RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

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The locker room seen where she
1. Gave him a relatively general compliment
2. Pinned him to a wall when Weiss asked for help
3. Apologized for the excessive force in 2

None of that really indicates attraction to me
Also that whole "Hello~" thing where she seemed to be trying to get his attention despite how rude he'd been to her and Weiss up to that point and seemed to want to be on his team.

Everyone else could fight. She knew Jaune wasn't a very good fighter at that point, but he still never backed down, even when he had a perfect excuse not to fight.
"Run away and live" yes they all agreed to it, but still.

Pyrrha seemed surprised that Jaune didn't get into Beacon based on ability, which is weird given the Aura thing, but in that context, it feels like she didn't know he had no skills.

Admittedly, I probably need to rewatch their arc in Vol. 2 sometime
I'm just going off how I remember her phrasing it in the conversation myself.
 
Also that whole "Hello~" thing where she seemed to be trying to get his attention despite how rude he'd been to her and Weiss up to that point and seemed to want to be on his team.
I think you're reading to much into that
"Run away and live" yes they all agreed to it, but still.

Pyrrha seemed surprised that Jaune didn't get into Beacon based on ability, which is weird given the Aura thing, but in that context, it feels like she didn't know he had no skills.
Still, a deathstalker is very dangerous
 
[FIRST] Volume 5, Chapter 12: Vault of the Spring Maiden
Holy fuck.

Okay, Jaune healing Weiss happened as everyone thought it will. As for how all of our heroes are going to get out of it alive, it's due to Cinder, Vernal and Cinder leaving mid-fight to go for the vault. So now the two teams on top are more-or-less evenly matched (especially once Jaune and Weiss are back in action).


Cinder saw Raven's betrayal coming (good job, Cinder), but what she didn't see (and neither did I, for that matter) is that Vernal isn't actually the spring maiden. It was Raven all along!


It will be interesting hearing how that happened, but it's a neat twist I didn't see coming.

Edit: Cinder has a cool grimm arm, interesting.

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Also Qrow transforms his scythe for like half a second, but we never actually see him fighting using it. Disappointing.
 
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Holy fuck.

Okay, Jaune healing Weiss happened as everyone thought it will. As for how all of our heroes are going to get out of it alive, it's due to Cinder, Vernal and Cinder leaving mid-fight to go for the vault. So now the two teams on top are more-or-less evenly matched (especially once Jaune and Weiss are back in action).


Cinder saw Raven's betrayal coming (good job, Cinder), but what she didn't see (and neither did I, for that matter) is that Vernal isn't actually the spring maiden. It was Raven all along!


It will be interesting hearing how that happened, but it's a neat twist I didn't see coming.

Edit: Cinder has a cool grimm arm, interesting.

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Also Qrow transforms his scythe for like half a second, but we never actually see him fighting using it. Disappointing.
Hmm Now I am wondering what Tyrian's tail will look like after Watts finishes it
 
Ok. I couldn't take them thinking Weiss would die seriously. Fighting was still Meh at best.

I feel like we've ruined all that was interesting about Hazel. Not that it could really survive screentime.

Cinder being a bitch is kind of fun in how petty and stupid it is.

Where did Raven keep the helmet? She didn't have it earlier in the scenes!

So Raven's spring? I mean, wait. What? Like, did it get foreshadowed at all? Because she pretty clearly told Vernal to stop doing the powers.

EDIT: Also the posing in this episode was hilarious. Like, there were some really awkward ones.
 
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Ok. I couldn't take them thinking Weiss would die seriously. Fighting was still Meh at best.

I feel like we've ruined all that was interesting about Hazel. Not that it could really survive screentime.

Cinder being a bitch is kind of fun in how petty and stupid it is.

Where did Raven keep the helmet? She didn't have it earlier in the scenes!

So Raven's spring? I mean, wait. What? Like, did it get foreshadowed at all? Because she pretty clearly told Vernal to stop doing the powers.
Actually if we go through every scene of Vernal using her "powers" then you notice how Raven is in every scene with her as well, my guess is that this is another level of protection Raven has in hiding from Salem?
 
Did anyone else think Jaune running over to Weiss look really weird? Like, the animation just looked off for some reason.
Leo getting smacked and just falling down the stairs was actually pretty funny.
Why did Hazel just tear his jacket apart like that? Oh well, him powering up with lightning Dust was neat.
And another "why?" moment. Qrow unfolds his sword into scythe mode after saving Oscar, then turns it back and never uses scythe mode again.
Nice to have some Hazel backstory.
Jaune uses Healing Semblance - Yeah, no surprise there really.
Oh, Ruby actually goes to help Yang - And strikes her pose.

I did not see that twist coming. Like, at all. So Vernal gave the Maiden power over to Raven at some point.
 
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So Raven's spring? I mean, wait. What? Like, did it get foreshadowed at all? Because she pretty clearly told Vernal to stop doing the powers.
Well, it's not a strong indication, but IIRC every time when Vernal used her powers Raven was there with her mask on, and Vernal didn't display the ear glow Cinder always had when using her maiden powers (though we never knew if it was only fall maiden thing or universal).

So the foreshadowing exists, but it's not all that good.

Actually if we go through every scene of Vernal using her "powers" then you notice how Raven is in every scene with her as well, my guess is that this is another level of protection Raven has in hiding from Salem?
Not only that, she always has her helmet on.
 
Also:

I'm calling it now, Raven is going to die (not necessarily this volume, though) and Yang will inherit her power (well, Blake is also a possibility now that I think about it, but I'm going to bet on Yang).

So... A single person can hold the powers of two maidens? Cinder's words seemed to indicate that it's possible, and it really should be explained.

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And aura continues to show that its strength changes according to the plot. Where were Vernal's and Raven's auras when Cinder attacked them?
 
Did anyone else think Jaune running over to Weiss look really weird? Like, the animation just looked off for some reason.
Leo getting smacked and just falling down the stairs was actually pretty funny.
Why did Hazel just tear his jacket apart like that? Oh well, him powering up with lightning Dust was neat.
And another "why?" moment. Qrow unfolds his sword into scythe mode after saving Oscar, then turns it back and never uses scythe mode again.
Nice to have some Hazel backstory.
Jaune uses Healing Semblance - Yeah, no surprise there really.
Oh, Ruby actually goes to help Yang - And strikes her pose.

I did not see that twist coming. Like, at all. So Vernal gave the Maiden power over to Raven at some point.
Not sure how that is possible given that the powers usually transfer upon death or through that Grimm that Cinder had to get the Fall maiden powers, plus I doubt that Raven had access to the machine that Ozpin was going to use then again looking back in Leo's dialogue about Spring he never really mentions her name or what she looks like. So it is possible that either Raven killed her and she was the last person the previous Maiden saw or that said Maiden was dying and Raven was just in the area hmm the sheer amount of questions this raises
Also:

I'm calling it now, Raven is going to die (not necessarily this volume, though) and Yang will inherit her power (well, Blake is also a possibility now that I think about it, but I'm going to bet on Yang).

So... A single person can hold the powers of two maidens? Cinder's words seemed to indicate that it's possible, and it really should be explained.

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And aura continues to show that its strength changes according to the plot. Where were Vernal's and Raven's auras when Cinder attacked them?
Considering that the powers were originally one within Ozpin before he divided them I don't see the problem on why they could not be reassembled again just in a different vessal
 
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Not sure how that is possible given that the powers usually transfer upon death or through that Grimm that Cinder had to get the Fall maiden powers, plus I doubt that Raven had access to the machine that Ozpin was going to use then again looking back in Leo's dialogue about Spring he never really mentions her name or what she looks like. So it is possible that either Raven killed her and she was the last person the previous Maiden saw or that said Maiden was dying and Raven was just in the area hmm the sheer amount of questions this raises
Except we know Vernal was the Spring Maiden, they state it outright in Chapter 1. It's why she ran away and joined the bandit clan: She couldn't handle the responsibility.
EDIT: Or maybe not, they don't actually say it was Vernal, so IDK.
 
Except we know Vernal was the Spring Maiden, they state it outright in Chapter 1. It's why she ran away and joined the bandit clan: She couldn't handle the responsibility.
EDIT: Or maybe not, they don't actually say it was Vernal, so IDK.
No, they never state the name of the girl who was Spring in the first episode they just use pronouns to describe her and that she disappeared 10 years ago we all assumed it was Vernal though since Qrow said that the Maiden was in the Bandit Camp
 
How did you guys not know Raven was the Maiden? It was quite obvious.
Anyway, I hope Ruby tears those two apart in the next ep.

And she's supposed to be a leader, right? So how about sending the girl who can absorb electricity against the guy throwning electric punches?
 
So Jaune was healing as most guessed, it wasn't as cringy as I feared though it still annoys me.

Hazels' motive feels kind of weak, I could see it being a 'training mission'like Mountain Glen but even then I was hoping for somehting either intimately more petty like:"I want to prove I am stronger than you" or built around somehting way worse XD

Also Yang was frustratingly passive this episode and spent most of it getting kicked around, I really hope she gets to do some dramatic badass stuff against Adam,or with Ruby VS Merc and Em, but mostly Adam.

The Ozpin fight was really solid though great speed and energy, it flowed very well.

Cinder is incredibly petty and its actually kind of amusing, the vault is very pretty and.

Oh come on, another lady stabbed through the gut, WTF!?

Also Cinder has a freaking Grimm arm and it is horrifying and she either anticipated the betrayal or was just getting greedy, I am actually leaning towards the latter, Cinder can also freeze people, but oh snap, Raven out-played her with a long con, she's the Spring Maiden!

Raven stop being extra and blast her when you have the element of surprise.

Also Ruby being the one to give orders for once was nice.
 
Now wait a second. Qrow outright states that the Spring Maiden was with Raven. So did they not know she was the one with the Maiden power?
 
Now wait a second. Qrow outright states that the Spring Maiden was with Raven. So did they not know she was the one with the Maiden power?
It's possible that she was at first but then later died and transferred the powers over to Raven that or Raven killed her, it's up in the air at the moment.
 
How did you guys not know Raven was the Maiden? It was quite obvious.
Anyway, I hope Ruby tears those two apart in the next ep.

And she's supposed to be a leader, right? So how about sending the girl who can absorb electricity against the guy throwning electric punches?
Anonymous 01/07/18(Sun)01:40:21 No.
>Look back on all the scenes of Vernal using her power
>Raven has the mask on each time
>She put it on when Vernal drops a lighting bolt to stop Weiss and Yang
>She put it on to meet Cinder's gang and Vernal kept her eyes closed while summoning a storm

Oh, man they got us good.
 
its kind of obnoxious. Feels like it should be damned obvious if Spring was Raven. Like that isn't the sort of thing you brief your people on when you talk about retrieving he Spring maiden? Just. Eigh. The one time the series caught me off guard and it feels almost like it cheated because the foreshadowing was so off.
 
its kind of obnoxious. Feels like it should be damned obvious if Spring was Raven. Like that isn't the sort of thing you brief your people on when you talk about retrieving he Spring maiden? Just. Eigh. The one time the series caught me off guard and it feels almost like it cheated because the foreshadowing was so off.
It was obvious to us, the audience. Every time Vernal uses "her" powers, Raven is there with her helmet on. She tells Cinder her name is too appropriate. Vernal is that too. And she sent Vernal to spy on Cinder's group, which would be monumentally stupid if she was the maiden.

Noone in the show knew it. Cinder and co thought it was Vernal.

What I guess happened: Spring ran away as Qrow said and Raven killed her. Got the powers and then Raven made Vernal pretend to be the maiden.
 
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