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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Mook said:
    We know his Semblance doesn't have Aura breaking properties but we don't know if there isn't some assassination technique out there that let's your attack bypass Aura for the split second required to stab someone. Like, if you can learn to Fist of the North Star martial arts that makes enemies blow up like balloons and then explode if you punch them then who knows what kind of crazy swordsmanship techniques there are out there.
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    Are you seriously referencing another work entirely as a justification for why Adam can apparently bypass Aura whenever the plot demands it?

    Note that yes, being able to punch through a damaged Aura does make sense but that's yet another thing they should have actually introduced long before Adam pulled it off. They actually had a perfect opportunity all the way back in Volume 1. Remember the scene where Glynda tells the combat class that Jaune has lost the fight as his Aura has dropped "into the red?" All it would take was Glynda asking if anyone knew why they stopped sparring matches when someone hit the red. It could immediately jump to someone - say, Weiss who wants to prove she's the Best Student Ever!!!1! - immediately answering that Aura can fail at that point. It can collapse entirely, leaving you vulnerable, or it can be pierced by a sufficiently powerful attack.

    Last I bothered to check they've had at least one opportunity every Volume before Adam did it to Yang.
     
    Nicholai said:
    Are you seriously referencing another work entirely as a justification for why Adam can apparently bypass Aura whenever the plot demands it?

    Note that yes, being able to punch through a damaged Aura does make sense but that's yet another thing they should have actually introduced long before Adam pulled it off. They actually had a perfect opportunity all the way back in Volume 1. Remember the scene where Glynda tells the combat class that Jaune has lost the fight as his Aura has dropped "into the red?" All it would take was Glynda asking if anyone knew why they stopped sparring matches when someone hit the red. It could immediately jump to someone - say, Weiss who wants to prove she's the Best Student Ever!!!1! - immediately answering that Aura can fail at that point. It can collapse entirely, leaving you vulnerable, or it can be pierced by a sufficiently powerful attack.

    Last I bothered to check they've had at least one opportunity every Volume before Adam did it to Yang.
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    That's sort of the implication. I think people are spending too much time thinking about this. The how is utterly unimportant. The what and why are all that matters in a story.
     
    Nicholai said:
    Are you seriously referencing another work entirely as a justification for why Adam can apparently bypass Aura whenever the plot demands it?
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    No I am referencing the fact that we have seen people do all kinds of weird things with Aura like Ren and Fox making Grimm blow up like balloons and then explode with martial arts technique. Or Adam, Blake and Qrow shooting energy beams from their swords. Or Cinder, Ren and Amber creating shields or Ozpin and Weiss straight up making barriers. Cinder and Glynda making weird magic Glyphs of uncertain origin. Etc.


    We will just have to wait and see if it's confirmed or not but they are in the lands of the ninja now so I wouldn't be super surprised if it comes up at some point. People would certainly have the motivation to find more reliable ways to take down people with Aura than noisily beating them up for several minutes.
     
    Mook said:
    No I am referencing the fact that we have seen people do all kinds of weird things with Aura like Ren and Fox making Grimm blow up like balloons and then explode with martial arts technique. Or Adam, Blake and Qrow shooting energy beams from their swords. Or Cinder, Ren and Amber creating shields or Ozpin and Weiss straight up making barriers. Cinder and Glynda making weird magic Glyphs of uncertain origin. Etc.


    We will just have to wait and see if it's confirmed or not but they are in the lands of the ninja now so I wouldn't be super surprised if it comes up at some point. People would certainly have the motivation to find more reliable ways to take down people with Aura than noisily beating them up for several minutes.
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    Some of those things might be Dust or semblances. Adam might just have that much power or a semblance to do that, especially versus a weakened, sloppy Yang. Also folks like Cinder, Qrow and other high end folks might have stuff beyond that.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    That's sort of the implication. I think people are spending too much time thinking about this. The how is utterly unimportant. The what and why are all that matters in a story.
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    Not really. When you invoke magical rules in a setting, those rules should be applied consistently, because if they aren't, you get a community of nerds on the Internet who spend their time arguing over how the scene happened and making the consequences of that scene secondary at best.

    Violation (or even apparent violation) of internal rules in a narrative damages the audience's faith in the narrative, in the writers' ability to tell the story. Why invest time learning about the plot, the characters, the world if the writers are going to just toss that out in the moment at a whim? RWBY isn't some surrealist art piece where only imagery and metaphor matter and narrative is actively rejected.

    Or in other words, if the writers don't care, why should I?
     
    cause what is more dramatic is a lot more important than what is technically allowable in their magic system. The important part of the scene is that Adam killed the White Fang leader and usurped her role. That's all that matters. Explaining how it works with the aura isn't all that relevant.

    Basically rules can be ignored if it makes for a better story.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    cause what is more dramatic is a lot more important than what is technically allowable in their magic system. The important part of the scene is that Adam killed the White Fang leader and usurped her role. That's all that matters. Explaining how it works with the aura isn't all that relevant.

    Basically rules can be ignored if it makes for a better story.
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    Given that pretty much every part of the fandom has reacted with reams of discussion over how the scene worked with regard to Aura, and the second-most popular topic is complaints over how Sienna's "potential" was "wasted," it doesn't make for a better story. No one's talking about the impact of Adam's coup on the White Fang, how it's going to change Blake's plotline in the volume, or anything about the story at all. The discussion is all about the superficial aspects of the scene.

    You say "rules can be ignored if it makes for a better story," but the problem is that in this instance, the audience is ignoring the story because the breaking of the rules has completely distracted it. So my counter-argument would be to focus on the "if" in your statement, because I would say that breaking rules only very rarely allows for a better story, and usually makes the story worse.
     
    Yeah while I can allow for some rule flouting, I tend to feel it should be kept subtle and not too out there or blatant to avoid issues myself.

    Granted I wish the scene had, if she had to die, cut out after Adam attacked, then after Weiss it cut back to most of the traitors being dead, Adam's mask cracking one arm in ruins and Hazel bleeding from his face showing the High Leader of the White Fang didn't did easily.
     
    Zam said:
    Yeah while I can allow for some rule flouting, I tend to feel it should be kept subtle and not too out there or blatant to avoid issues myself.

    Granted I wish the scene had, if she had to die, cut out after Adam attacked, then after Weiss it cut back to most of the traitors being dead, Adam's mask cracking one arm in ruins and Hazel bleeding from his face showing the High Leader of the White Fang didn't did easily.
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    Agreed, while we would still get complaints about off screen awesomeness it would have fit the established rules and ensure that th narritive still flowed.
     
    Zam said:
    Yeah while I can allow for some rule flouting, I tend to feel it should be kept subtle and not too out there or blatant to avoid issues myself.

    Granted I wish the scene had, if she had to die, cut out after Adam attacked, then after Weiss it cut back to most of the traitors being dead, Adam's mask cracking one arm in ruins and Hazel bleeding from his face showing the High Leader of the White Fang didn't did easily.
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    I actually like the idea that Sienna was a total push over. She didn't matter to the story and it helps explain why Adam seems like a viable alternative.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I actually like the idea that Sienna was a total push over. She didn't matter to the story and it helps explain why Adam seems like a viable alternative.
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    Can't argue with that. Plus, it also afforded the chance to humanize Hazel, and suggest that there's more depth to Salem's side of things than it might otherwise seem. (Until that point, Salem herself was the best argument that there was more to her side than cackling villains: Tyrian's general craziness, Watts's smug superiority, and Cinder's hunger for power and apparent delight in wielding it over others do not make for sympathetic characters.)
     
    DezoPenguin said:
    Given that pretty much every part of the fandom has reacted with reams of discussion over how the scene worked with regard to Aura, and the second-most popular topic is complaints over how Sienna's "potential" was "wasted," it doesn't make for a better story. No one's talking about the impact of Adam's coup on the White Fang, how it's going to change Blake's plotline in the volume, or anything about the story at all. The discussion is all about the superficial aspects of the scene.

    You say "rules can be ignored if it makes for a better story," but the problem is that in this instance, the audience is ignoring the story because the breaking of the rules has completely distracted it. So my counter-argument would be to focus on the "if" in your statement, because I would say that breaking rules only very rarely allows for a better story, and usually makes the story worse.
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    What frustrates me about this whole narrative car crash is that this is not the first time the writing staff behind RWBY have run into this situation. After Monty's death Miles and Kerry watched the fandom burst into flames through most of Volume 3. The end of the volume resulted in months of arguing by the fanbase. (Or was that years?)

    What have Miles and Kerry learned? Apparently not much.
     
    DezoPenguin said:
    Can't argue with that. Plus, it also afforded the chance to humanize Hazel, and suggest that there's more depth to Salem's side of things than it might otherwise seem. (Until that point, Salem herself was the best argument that there was more to her side than cackling villains: Tyrian's general craziness, Watts's smug superiority, and Cinder's hunger for power and apparent delight in wielding it over others do not make for sympathetic characters.)
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    I would argue that Hazel helping Oscar when he did not have to and giving him some good advice already helped to humanize him.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I actually like the idea that Sienna was a total push over. She didn't matter to the story and it helps explain why Adam seems like a viable alternative.
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    I can't really agree, then again I can't take Adam seriously as anything more than a smug snake and the leader of a dangerous terrorist organization in Remnant being weak, and losing from one stab with no Aura crackling to a guy getting kicked around by a spider mech likely weaker than a Paladin in the trailers just doesn't sit right with me. Plus it just feels demeaning and boring.
     
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    Nicholai said:
    What frustrates me about this whole narrative car crash is that this is not the first time the writing staff behind RWBY have run into this situation. After Monty's death Miles and Kerry watched the fandom burst into flames through most of Volume 3. The end of the volume resulted in months of arguing by the fanbase. (Or was that years?)

    What have Miles and Kerry learned? Apparently not much.
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    They likely learned not to listen to a bunch of whiny entitled fans on the internet seeing as RWBY only grew in popularity, mainstream recognition and profitability since then. It's like Trekkies arguing over minor details of the lore in the new movies. Given how popular they are it is really just a small minority of fanatics that focus on totally unimportant nonsense. For all the focus and outrage I don't think this whole thing will effect viewership much. I mean it's not good to hold an entire audience in contempt, but I doubt the mass amount of people that watch RWBY even thought about the scene. It's only places with over obsessed fans that are making a big deal about nothing.

    Zam said:
    I can't really agree, then again I can't take Adam seriously as anything more than a smug snake and the leader of a dangerous terrorist organization in Remnant being weak, and losing from one stab with no Aura crackling to a guy getting kicked around by a spider mech likely weaker than a Paladin in the trailers just doesn't sit right with me. Plus it just feels demeaning and boring.
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    I don't know why being a leader of terrorist would mean she had to be super tough. It's not Bin Laden was some super soldier that could kill ten men with a mean look and a letter opener.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    They likely learned not to listen to a bunch of whiny entitled fans on the internet seeing as RWBY only grew in popularity, mainstream recognition and profitability since then. It's like Trekkies arguing over minor details of the lore in the new movies. Given how popular they are it is really just a small minority of fanatics that focus on totally unimportant nonsense. For all the focus and outrage I don't think this whole thing will effect viewership much. I mean it's not good to hold an entire audience in contempt, but I doubt the mass amount of people that watch RWBY even thought about the scene. It's only places with over obsessed fans that are making a big deal about nothing.
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    Got any numbers that can back that up? Last I checked the team at RT weren't releasing any information about that.

    Also note that RWBY has basically exchanged one set of fans for another. There were fans of the first two seasons who haven't watched anything since. There are also fans who came to RWBY after Volume 3 because it changed to something they could enjoy. They would not have watched it had it continued on in the same genre as Volumes 1 and 2.

    While that is great for RT at the moment it can be a problem later. Those fans who left because of Volume 3 are unlikely to come back. They are also unlikely to pay for anything RT produces ever again. Furthermore they are likely to tell everyone they can about how RT "ruined" their favorite show.

    I mean it isn't like we've seen that on this forum, let alone in real life (I've seen it several times), or on the RT forums.

    So why is that a problem? Well, if they ever genre shift again they risk seeing the same thing happen among their current fans. Reference all the people who swore up and down that if RT ever went back to the Volume 1 and 2 feel in Volume 4 they'd immediately drop RWBY.
     
    Nicholai said:
    Got any numbers that can back that up? Last I checked the team at RT weren't releasing any information about that.
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    The fact that they got an official release in Japan, are being featured in a major video game and have gotten broad DVD releases.

    Nicholai said:
    So why is that a problem? Well, if they ever genre shift again they risk seeing the same thing happen among their current fans. Reference all the people who swore up and down that if RT ever went back to the Volume 1 and 2 feel in Volume 4 they'd immediately drop RWBY.
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    Because having a show totally lose all forward progress in terms of tone and character would be a good reason to drop a show since it shows that the writers are unwilling to advance the story in favor of resetting everything. Like there's a reason they moved beyond the tone of Volume 1 and 2. They had done everything that those seasons were there for and had no reason to bog the story down with a bunch of padding. It's very clear that the Beacon part of RWBY was supposed to be a minor part, a prelude to set up the major conflict of the show. We didn't even meet the main villain of the piece or learn the overarching goal of the story until volume 3. People who dropped the show after Volume 3 are like people that stopped watching Game of Thrones when Ned dies. They can't even really be said to have liked the story since the story hadn't started yet.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I don't know why being a leader of terrorist would mean she had to be super tough.
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    This is Remnant though, pretty much every authority figure got there in part by being an ass kicker. Having someone who advocated for violence and, given she seemed to plan to resist Adam, and led a group of revolutionaries/terrorists in violent raids, not being a badass just feels incredibly ill-fitting and unsatisfying to me. Plus, again, demeaning and dull.
     
    Zam said:
    This is Remnant though, pretty much every authority figure got there in part by being an ass kicker. Having someone who advocated for violence and, given she seemed to plan to resist Adam, and led a group of revolutionaries/terrorists in violent raids, not being a badass just feels incredibly ill-fitting and unsatisfying to me. Plus, again, demeaning and dull.
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    I mean she could have been a super badass. She was stabbed in the gut by surprise by a guy who was so dangerous that Cinder wasn't willing to fight him until she gained the powers of the Fall Maiden and even then seemed wary of the guy. Like Adam might have the voice and dress sense of an angsty 14 year old, but he's clearly meant to be a dangerous person that isn't someone you want to fight.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I mean she could have been a super badass. She was stabbed in the gut by surprise by a guy who was so dangerous that Cinder wasn't willing to fight him until she gained the powers of the Fall Maiden and even then seemed wary of the guy.
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    Not quite sure I agree with all of this, though I do agree with the surprise part. I think its important to keep in mind, Cinder only felt the need for a portion of Amber's powers and immediately went back and tore his base apart before threatening him into submission, I'm, really not sure she was wary of him after that point. Plus, as I said, he got smacked around by the spider mech, which I doubt was any stronger than a Paladin. (As you can guess, I don't think much of Adam, sorry XD)

    I would like to think surprise played a big part in things, her guards turning on her undermined Sienna's will for a time, and she was expecting Adam to either keep her hostage or have her step down, or at least maybe give her a fair fight, but instead he just went for the gut.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    The fact that they got an official release in Japan, are being featured in a major video game and have gotten broad DVD releases.


    Because having a show totally lose all forward progress in terms of tone and character would be a good reason to drop a show since it shows that the writers are unwilling to advance the story in favor of resetting everything. Like there's a reason they moved beyond the tone of Volume 1 and 2. They had done everything that those seasons were there for and had no reason to bog the story down with a bunch of padding. It's very clear that the Beacon part of RWBY was supposed to be a minor part, a prelude to set up the major conflict of the show. We didn't even meet the main villain of the piece or learn the overarching goal of the story until volume 3. People who dropped the show after Volume 3 are like people that stopped watching Game of Thrones when Ned dies. They can't even really be said to have liked the story since the story hadn't started yet.
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    They got the official release in Japan announced before Volume 3 went live.* I hate to say it but you cannot use that as an example of how the change in genre resulted in that.

    The video game, Grimm Eclipse, was originally built by a fan. They then bought it and brought the fan developer into RT to finish development. If you're talking about BlazBlue, I have yet to see anything telling me if that is something the folks at BlazBlue did because they thought RWBY was popular or if that is something RT pushed for to help make RWBY more popular. Do you have something else you can use to back that up?

    As for the "broad DVD releases" I'd like to remind you that RT hasn't released any information on that. They've done the manufacturing, marketing, and shipping in-house. They've done something similar on iTunes. (Where I purchased Volume 2.) We have no way to track whether or not they've been gaining ground. Heck, there's plenty of reason to believe that they lost ground immediately after Volume 3 finished. Reference the very disjointed and, depending on who you ask, panicked reaction to the fans' collective anger at the ending of the Volume. The defense of "this was always the plan," then the defense of "this was always Monty's plan," and then getting Pyrrha's voice actress, Jen Brown, to tell the fans that Pyrrha's death was planned.

    Call me crazy but that looks an awful lot like they ran into what I experienced among my friends - several of whom cancelled their pre-orders because they were livid with how Volume 3 ended.

    As for the Game of Thrones reference, really? You're saying that someone deciding to drop something after an entire GRRM novel (694 pages according to Wikipedia), or the better part of a TV season (around 9 episodes at 55 minutes apiece, so more than 8 hours' of media), or Volume 3 of RWBY (7 hours, 22 minutes) dropped something before the story even starts?

    By comparison please consider that the entire first Star Wars trilogy was 6 hours, 27 minutes in its longest form. The entire Lord of the Rings film series (theatrical version) is 9 hours, 18 minutes.

    * - Specifically the Japanese release was announced on August 15th, 2014. That's more than a year before the first episode of Volume 3 was released.
     
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    The video game, Grimm Eclipse, was originally built by a fan. They then bought it and brought the fan developer into RT to finish development. If you're talking about BlazBlue, I have yet to see anything telling me if that is something the folks at BlazBlue did because they thought RWBY was popular or if that is something RT pushed for to help make RWBY more popular. Do you have something else you can use to back that up?
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    No but I don't think BlazBlue was going to put RWBY characters in if they didn't think the show was popular.

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    As for the "broad DVD releases" I'd like to remind you that RT hasn't released any information on that. They've done the manufacturing, marketing, and shipping in-house.
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    They've also started selling DVDs at Wal-Mart.

    Nicholai said:
    The defense of "this was always the plan," then the defense of "this was always Monty's plan," and then getting Pyrrha's voice actress, Jen Brown, to tell the fans that Pyrrha's death was planned.
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    How is this panicked. Having several people give totally consistent arguments as to why people getting pissed is stupid seems like the exact opposite.

    Nicholai said:
    Call me crazy but that looks an awful lot like they ran into what I experienced among my friends - several of whom cancelled their pre-orders because they were livid with how Volume 3 ended.
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    I'm shocked you know several people that all hate good story telling but that's their issue.

    Nicholai said:
    As for the Game of Thrones reference, really? You're saying that someone deciding to drop something after an entire GRRM novel (694 pages according to Wikipedia), or the better part of a TV season (around 9 episodes at 55 minutes apiece, so more than 8 hours' of media), or Volume 3 of RWBY (7 hours, 22 minutes) dropped something before the story even starts?

    By comparison please consider that the entire first Star Wars trilogy was 6 hours, 27 minutes in its longest form. The entire Lord of the Rings film series (theatrical version) is 9 hours, 18 minutes.
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    Do you not understand how medium effects plot? Ned's death is basically the inciting incident for Game of Thrones. It's Luke finding the droids or Frodo leaving the Shire. It's the start of the story. Everything around it existed to set that up. RWBY wasn't some monster of the day school life story people seem to think it was. That was there to set up the plot. Which is about finding the Maidens and beating Salem. I mean it sucks that people thought RWBY was going to be something different, but that's a marketing failure more than anything else.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    No but I don't think BlazBlue was going to put RWBY characters in if they didn't think the show was popular.


    They've also started selling DVDs at Wal-Mart.


    How is this panicked. Having several people give totally consistent arguments as to why people getting pissed is stupid seems like the exact opposite.


    I'm shocked you know several people that all hate good story telling but that's their issue.


    Do you not understand how medium effects plot? Ned's death is basically the inciting incident for Game of Thrones. It's Luke finding the droids or Frodo leaving the Shire. It's the start of the story. Everything around it existed to set that up. RWBY wasn't some monster of the day school life story people seem to think it was. That was there to set up the plot. Which is about finding the Maidens and beating Salem. I mean it sucks that people thought RWBY was going to be something different, but that's a marketing failure more than anything else.
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    On BlazBlue - marketing is a thing. So is product placement. Until we know if the development team at BlazBlue did this because they thought it was a good idea or if RT has been pushing for it that's murky at best.

    On Wal-Mart - you're talking about the store that media companies use to dump excess production of things like DVD's. You do know that, don't you? Why do you think Wal-Mart routinely has a wide selection of movies which have been panned by the critics and the fans? Why do you think Wal-Mart has those huge tubs filled with $5 or $10 movies? They are things Wal-Mart is trying to get rid of. (Note, to be totally fair, other stores are in the same category. Target and their movie selection for example.)

    Until you can look at actual sales numbers you have no idea. The reverse is also true - I have no idea. So do you have numbers to use as a point of reference? If so, great! Share them. If not you're arguing a point where I find your logic faulty and you find mine faulty.

    On the panicked response - if they had been expecting that kind of response they would have issued a single statement with all the evidence included. They would have had Jen Brown weighing in as a witness. They would have had the concept art of Cinder killing Pyrrha included. Then they would have defended the release of that information. Instead they released it piecemeal. They explained that it was always the plan. The fans continued to flame them so they released that it was always Monty's plan. The fans continued to flame them so they then got Jen Brown to intervene and released the concept art separately.

    So the options as I see it are that they were hopelessly inept at communicating with their fan community or they were panicked. Do you have an alternative explanation?

    On the "hate good story telling" I'd like to point out that the last several pages of this thread have been about the quality of RWBY's storytelling. There have been a host of us questioning the quality or outright attacking it. There has been relatively little defense. Note this is also going on at the RWBY reddit last I checked and the RT official RWBY forums.

    Just because you like something doesn't mean everyone does. The fact that there's so much argument going on with regards to RWBY tells me that the general consensus on how good or bad the writing quality is must be "mixed."

    On the medium effecting plot, wow. Just wow. You're saying that a 694 page book and / or more than 8 hours of television were the prologue? That they have no real bearing on the story except to set something up? I've taken writing courses in college. That's the kind of thing that would get you a failing grade.

    If the first two Volumes of RWBY were supposed to set up beating Salem and finding the Maidens they did a terrible job. They didn't start doing either until the third Volume. In fact Salem wasn't even introduced until the last few minutes of Volume 3. You can call it a marketing issue (and believe me, I have done that repeatedly) but the marketing is only part of the issue. They could have marketed it as a "monster of the day, magical high school" setting and then had it be something else. Instead the entire first Volume was "monster of the day, magical high school". What they produced was exactly what they marketed. The vast majority of the second Volume was the same.

    That's both marketing and production.
     
    the RWBY characters getting in Blazblue cross had as much to do with Mori being a huge fan of the show as it did the popularity of RWBY itself, though RWBY does have a Japanese audience.

    This was also a really good time to do it, as Team Blue(Arcsys has two fighting game teams, Team Red and Team Blue) had nothing announced due to the conclusion of the main Blazblue series, and this allows them to recycle a ton of Blazblue and Persona sprites. That said, they are doing legitimate work on the game- you can tell by the changes they've made to some of the Blazblue characters- this isn't a straight Capcom-style cashgrab.

    If folks are worried about this game being super hard, it is Arcsys, but it seems to be based more of the Persona Arena series, which is easier than Guilty Gear or Blazblue, though it should still be harder than say Street Fighter. Also, the RWBY and Persona licenses will mean a lot of new players aka scrubs will be mashing away at it, so folks who are inexperienced at fighting games won't be alone, especially on PC and Switch. (the PS4 crowd might be a bit more experienced, and crossplay is very very unlikely)

    It was also a dream of Monty Oum to have his characters in a fighting game. This came from a casual acquaintance of mine who knew him and also had a love of fighting games.

     
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    the RWBY characters getting in Blazblue cross had as much to do with Mori being a huge fan of the show as it did the popularity of RWBY itself, though RWBY does have a Japanese audience.

    It was also a dream of Monty Oum to have his characters in a fighting game. This came from a casual acquaintance of mine who knew him and also had a love of fighting games.

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    Cool. Thanks!
     
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