from the sharpest tool in the shed.

Sometimes it's better to give out a comforting lie than a harsh truth.

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But consider this. Yang would have found out sooner or later. She is willing to go so far as interrogate an information broker and beat up a small army of thugs, so she clearly doesn't have many scruples when it comes to dealing with criminals to get what she wants. If she finds out Raven's location on her own, there is a strong chance that she would run off to confront Raven by herself without telling anyone. By giving Yang that information in a controlled environment, there is a very strong chance that Yang wouldn't do anything of the sort.




Also does this count as spaghetti posting? I don't I think it counts as spaghetti posting and frankly I think the rules about it are stupid but I don't want to get an infraction

Could you at least attempt to rationalize your choices instead of narrowing the scope endlessly until you find something that works? The whole pussy galore thing is but one of many misogynistic scenes, and you're kind of skipping over it in turn just to justify the "oh he snarks sometimes but he has his charm" derail.

It's completely alright to just say you haven't dug in to a degree to find the things Bond does disturbing or notice them easily. That's part of the film's core presentation. Covering the arsehole for public conveyance. But having this entire argument to try and redefine james bond just because you want to place qrow in a bracket beneath bond is arguably asinine in it's conception since the characters don't even share a genre and were only mildly compared as part of the edge-lord/asshole appeal genre.

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No. Cut it out. I have made it clear from the outset that I am thinking of the version of James Bond popularized by the older movies. Stop engaging in whataboutism

 

[Gears]

Which he discards in v5-6, so...


No. Cut it out. I have made it clear from the outset that I am thinking of the version of James Bond popularized by the older movies. Stop engaging in whataboutism

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That is the exact version i am talking about. Sean Connery's james bond. It's literally the example i used. Sean Connery's Goldfinger bond.

Please actually read what i'm putting out.

It's like you're trying to burn a specific ant with a microscope but missing the large trial of ants in front and behind it.

And also as a general rule of thumb the newer bonds make a light effort to remain consonant within popular culture and are therefore generally less creepier then the older bond movies which did not have that filter. They're still hella off sometimes but still.

 

[VolantRedX]

Which he discards in v5-6, so...

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Because they're in a single location, he's badly hurt, and they need his direct help. The situation evolved and he evolved with it.

Yang has a good head on her shoulders. If he said outright hey, Raven is a murderous POS who runs a bandit camp that would be far more effective at dissuading Yang then keeping secrets from her. But as we have already established, Qrow is far from the sharpest tool in the shed.



But consider this. Yang would have found out sooner or later. She is willing to go so far as interrogate an information broker and beat up a small army of thugs, so she clearly doesn't have many scruples when it comes to dealing with criminals to get what she wants. If she finds out Raven's location on her own, there is a strong chance that she would run off to confront Raven by herself without telling anyone. By giving Yang that information in a controlled environment, there is a very strong chance that Yang wouldn't do anything of the sort.

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Yes, she would have found out, likely after finishing Huntress school. She interrogates Junior but then focuses on school and doesn't worry about it until Raven pops back into her life. She even tells Blake about the risks of becoming obsessed. Qrow likely figured that she'd learn about it when she was a fully trained huntress and more than capable of handling herself, whereas if he told her five years earlier she might run off and be unprepared to handle things. She tried before when she was a kid, so it's not insane to think she might act first think second while still a teen.

 

[ShadowEMT]

Mr James "Koreans rank lower then apes" & "They're gay till they meet my dick" Bond has a pretty outspoken character which you should be able to grasp reading or watching goldfinger alone.

Ian flemming's works are rife with sexism and racism and the adaptions have toned it down, but not much. When faced with a villain tie up a sex-slave and place some scotch on her head before shooting her, we still just get "waste of good scotch".

Just please google it for yourself. There's plenty of stuff out there.

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Actually as I seem so far the most accurate depiction of book Bond in any piece of Media so far is Sterling Archer.

If you remove most of his sexism, racism and homophobia.

 

[Gears]

Actually as I seem so far the most accurate depiction of book Bond in any piece of Media so far is Sterling Archer.

If you remove most of his sexism, racism and homophobia.

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That's pretty much it yeah. Archer was always just a magnification of the existing bond character.

 

[Sunder the Gold]

Eeer, uh, sorry but when did we see Winter 'licking boot' so to speak? Like, Qrow will lash out at anyone who dares question Ozpin no matter what but we see very little of Winter and Ironwood's interaction beyond her stopping the fight when he told her to and both of them lecturing Qrow, then her accepting, grudgingly, a dismissal. Plus given she's been cut off from her father I don't see how her Schnee name means much.

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I disagree with characterization Qrow's defenses of Ozpin uniformly as "lashing out", but agree about Winter. We haven't seen any sign that she's slavishly or thoughtlessly loyal to Ironwood.

 

[The Narrator]

I mean her name is Winter.

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By that logic, Ruby's mother was the Summer Maiden because her name was Summer. In which case her last dying thoughts were probably of her daughter, so Ruby should be the Summer Maiden. Which, admittedly, I'd much prefer as a source for Ruby's powers over introducing some vaguely-defined new set of magic related to silver eyes. But that doesn't seem to be what they're going for, and having a name that happens to be a season isn't much of an indicator.

I haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies but IIRC he's always distinctly been the hero and goes out of his way to save the day at great personal risk.

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You clearly haven't watched many Clint Eastwood movies. Clint Eastwood made his career playing anti-heroes. The spaghetti westerns that he starred in were notable for averting the black-and-white morality of the classic westerns in favor of moral ambiguity. At the start of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly he's a con artist "catching" and then freeing the same wanted criminal over and over again to keep collecting the bounty. In High Plains Drifter he pretty much rapes a woman.

I have made it clear from the outset that I am thinking of the version of James Bond popularized by the older movies.

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That excuse is not going to fly. It was Sean Connery's Bond that ambushed Pussy Galore in a barn, wrestled her to the ground and forced himself on the ground while she struggled in Goldfinger (and this is actually toned down from the original novel where she was a lesbian and being raped by Bond "cured" her) and blackmails a physical therapist into sleeping with him in Thunderball. In Diamonds Are Forever he strangles a woman with her own bra and doesn't care when a couple henchmen throw his date out a tenth-story window. Early film James Bond was quite the prick.

 

[Strypgia]

The Bond derail can die out.

 

[Delphisage]

So how many episodes is this Season gonna be?