RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

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So at the moment Ruby, Weiss and (kind of) Jaune are down. This doesn't seem good for our heroes.

I wonder how they'll get out of this. One possibility is Sun and Blake arriving just in time, though it feels like they should be fighting Adam instead. Another alternative is that Raven and the spring maiden betray Cinder. It doesn't seem all that likely at the moment, but maybe things will change (and we do need a maiden vs maiden battle :V)

Jaune might figure out his semblance, but I doubt it will be enough to turn this around (and if it is, I call bullshit).

Well, another option is the baddies to win, but then I have no idea how any of RNJRYWOQ will get out alive (Cinder doesn't seem like one to take prisoners).

I could see Jaune's semblance doing it... if his semblance is healing. Get Weiss back in, she does a full summon, and they last until Kali shows up with a serving tray.
 
Basically the Knight Summoning is something that takes a lot of time relatively speaking and since Weiss didn't have anyone to protect her while she stood back to summon Vernal was able to constantly interupt her summoning by attacking her.
Okay but what about using ice to slow her opponent down and buy herself time... like she's done plenty of times before?

That said, I actually kinda liked how stupid it was. It suggests that Weiss isn't as smart as she thinks, or at least lets her emotions stemming from her failure to manifest her semblance for so long override everything else.

But, if there was some unsaid or inferred reason why Weiss couldn't possibly use her ice in this fight- I guess I just wish that it was explicitly established before or during the fight itself.

I could see Jaune's semblance doing it... if his semblance is healing. Get Weiss back in, she does a full summon, and they last until Kali shows up with a serving tray.

Hahaha oh man, that would be the worst! Why build up that dramatic tension with the cliffhanger if Jaune is just going to Crazy Diamond everyone the very next episode? Has Jaune been the main character this whole time?

But it does bring up an interesting question- how well did they sell the threat of Weiss, one of the main girls, actually permanently dying? There's no dramatic tension at all if no one believes Weiss truly is in mortal peril. If they don't pay off this cliffhanger by actually killing her, I don't know how they'll thread the needle between 'keeping Weiss alive' and 'giving narrative weight and consequence to her mortal injury'
 
Okay but what about using ice to slow her opponent down and buy herself time... like she's done plenty of times before?

That said, I actually kinda liked how stupid it was. It suggests that Weiss isn't as smart as she thinks, or at least lets her emotions stemming from her failure to manifest her semblance for so long override everything else.

But, if there was some unsaid or inferred reason why Weiss couldn't possibly use her ice in this fight- I guess I just wish that it was explicitly established before or during the fight itself.
Episode isn't available on YouTube yet so I haven't seen it, but doesn't Weiss depend on Dust to do her ice thing? Wouldn't it make sense for Raven's bandits have stolen it all when they captured her?

Hahaha oh man, that would be the worst! Why build up that dramatic tension with the cliffhanger if Jaune is just going to Crazy Diamond everyone the very next episode? Has Jaune been the main character this whole time?

But it does bring up an interesting question- how well did they sell the threat of Weiss, one of the main girls, actually permanently dying? There's no dramatic tension at all if no one believes Weiss truly is in mortal peril. If they don't pay off this cliffhanger by actually killing her, I don't know how they'll thread the needle between 'keeping Weiss alive' and 'giving narrative weight and consequence to her mortal injury'
If Weiss needs rescuing, I sure as fuck hope it's one of her teammates that does it--y'know, the title characters of the series whose relationship with each other is supposed to be a central part of the story--instead of Jaune hogging the spotlight again like he did in Volume 1.
 
is that Weiss saves herself. Sure Jaune might be able to buy time or something with his Semblance and Raven&Vernal will probably decide that now is a good time to fuck of to grab the Relic which makes things easier for the good guys. But Weiss surviving long enough to get help won't be caused by Aceso ex Jaune. Instead its her using her Ice Dust to slow down the bleeding long enough to get some proper medical attention.

Alternatively maybe Yang's Semblance will evolve into something more support oriented and let her transfer damage from Weiss to herself to both heal Weiss and to charge up her Semblance, though the super charge might have to be used to speed up healing instead of hitting harder.
 
Ruby wakes up in that Silver Eye space and Summer teaches her about the Silver Eyes.
 
Hahaha oh man, that would be the worst! Why build up that dramatic tension with the cliffhanger if Jaune is just going to Crazy Diamond everyone the very next episode? Has Jaune been the main character this whole time?

But it does bring up an interesting question- how well did they sell the threat of Weiss, one of the main girls, actually permanently dying? There's no dramatic tension at all if no one believes Weiss truly is in mortal peril. If they don't pay off this cliffhanger by actually killing her, I don't know how they'll thread the needle between 'keeping Weiss alive' and 'giving narrative weight and consequence to her mortal injury'

Even if Jaune has healing, I doubt it'll be anything like Crazy Diamond level.

I think they've sold the threat pretty well, but I also don't think she's going to die.
 
I just realized that every member of Team RWBY has, at this point, received some form of serious/potentially deadly wound. Blake got stabbed in the stomach, Yang lost her arm, Weiss just got speared...

But Ruby herself has not.

I wonder if that'll last the season, because Blake and Yang happened back-to-back.
 
is that Weiss saves herself. Sure Jaune might be able to buy time or something with his Semblance and Raven&Vernal will probably decide that now is a good time to fuck of to grab the Relic which makes things easier for the good guys. But Weiss surviving long enough to get help won't be caused by Aceso ex Jaune. Instead its her using her Ice Dust to slow down the bleeding long enough to get some proper medical attention.

Alternatively maybe Yang's Semblance will evolve into something more support oriented and let her transfer damage from Weiss to herself to both heal Weiss and to charge up her Semblance, though the super charge might have to be used to speed up healing instead of hitting harder.
Currently, Jaune Ex Machina is the most plausibly method for Weiss to survive in the short term. She is low on aura and has a massive hole in her torso, without medical attention soon she will die soon. Ruby is unconscious, Yang;s engaged and her semblance has no healing abilities shown, the NR on JNPR is in a similar state.

White Fang been shown at the perimeter of the academy with bombs, so that should bee what Blake and the Faunus are dealing with. And as Adam doesn't seem to be informed of Salems magic relayed plans, and ravens request requires as few people know as possible, i doesn't seem she would find out until they've fought there way through them into the academy.

Qrow and Oscar are engaged with peer opponents and can't disengage to provide medical attention.

Cinder is intent on finishing her off, and has Emerald as support.

Jaunes semblance distracting Cinder and either healing weiss, or providing the opportunity for someone else to is currently the most plausible way for her to survive.
 
One thing that has been bothering me for a while is that Qrow hasn't really used to scythe form of his weapon. IIRC Ruby (or was it Ozpin) said that he is an expert scythe user, yet he only uses it as a sword (except that one moment in Volume 3).

Does anyone know why he hasn't used it yet? Is it more useful against huge Grimm than humans? Or did RT change how they want his character to fight?

It's just something that has been bothering me, especially since
He is fighting at the moment, and I don't think that it's a good time for him to hold back. So why isn't he using it?
 
One thing that has been bothering me for a while is that Qrow hasn't really used to scythe form of his weapon. IIRC Ruby (or was it Ozpin) said that he is an expert scythe user, yet he only uses it as a sword (except that one moment in Volume 3).

Does anyone know why he hasn't used it yet? Is it more useful against huge Grimm than humans? Or did RT change how they want his character to fight?

It's just something that has been bothering me, especially since
He is fighting at the moment, and I don't think that it's a good time for him to hold back. So why isn't he using it?
The general theory I have seen is that his Scythe is for specific types of opponents over him restraining himself, or more, the scythe combat style is better for certain opponents and fights than others.
 
The Doylist theory is that it would be very hard to do a scythe style without making it look like he's just copying Ruby. Personally, I'd have sat the animators down in front of every fucking Gehrman fight from Bloodborne and PvP match with that scythe they could find on youtube until they got ideas, but I can see why they might want to steer clear of it.
 
Thinking on it, it might also be possible that his method of using the scythe is more an an executioner weapon, that is to say, he whittles his foe down with the blade and once the fight is nearing its end/apex, he suddenly switches styles entirely, has more distance and weapon that they have to adapt to?

So in this context both his general scythe style might not be good for drawn out fights, and or he likes to use the switch and sudden distance to undermine his opponents once they think they have gotten into the groove of things.
 
The general theory I have seen is that his Scythe is for specific types of opponents over him restraining himself, or more, the scythe combat style is better for certain opponents and fights than others.
But if that's true, why did he transform his scythe while fighting winter and not against Tyrian?

Thinking on it, it might also be possible that his method of using the scythe is more an an executioner weapon, that is to say, he whittles his foe down with the blade and once the fight is nearing its end/apex, he suddenly switches styles entirely, has more distance and weapon that they have to adapt to?
If that was true he would have used it against Tyrian when both of their auras were depleted.
 
Well currently Qrow is dealing with Raven and since they did train together using the scythe mode doesn't really give him an advantage since she would still know how he fights. My question where the hell is the bad luck Aura at this moment.
Thinking on it, it might also be possible that his method of using the scythe is more an an executioner weapon, that is to say, he whittles his foe down with the blade and once the fight is nearing its end/apex, he suddenly switches styles entirely, has more distance and weapon that they have to adapt to?

So in this context both his general scythe style might not be good for drawn out fights, and or he likes to use the switch and sudden distance to undermine his opponents once they think they have gotten into the groove of things.
If that is the case why was he about to bust it out against Winter till he saw Ironwood?
 
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Well currently Qrow is dealing with Raven and since they did train together using the scythe mode doesn't really give him an advantage since she would still know how he fights. My question where the hell is the bad luck Aura at this moment.

If that is the case why was he about to bust it out against Winter till he saw Ironwood?

We are still using spoilers for the last episode, y'know.

I'm 90% sure Qrow's semblance is affecting Weiss right now. He doesn't choose who it affects, and I'd say she's got a pretty severe case of it.
 
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But if that's true, why did he transform his scythe while fighting winter and not against Tyrian?
Well for this one, it would be because a scythe turned out to be a better weapon for fighting Winter due to her abilities.

If that was true he would have used it against Tyrian when both of their auras were depleted.
He did start using it for a while then switched back, which is part of what is leading me to think he does it to trip up his opponents and his primary style is sword.

If that is the case why was he about to bust it out against Winter till he saw Ironwood?
Change up his fighting style maybe, or he realized that style/weapon would be a better fit for the fight?

We are still using spoilers for the last episode, y'know.
You might want to spoiler the quote.
 
[Public] Volume 5, Chapter 11: The More the Merrier
Jaune: Say something!
Me: Who are you again?
Cinder: Who are you again?

BEE ARR BEE, I NEED TO GO BUY ALL THE LOTTERY TICKETS

The big fight was... not very big. Everyone paired off and ignored what everyone else was doing instead of providing support or finding opportunities to intervene in other fights (except for Cinder, who attacked the least relevant person in the fight instead of finishing Jaune off or at least crippling him). Where did the teamwork from the Team RWBY vs Mecha-Torchwick fight go? What was the point of all that training if no one figured out that they should cover Weiss so she could activate her Semblance?

Why would anyone build a weapon as slow and telegraphed as Leo's? A Mage-like weapon is a cool concept, but Fennec and Corsac's dollar store toy rayguns were more useful than that thing.

I'm rewatching the scene between Ozpin and Leo now and there is no background noise. Does the show just not have object permanence anymore? There's 13 other people fighting in the room. It should be a loud, chaotic mess, but aside from Weiss deflecting a stray bullet, it's like all the fights are happening in a vacuum.
 
Cue Yang and Jaune going berserk in 3... 2... 1...

Also, how is Oscar keeping up with one of Ozpin's former Lieutenants already?

Talking of Leo, I didn't expect him to actually be a Lion Faunus, plus, what even is that weapon?
 
Cue Yang and Jaune going berserk in 3... 2... 1...

Also, how is Oscar keeping up with one of Ozpin's former Lieutenants already?

Talking of Leo, I didn't expect him to actually be a Lion Faunus, plus, what even is that weapon?
I think that Oscar took advantage of Leo's shock. Also, Leo isn't in a very good state of mind at the moment, so he probably isn't giving it his all.

Even Yang going berserk won't really help here. I'm pretty sure that the only way for them to get out of this alive would be either Jaune to awaken a very useful semblance, Blake/Sun arriving to help, Raven betraying her team or Oscar somehow healing Weiss with magic or something like that (which in itself won't be enough, but that's one option how she survives this).
 
I think that Oscar took advantage of Leo's shock. Also, Leo isn't in a very good state of mind at the moment, so he probably isn't giving it his all.

Even Yang going berserk won't really help here. I'm pretty sure that the only way for them to get out of this alive would be either Jaune to awaken a very useful semblance, Blake/Sun arriving to help, Raven betraying her team or Oscar somehow healing Weiss with magic or something like that (which in itself won't be enough, but that's one option how she survives this).
I'm not saying it'd help, Just that Yang is liable to actually break sombody's leg this time, whether it's Mercury's, Cinder's, Raven's, Emerald's or Vernal's is anyone's guess.
 
God, I hope not, at least when it comes to Yang. It would completely undermine her whole character arc back on Patch.
Well, considering that throughout V5 so far she's been getting random angry phases in less uncomfortable situations, the fact that Weiss just got ran through, Ruby got knocked out, her asshole mother not only replaced her and shot Ruby, but also joined Salem. I'd say it'd be pretty IC for Yang to go supernova, especially if Blake turns up.
 
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