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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • WhoAmEye said:
    Imagine character development but on a company scale. It's possible something different might happen this time, such as learning from past mistakes. They've had an awful lot of time and feedback to work with, after all.
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    The thing is... RT has been regressing as the series goes on, as it feels like. Things like proper animation budgeting, actually properly using cliffhangers, balancing subplots, providing actual representation, etc. have bene problems since early on. Sometimes volumes 1 or 2, but volume 3 at the latest. Miles and co. haven't strictly improved on almost any of these things, in fact, if anything, they seem to be getting worse about them and adding new issues on top. The closest they've come to a solid fix, outside broad improvements in VA work, is animation quality and even there they really just changed the nature of the issue rather than fixing the problem. Like on some level having faith that people or companies can change is admirable, but you need to have that willingness there and Miles and friends just... haven't shown that at all to me.
     
    I believe they can change.
    But do I believe they will change? Mmmmm... much less so. But, a girl can hope.
     
    @WhoAmEye You didn't make another argument in your post though. There's nothing to address that I haven't already.

    And if you are doubtful that they will improve, then why did you even start disagreeing with me in the first place? Seems pretty unnecessary to me.
     
    Because whether or not they'll improve is irrelevant to me disagreeing with you and wishing to express such.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    @WhoAmEye @VolantRedX it was more of a statement in general. Understand that any good fight scene needs to have meaning behind it. Even a relatively badly choreographed fight scene can be good if there is a lot of weight and meaning behind it. So I am wondering what the purpose behind this is. Apparently the reason there was only a single short this year was because they take up necessary budget for the show, but if that is the case then why Adam? It does nothing to develop his character and just portrays him as the shithead always is. Was he once noble like Blake claim? Nope, always a dick. For that matter, what did she see in him in the first place , because the only time they interact is her already criticizing his violent methods. The Adam short was a whole lot of nothing that they spent a not-insignificant portion of the budget on, which concerns me for future appearances of Adam. That is why I remarked negatively about the budget in relation to Adam killing two mooks. The season hasn't even properly started yet and they've started on a bad note.
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    I mean you yourself was arguing constantly that they've done little sell you on Adam being a threat. I mean you say that him killing two random mooks doesn't change that, but it does help to establish why most normal people consider Adam a dangerous person. Like if you're as strong as Qrow or Blake or anyone than it's different but they're clearly addressing the idea that Adam is a major threat to the average person, and that it'd take people like team RWBY to even stand a chance at stopping him. I mean feel free to not view it that way, but to me that seems to have been their goal in these last few teasers.

    thesevenwielder said:
    2. It's certainly possible that RT could improve. But after five whole years I am skeptical. There are only so many times you can give a company 'second chances' or the benefit of the doubt. If they haven't improved that aspect of the show after five whole volumes, why are you giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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    I have to ask, and I don't mean this as a personal attack on you but why do you care? Like if you don't think RT will ever improve and you clearly dislike much of the show's story, character, and direction why do you choose to spend so much time thinking about it? What are you anticipating here? If you don't like where the show started, and you don't think it will get better why watch? Why spend so much of your precious free time discussing the show? What about the show in it's current form draws your attention and makes you want to spend so much time analyzing it.

    Broken Base said:
    The thing is... RT has been regressing as the series goes on, as it feels like. Things like proper animation budgeting, actually properly using cliffhangers, balancing subplots, providing actual representation, etc. have bene problems since early on. Sometimes volumes 1 or 2, but volume 3 at the latest. Miles and co. haven't strictly improved on almost any of these things, in fact, if anything, they seem to be getting worse about them and adding new issues on top. The closest they've come to a solid fix, outside broad improvements in VA work, is animation quality and even there they really just changed the nature of the issue rather than fixing the problem. Like on some level having faith that people or companies can change is admirable, but you need to have that willingness there and Miles and friends just... haven't shown that at all to me.
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    I feel the opposite. Honestly as dickish as this sounds it seems like they've only really found their footing when they no longer work with Monty or his notes. The biggest issues about the setting, worldbuilding and even character direction are from him or his original vision. Without him and without his notes they've finally seem to have settled on an actual arc and plot progression with several characters going through major arcs and getting a general theme for the show.
     
    Broken Base said:
    The thing is... RT has been regressing as the series goes on, as it feels like. Things like proper animation budgeting, actually properly using cliffhangers, balancing subplots, providing actual representation, etc. have bene problems since early on. Sometimes volumes 1 or 2, but volume 3 at the latest. Miles and co. haven't strictly improved on almost any of these things, in fact, if anything, they seem to be getting worse about them and adding new issues on top. The closest they've come to a solid fix, outside broad improvements in VA work, is animation quality and even there they really just changed the nature of the issue rather than fixing the problem. Like on some level having faith that people or companies can change is admirable, but you need to have that willingness there and Miles and friends just... haven't shown that at all to me.
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    Completely disagree. The budget was a total mess in Volumes 1 and 2, and the subplots were terribly balanced (hey, let's spend 4 episodes on 'Jaune struggles with school'!). I agree that V5 was a step back in some areas (mostly in pacing, which was all over the place), but the animation quality was very high, the choreography (with the exception of the subpar Haven battle, and the brothers fox vs Ghira) was generally pretty good (though the lower number of fights I think contributes to the image that V5's fights were bad), and the character development of Yang and Blake was really well done. Especially when compared to the idiotic mess that Volume 1 is, or the nightmare of stupidity that Monty's ego turned Volume 2 into.
     
    I'll admit, even if there are still real problems that are both new and old, they've successfully avoided doing anything as stupid and frustrating as the Breach.
     
    Adding time magic on top of everything else that is explicitly magical in the setting (as opposed to soul magic bullshit, which is considered normal) is going to be.... interesting, to say the least.
     
    WhoAmEye said:
    Adding time magic on top of everything else that is explicitly magical in the setting (as opposed to soul magic bullshit, which is considered normal) is going to be.... interesting, to say the least.
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    I mean, Ozpin is pretty much the one person it would make sense to be able to do something like that. He is the source of the Maidens, after all.
     
    I think that really should be in spoiler blocks. We're talking a teaser of abilities for a season that hasn't begun yet.
     
    I would just like to note that the teaser for the fight scene with Adam mirrors the one in his trailer with the distinction he now isn't even pretending he wants to do anything but kill people.

    If one wanted to be generous we could even say the lighting and corridor aspect serves as a callback to the Black Trailer. Same with the progression of him being with Blake then Sienna then finally alone, with his degeneracy being evident in that he fights humans the same way he fought those robots...albeit just a lot slower paced.

    Then again, RWBY has always had a sort of fighting game feel where the last thing in a combo lingers just a bit longer then it really needs to so we can get an impact so it may be that without the contrast between that and extremely speed of their normal actions the whole production feels much slower then it actually is.
     
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    In regards to the fighting game feel, I know in seasons 1-3 I could see a heavy Dead Or Alive influence in the fight scenes, and Monty did make Dead Fantasy so DoA was an influence on him.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Wonder if this means the show will be more darker given how it won't need to adhere to Youtube censors.
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    I doubt it. I don't see RWBY ever going anywhere near as dark as, say, Rick & Morty can get, and Adult Swim has plenty of clips of that show on its Youtube account.

    I don't think that RT has ever felt like censorship was stifling the show, so there'd be no real impetus for them to make it darker just because it didn't have to go on Youtube.
     
    WhoAmEye said:
    Adding time magic on top of everything else that is explicitly magical in the setting (as opposed to soul magic bullshit, which is considered normal) is going to be.... interesting, to say the least.
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    What's the over/under one of the folks at RT watched a youtube clip of Kira activating Bites the Dust and go, "Yeah, we can totally do that just as well"?
     
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