RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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I don't think he's enough of a dick to ditch his team and his school just to get into Blake's pants. Especially since there's nothing saying he can't try to get together with her when the Kingdom isn't on fire.
The question is not 'is he a dick enough to' but 'are the writers basically heteronormative enough to push this despite it making no sense'.

The answer is yes. Yes they are.
 
The question is not 'is he a dick enough to' but 'are the writers basically heteronormative enough to push this despite it making no sense'.

The answer is yes. Yes they are.
Oh great. So we're entering that territory now. Lovely. What's next? Jaune is Miles OC and Team RWBY is his harem?

FYI if we accept the premise that you're asking a legit question the answer is "that remains to be seen". The fun thing about making definitive statements about future events that you have no control over is that it can get really embarrassing in retrospect. Kind of tempted to save your post for posterity now.
 
Oh great. So we're entering that territory now. Lovely. What's next? Jaune is Miles OC and Team RWBY is his harem?

FYI if we accept the premise that you're asking a legit question the answer is "that remains to be seen". The fun thing about making definitive statements about future events that you have no control over is that it can get really embarrassing in retrospect. Kind of tempted to save your post for posterity now.
I'm one of Miles' biggest defenders. He's a really good writer, and he gets way too much flak for Jaune. No, RWBY is not his harem. I love RWBY. If you look at my post history, you'll see I've gotten in trouble because I often love RWBY too much and have difficulty articulating this, especially when combined with my depression that makes arguing about this shit really stressful.

That being said, one of the criticisms I can level at the show is how hard they've been pushing Blake/Sun despite them having no chemistry. There are many other shows I love that do similar things - in my opinion one of the low points of Jessica Jones is her relationship with Luke Cage, and they have sizzling chemistry compared to Blake and Sun. It's not Miles and Kerry's fault specifically, but more the fault of the cultural tropes they've ended up using for the characters. On top of that, Michael Jones is a very skilled voice actor for an amateur, round the office guy they're both friends with, and I can't see them cutting out his character for two or more volumes.

Given all of that, I do feel confident in saying that yes, he will be coming with them to Atlas, and yes, it will be mostly for more semi-shipping with Blake. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen, based on past experiences with other shows and a basic glance at Roosterteeth as a company and RWBY as a cultural artifact.
 
I'm one of Miles' biggest defenders. He's a really good writer, and he gets way too much flak for Jaune. No, RWBY is not his harem. I love RWBY. If you look at my post history, you'll see I've gotten in trouble because I often love RWBY too much and have difficulty articulating this, especially when combined with my depression that makes arguing about this shit really stressful.
I think Mook's developed a hairtrigger about this show because this fandom is really fucking toxic.
 
Given all of that, I do feel confident in saying that yes, he will be coming with them to Atlas, and yes, it will be mostly for more semi-shipping with Blake. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what's going to happen, based on past experiences with other shows and a basic glance at Roosterteeth as a company and RWBY as a cultural artifact.
This sounds like it calls for a friendly bet.

a) If Sun tags along to Atlas without his team I have to edit my avatar to include this jester cap to show what a Fool I am (eh, get it? :wink:)
b) If Sun stays behind at Haven or only travels with RWBY&co while they're in Mistral then your avatar must wear the jester cap.
c) If Sun follows Blake to Atlas but brings his entire team with him then we both wear the cap because clearly the whole world is mad if nobody in the CRWBY objected to adding that many superfluous characters. :V

Said hat wearing will last for the duration of Volume 6 or Volume 7, depending on which volume the Atlas arc truly gets started in (so if they reach Atlas midway through Volume 6 or earlier then that's the volume of silly hats while if they only reach it near the end of 6 or the start of 7 then 7 is the magic number). :)
 
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Another detail of the fight that I liked: Cinder gains the upper hand in the fight by using the Grimm arm while Raven wins because she had help from Vernal. In other words Cinder's advantage was that she's willing to completely throw away her humanity in the pursuit of power while Raven's was that she is not. It could be foreshadowing of their paths going forward, with Cinder turning herself into even more of a monster to survive while Raven finally stops trying to deny that genuine human connections are important to her.

And of course we see which approach is superior.
You presume that Cinder isn't actually dead, and that the question has not therefore been answered in the same breath as it was spoken.

Which, I mean, yeah- the framing of Cinder's Fall is total Disney Villain Death material, but RWBY has killed off characters before. It wouldn't surprise me if Cinder was just plain dead, and next season has Emerald as the new Fall Maiden.
 
That kind of maiden transition scene would have too much narrative worth to have as a background event. Could you imagine how Emerald would react to finding out Cinder's dead? To finding out that Cinder's last thoughts were of her?

That and it'd be an interesting chance to show off her using her newfound untrained powers to wreck shit in emotional distress. Bit like what they did with the SUMMON BIGGER GRIMMLADY near the end there.
 
I'm a huge fan of the idea that Cinder is dead and Emerald will rise to replace her, it works on a lot of thematic levels and is a neat twist on expectations, while also setting the villains back enough that the heroes can come into conflict with them and not instantly raise the question of why the maiden hasn't killed them all yet?

However I am sort of wobbly on Emerald being a Maiden, in part cos the the power issues and also for the as noted fact that it happening so subtly feels kind of off.

I kind of like the idea said powers are lost or have been returned to Salem via Grimm bug so she can open the Vault whenever she needs, but she no longer has an ace warrior on the table, but Emerald's episode shows she has potential so Salem starts tutoring and guiding her.
 
I kind of like the idea of having Cinder get the full Amber treatment in a ironic role-reversal. So next volume we see Salem having the frozen chunks of Cinder's corpse stuck in some kind of stasis field/ice block (so that it won't melt) and then Salem either has to convince Emerald to accept having the Fall Maiden powers transferred to her or she informs Emerald that Cinder can only be saved with the Relic of Creation or that due to Cinder's massive fuckup Salem will only revive her if Emerald fixes her mess by retrieving the Relics.
 
This sounds like it calls for a friendly bet.

a) If Sun tags along to Atlas without his team I have to edit my avatar to include this jester cap to show what a Fool I am (eh, get it? :wink:)
b) If Sun stays behind at Haven or only travels with RWBY&co while they're in Mistral then your avatar must wear the jester cap.
c) If Sun goes follows Blake to Atlas but brings his entire team with him then we both wear the cap because clearly the whole world is mad if nobody in the CRWBY objected to adding that many superfluous characters. :V

Said hat wearing will last for the duration of Volume 6 or Volume 7, depending on which volume the Atlas arc truly gets started in (so if they reach Atlas midway through Volume 6 or earlier then that's the volume of silly hats while if they only reach it near the end of 6 or the start of 7 then 7 is the magic number). :)

Sure. I kinda hope you win, and I hope that by accepting the bet fate or karma or whatever does its normal shtick and makes me lose for the hubris of accepting a bet, but sure.

I might end up making it monochromatic to fit with my avatar tho. That ok?
 
Sure. I kinda hope you win, and I hope that by accepting the bet fate or karma or whatever does its normal shtick and makes me lose for the hubris of accepting a bet, but sure.

I might end up making it monochromatic to fit with my avatar tho. That ok?
Sure. And that's the great thing about the silky hat bet, losing is just as fun as winning. :D


Anyone else want to get in on this? We could set up a betting pool maybe. :grin:


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Oh! Just remembered something cool! Thanks to the power of merchandising we now have a official name for the Sea Dragon. Apparently it's official name is Sea Feilong which I find interesting. Originally it was just called Sea Dragon to distinguish it from the Grimm Dragon. But now that it has its own distinct name the Sea moniker raises a question: Are there other types of Feilong Grimm? Could the team run into a Sky Feilong while traveling to Atlas for example?

 
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One reason I don't trust Ozpin about the gods ETC because of the Aura WoR video.

Sure one can say "Salem's villainous" but while the narrators can impart their own feelings (Qrow's disgust at certain Faunus traits, Ozpin liking the CCT) the info contained within is factual and she highlighted Ozpin as someone who via Aura had become more than human.
 
One reason I don't trust Ozpin about the gods ETC because of the Aura WoR video.

Sure one can say "Salem's villainous" but while the narrators can impart their own feelings (Qrow's disgust at certain Faunus traits, Ozpin liking the CCT) the info contained within is factual and she highlighted Ozpin as someone who via Aura had become more than human.
Maybe the Curse isn't the reincarnation itself but instead a compulsion that forces him to do everything in his power to oppose Salem, which led to him developing a Aura Reincarnation technique when he realized that just one lifetime wasn't going to be enough to defeat Salem.


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Then it should be possible for Yang to have a flamethrower mode on her guns. It would be really cool and be a nice way to expand her arsenal a little, give her a bit more versatility.
 
One reason I don't trust Ozpin about the gods ETC because of the Aura WoR video.

Sure one can say "Salem's villainous" but while the narrators can impart their own feelings (Qrow's disgust at certain Faunus traits, Ozpin liking the CCT) the info contained within is factual and she highlighted Ozpin as someone who via Aura had become more than human.
Considering that he also had super magical powers that no one else on Remnant at the time, has as far as we know it could be that such powers were born from his experiments via Aura and the gods took notice of this then tasked him with killing Salem.
 
Maybe the Curse isn't the reincarnation itself but instead a compulsion that forces him to do everything in his power to oppose Salem, which led to him developing a Aura Reincarnation technique when he realized that just one lifetime wasn't going to be enough to defeat Salem.
Possible, but I feel like if that were the case he'd have just explained it that way.


Then it should be possible for Yang to have a flamethrower mode on her guns. It would be really cool and be a nice way to expand her arsenal a little, give her a bit more versatility.
Could be fun!

Considering that he also had super magical powers that no one else on Remnant at the time, has as far as we know it could be that such powers were born from his experiments via Aura and the gods took notice of this then tasked him with killing Salem.
Was it established that he was the only one with magic back then? Plus, based on his dialogue it seems like he took to the task of defeating Salem then got 'cursed' when he failed, though I guess they could have assigned him the task and he failed.

Sorry I may have misunderstood you. :oops:
 
Was it established that he was the only one with magic back then? Plus, based on his dialogue it seems like he took to the task of defeating Salem then got 'cursed' when he failed, though I guess they could have assigned him the task and he failed.

Sorry I may have misunderstood you. :oops:
No no you have it right. Basically Ozpin tapped into something the gods took notice and thought he would be the one to stop Salem for good so they gave him the task but he failed and thus was cursed.

On the subject of magic...well he is the only one we have any confirmation on that such power exists and that it seems exclusive to him prior to the creation of the Maidens since he has yet to mention anyone else with powers such as his.
 
No no you have it right. Basically Ozpin tapped into something the gods took notice and thought he would be the one to stop Salem for good so they gave him the task but he failed and thus was cursed.

On the subject of magic...well he is the only one we have any confirmation on that such power exists and that it seems exclusive to him prior to the creation of the Maidens since he has yet to mention anyone else with powers such as his.
Ah I see, so basically he was a self reincarnation magical type and then got cursed to fight Salem after having been told to fight her because of said reincarnation and losing?

True, but what about Salem herself?
 
Ah I see, so basically he was a self reincarnation magical type and then got cursed to fight Salem after having been told to fight her because of said reincarnation and losing?

True, but what about Salem herself?
No what I meant was that Ozpins magical powers that he later divided among the maidens is what he tapped into via his Aura experiments that the gods took notice of. The reincarnation is still the true curse.

As for Salem, possibly a creation of the God of Darkness that he lost control of.
 
No what I meant was that Ozpins magical powers that he later divided among the maidens is what he tapped into via his Aura experiments that the gods took notice of. The reincarnation is still the true curse.

As for Salem, possibly a creation of the God of Darkness that he lost control of.
Ah, so he got magic via pushing past the limits of Aura? i could see that, though I'd find it weird if he was the only one to ever accomplish this and get magic :/ Still, it does fit well even if not my go to theory I want morally grey Ozpin dang it XD)

Possible, but she still seems to utilize magic.
 
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