RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

kokuenDG · May 1, 2022

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Feng Lengshun · Feb 5, 2017

Zam said:
I think you're meant to spoiler this until tomorrow.

I don't think I put anything spoiler-y in it, though. I did my best to remain vague and not say anything specific, or at least nothing specific that hasn't been spoiled by the thumbnail, previous episode, and the preview. No one who hasn't already watched the episode would know what the are the exact things that I was talking about are. It's really meant as a review of sort, really.

Speaking of that, I had wanted to write a V4 review but... I don't know. It's just been kind of an underwhelming Volume and my line of thinking would be consistent with my V4 finale review, just with more subjects that I'm talking about instead.

Itaywex · Feb 5, 2017

Well, I'm quite disappointed that nothing outstanding has happened during the fight. I was expecting someone to die/Jaune's to reveal his semblance/Ruby to use her silver eyes. While I do get the Nora/Ren development, it does feel a bit forced.

However, I'm quite happy that now that most of the characters will be together in Haven (RNJR, Oscar, and Yang/Weiss) so that next volume we won't have 5 different plots going in the same time.

I do wonder what will happen with Blake, though. Maybe Weiss is going there? Because frankly I would find it weird that Blake and Sun are having an adventure in that faunus island while everyone else is in Haven.

Also, "I'd like my cane back" XD

P.S. Wait, so after Ospin died (or did he?) his soul moved to Oscar. Does that mean that Ozpin is the fifth maiden!?!?!?

Feng Lengshun · Feb 5, 2017

Itaywex said:
Well, I'm quite disappointed that nothing outstanding has happened during the fight. I was expecting someone to die/Jaune's to reveal his semblance/Ruby to use her silver eyes. While I do get the Nora/Ren development, it does feel a bit forced.

However, I'm quite happy that now that most of the characters will be together in Haven (RNJR, Oscar, and Yang/Weiss) so that next volume we won't have 5 different plots going in the same time.

I do wonder what will happen with Blake, though. Maybe Weiss is going there? Because frankly I would find it weird that Blake and Sun are having an adventure in that faunus island while everyone else is in Haven.

Also, "I'd like my cane back" XD

P.S. Wait, so after Ospin died (or did he?) his soul moved to Oscar. Does that mean that Ozpin is the fifth maiden!?!?!?

He's the Wizard dood

Zam · Feb 5, 2017

Ruby not being the one to get Qrow feels nonsensical and weird to me given she cares the most about him & is the fastest, and Jaune being able to fight at the same level as people with years more training than him will never not be a bugbear for me. (Also Crescent Rose upgrade when? Ruby is meant to be the weapon one here, come on, please.)

Other than that I liked the fight scene, the Aura breaking and then Ren and Nora showing off super strength feels weird so I am beginning to think it was less 'breaking' and more highlighting heavy damage that they needed to take a breather from and Ren straight up execution the Grimm was great.

I liked the explanation behind the patrol finding them and patrols feels quite reasonable all things considered and it utilised the massive smoke cloud well.

The JNPR hug session was nice, though come on Ren you know you wanna join them in full, and the body language between Ren & Nora on the airship was great (Also love the new airship designs)

My issues with Yang and Blake's story lines remain but Armed and Ready is a great song regardless, love the sun imagery and discussion of how Yang would have done anything for Blake.

Yang's new duds look cool, also seems either travel has gotten easier or Yang is just that good

Or the timelines are skewed. Tai is also staying home which is interesting, I'm not 100% surprised if its an issue of strength he apparently hadn't gone on missions since Summer died until very recently and was teaching at a school after an unknown period of being shutdown; still I'll be interested to see how if at all, that gets handled given he said the reason he wasn't going after Ruby was cos he had "things to take care of" implied to be Yang, but now that she's seemingly OK its only Yang going after Ruby.

Mistral looks great.

Ruby's letter was pretty fantastic, it acknowledged that she is missing those closest to her, (Interesting that she wrote to addressed Yang specifically) and showed that things have been weighing on her but also reaffirmed her resolve even as tired as she is and showed/expressed some real heavy emotions she seemingly does not want to share with others. So pretty happy with the letter even if one or two bits could have maybe been clearer. Also liked that she acknowledged Yang deserved time to recover.

The stinger was mildly surprising, Watts is so freaking smug, and cowardly lion (How did I not notice that?) and Qrow addressing Oscar as Ozpin and Oscar being told to refer to it as his cane could have implications or could just be code.

Also Cinder's training is messed up.

Feng Lengshun said:
I don't think I put anything spoiler-y in it, though. I did my best to remain vague and not say anything specific, or at least nothing specific that hasn't been spoiled by the thumbnail, previous episode, and the preview. No one who hasn't already watched the episode would know what the are the exact things that I was talking about are. It's really meant as a review of sort, really.

Speaking of that, I had wanted to write a V4 review but... I don't know. It's just been kind of an underwhelming Volume and my line of thinking would be consistent with my V4 finale review, just with more subjects that I'm talking about instead.

Your call really.

Honestly I actually have similar feelings, though for me its tied to just how much weight and emotion was introduced by V3 a lot of which feels glossed over or rushed passed or simply not addressed.

Feng Lengshun · Feb 5, 2017

Zam said:
Honestly I actually have similar feelings, though for me its tied to just how much weight and emotion was introduced by V3 a lot of which feels glossed over or rushed passed or simply not addressed.

I think Yang's the most notorious one in that regards. Weiss' seems more like spiralling fall from grace - I don't think we've seen the true repercussion yet this volume, but I don't know if they can squeeze in Jacques, Whitley, SDC, Ironwood, and Atlas within the next volume (I hope they don't do it next volume, honestly, because I'd like some plot threads be actually resolved satisfyingly). Blake, I feel, is the best one because they really addressed the problem. Not as deeply as I would have preferred, but it's far more than any of the other characters. She's not my favorite person, but she's my favorite character for this volume. Outside of Ren anyways, but who doesn't love Ren?

In regards to the Aura Break effect... maybe Aura is kind of like in the game? Like, it can break, but a few moments of non-activity can, to a certain degree, refill them. Sort of like Halo's shield, which made sense considering RT is also behind RvB which, AFAIK, was kind of based on Halo (or at least its models). Maybe sort of in the middle ground for speed - not quite FPS fast but also not RPG slow. RWBY does seem to kind of sit in the middle of the two in terms of feels...

Zam · Feb 5, 2017

Feng Lengshun said:
I think Yang's the most notorious one in that regards. Weiss' seems more like spiralling fall from grace - I don't think we've seen the true repercussion yet this volume, but I don't know if they can squeeze in Jacques, Whitley, SDC, Ironwood, and Atlas within the next volume (I hope they don't do it next volume, honestly, because I'd like some plot threads be actually resolved satisfyingly). Blake, I feel, is the best one because they really addressed the problem. Not as deeply as I would have preferred, but it's far more than any of the other characters. She's not my favorite person, but she's my favorite character for this volume. Outside of Ren anyways, but who doesn't love Ren?

Yang is definitely the biggest for me on that front for me. I was mostly OK with Weiss's story save that I wish she had mentioned RWBY at some point, beyond that she was stuck in her abusive fathers household and then escaping, so it worked great in my eyes. I figure if Atlas cast is involved it'll likely just be through Winter, if they're closing off their borders I imagine that some form of return to Atlas will be a much later season so they can see the full ill-effects of what's going on. I can't really say I agree on Blake, they addressed some things I feel, but the general handling and treatment of it was not something I really enjoyed and I still feel some parts were glossed over. Res is good, Ren is life, Ren & Nora also had some of the best stuff this season

Feng Lengshun said:
In regards to the Aura Break effect... maybe Aura is kind of like in the game? Like, it can break, but a few moments of non-activity can, to a certain degree, refill them. Sort of like Halo's shield, which made sense considering RT is also behind RvB which, AFAIK, was kind of based on Halo (or at least its models). Maybe sort of in the middle ground for speed - not quite FPS fast but also not RPG slow. RWBY does seem to kind of sit in the middle of the two in terms of feels...

Actually that works really well, enough hard damage can break a persons Aura and they need to then back off and take a minute before its backup, even if the power source isn't exhausted yet.

DezoPenguin · Feb 5, 2017

Zam said:
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Ruby not being the one to get Qrow feels nonsensical and weird to me given she cares the most about him & is the fastest, and Jaune being able to fight at the same level as people with years more training than him will never not be a bugbear for me.

Jaune is the tank and the least-capable fighter. Meaning he's the perfect person to extract the wounded because he's weakening the "keep the monster occupied" the least and can absorb the most damage against stray attacks. (Also, while he was definitely far less competent going in, do remember that by this point he's had nearly a full year of general combat training in his Beacon classes plus all but a few weeks' worth of personal instruction from the best fighter in his class. He may not be up to the level of his teammates, but he should be able to keep his end up in combat by now.)

I liked the explanation behind the patrol finding them and patrols feels quite reasonable all things considered and it utilised the massive smoke cloud well.

Standard boss fight reward. =) (Though it does raise the question of why these patrols did not respond to the bandit attack on Shion Village, the one that preceded the Nuck's wiping the place out. Unless it was trailing the bandits that closely...)

My issues with Yang and Blake's story lines remain but Armed and Ready is a great song regardless, love the sun imagery and discussion of how Yang would have done anything for Blake.

Blake? I thought it was supposed to be about Ruby?

Yang's new duds look cool, also seems either travel has gotten easier or Yang is just that good Or the timelines are skewed.

While I definitely think the four stories don't actually take place at the same time pace (for example, Miles and Kerry apparently specifically negated the "6-8 months" timeskip duration at the Australian RTX), it's also important to note that if Yang can maintain a pace of 60 mph on Bumblebee, she's basically traveling fifteen times faster than Team RNJR did on foot. And unlike RNJR, she's not stopping here and there to take on odd jobs for meal money.

Tython82 · Feb 5, 2017

DezoPenguin said:
Jaune is the tank and the least-capable fighter. Meaning he's the perfect person to extract the wounded because he's weakening the "keep the monster occupied" the least and can absorb the most damage against stray attacks. (Also, while he was definitely far less competent going in, do remember that by this point he's had nearly a full year of general combat training in his Beacon classes plus all but a few weeks' worth of personal instruction from the best fighter in his class. He may not be up to the level of his teammates, but he should be able to keep his end up in combat by now.)

Standard boss fight reward. =) (Though it does raise the question of why these patrols did not respond to the bandit attack on Shion Village, the one that preceded the Nuck's wiping the place out. Unless it was trailing the bandits that closely...)

Blake? I thought it was supposed to be about Ruby?

While I definitely think the four stories don't actually take place at the same time pace (for example, Miles and Kerry apparently specifically negated the "6-8 months" timeskip duration at the Australian RTX), it's also important to note that if Yang can maintain a pace of 60 mph on Bumblebee, she's basically traveling fifteen times faster than Team RNJR did on foot. And unlike RNJR, she's not stopping here and there to take on odd jobs for meal money.

She would still need to refuel every now and then as we don't know enough about Remnant to say that there are regular feuling stations on her trip to Mistral.

Zam · Feb 5, 2017

DezoPenguin said:
Jaune is the tank and the least-capable fighter. Meaning he's the perfect person to extract the wounded because he's weakening the "keep the monster occupied" the least and can absorb the most damage against stray attacks. (Also, while he was definitely far less competent going in, do remember that by this point he's had nearly a full year of general combat training in his Beacon classes plus all but a few weeks' worth of personal instruction from the best fighter in his class. He may not be up to the level of his teammates, but he should be able to keep his end up in combat by now.)

I've never really felt that Jaune was the tank myself, more of a side tank at best with Nora being a better fit for that role, and regardless, with Ruby's speed she could have gone in and gotten her uncle out of there within a split second compared to Jaune's much slower movements. I could agree with your idea, not denying that it makes a good deal of sense, but with a lack of communication between RNJR showing that was why they did it, it just feels like Jaune being thrown in so he can show he's less bitter about Qrow now. (My issue with Jaune catching up as fast as he does, is that he more or less seems to be on level with people who are not only the top of their classes, but have all been training harder and longer than him, Pyrrha was certainly a great teacher but even sparring, I feel, should not compensate for several years worth of effort, especially given they only started some ways into the year.)

DezoPenguin said:
Standard boss fight reward. =) (Though it does raise the question of why these patrols did not respond to the bandit attack on Shion Village, the one that preceded the Nuck's wiping the place out. Unless it was trailing the bandits that closely...)

Haha, well I guess they set off the cut scene XD

I imagine they may not have been in the area, Ren's village seems just over the hill/mountain from Mistral compared few days walk, so it may be too far out for them to notice in time.

DezoPenguin said:
Blake? I thought it was supposed to be about Ruby?

Some have thought that, I initially assumed the same, however the lyrics pretty much all tie back to the Fall of Beacon and Yang's confrontation with Adam and reliving her nightmare there, so I feel Ruby wouldn't make much sense in that regard, just a sec I'll grab the lyrics:
It happens every night
I watch my world ignite
But there's no waking from this nightmare
The stage is always set
The place I can't forget
The hidden eyes that I can feel there

My eyes are opened wide
I'm racing to her side
there's nothing that I won't do for her

but this is not a dream
my mind repeats the scene
I can't forget it and it's torture

That was before
but not anymore
I've left it behind

As much as I've lost
Once I'm across
I'll find(?)

I've found the strength to grow so much more
A whisper to a roar
No more crying
It's time for me to soar

I feel like I'm finally unbroken
I feel like I'm back from the dead

My strength back,
recovered it's glowing

Out of my way cause I'm armed and ready!
(Armed and Ready)
Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
I'm Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
Ready! Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)

Did not belong too well
My time a living hell
The night my enemy would conquer

But now I've been set free
Lived through the tragedy
You'll wish you killed me now I'm stronger

I am the Golden one
Who burns just like the sun
Next time we meet is your disaster

I'll bring the punishment
This time won't be lament
Revenge my happily ever after

My misery
My agony
Shot me too far

The pain I went through
Left me with a new born grasp

I live my life like every day's the last
No living in the past

Best Day's ever!

I'm never looking back!

I feel like I'm finally unbroken
I feel like I'm back from the dead

My strength back,
recovered it's glowing

Out of my way cause I'm armed and ready!
(Armed and Ready)
Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
I'm Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
Ready! Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)

Call me sweetheart and I'll tear you apart
Just call me sir

Try to resist
What'd you mean by your fist
I burn

Just look at the fire in my eyes
And bring my strawberry sunrise

It was you who began it
now you're saying goddammit

Next time there's no compromise

I feel like I'm finally unbroken
And now I'm back from the dead

My strength back,
recovered it's glowing

Out of my way cause I'm armed and ready!
(Armed and Ready)
Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
I'm Ready!
(Armed and Ready!)
Ready! Ready! Ready!!!
(Armed and Ready!)

DezoPenguin said:
While I definitely think the four stories don't actually take place at the same time pace (for example, Miles and Kerry apparently specifically negated the "6-8 months" timeskip duration at the Australian RTX), it's also important to note that if Yang can maintain a pace of 60 mph on Bumblebee, she's basically traveling fifteen times faster than Team RNJR did on foot. And unlike RNJR, she's not stopping here and there to take on odd jobs for meal money.

I mostly meant what I said in jest over it being an actual critique of RNJR's abilities, sorry that wasn't clear XD

Khaos · Feb 5, 2017

DezoPenguin said:
Yang cliffhanger, since we still don't know which way she went.

Unless there's an animation error, we do.

When Yang stops her bike, she's facing Mistral. When the camera goes to the traffic signs and back to her bike again, her bike hasn't moved and she directly resumes her travel. She's heading towards Mistral.

The Last One · Feb 5, 2017

Feng Lengshun said:
He's the Wizard dood

Nah, he's just a guy with some smoke, mirrors and a big-ass balloon.

firefossil · Feb 5, 2017

Firefossil: You spent all that effort building up Nucklavee. What terrifying powers does he have?
Rooster Teeth: Mister Fantastic arms.
Firefossil: …really?
Rooster Teeth: The bottom half can horsey kick with its horsey legs.
Firefossil: ....
Rooster Teeth: He's all spastic and jerky, like those stringy haired ghost girls. Spoooky!

Nobody · Feb 5, 2017

firefossil said:
Firefossil: You spent all that effort building up Nucklavee. What terrifying powers does he have?
Rooster Teeth: Mister Fantastic arms.
Firefossil: …really?
Rooster Teeth: The bottom half can horsey kick with its horsey legs.
Firefossil: ....
Rooster Teeth: He's all spastic and jerky, like those stringy haired ghost girls. Spoooky!

Really came off as so weak that it should have been killed off casually before by any passing Hunter and that it was only able to wipe out villages because they were too dumb to have any real defenses.

Graveless · Feb 6, 2017

Nobody said:
Really came off as so weak that it should have been killed off casually before by any passing Hunter and that it was only able to wipe out villages because they were too dumb to have any real defenses.

That was my main issue with the fight as well. With a minor one being disappointing in how Ruby was moving at the beginning. She eventually started doing the high speed dodges that I'd been expecting, but it took a while.

I had been hoping that a clever use of Ren's Semblance would lead us to a very interesting team attack that used all of their skills together and that would finally do in a monster that they'd never be able to take out otherwise. Making a powered up Nora invisible would have been incredibly effective.

SerGregness · Feb 6, 2017

Zam said:
My issues with Yang and Blake's story lines remain but Armed and Ready is a great song regardless, love the sun imagery and discussion of how Yang would have done anything for Blake.

Zam said:
Some have thought that, I initially assumed the same, however the lyrics pretty much all tie back to the Fall of Beacon and Yang's confrontation with Adam and reliving her nightmare there, so I feel Ruby wouldn't make much sense in that regard, just a sec I'll grab the lyrics:

I'll be honest, the first few times I listened through Armed and Ready I thought it was talking about Ren what with all the PTSD imagery combined with the fact that his backstory's been in focus the last few episodes.

Khaos · Feb 6, 2017

Graveless said:
That was my main issue with the fight as well. With a minor one being disappointing in how Ruby was moving at the beginning. She eventually started doing the high speed dodges that I'd been expecting, but it took a while.

I had been hoping that a clever use of Ren's Semblance would lead us to a very interesting team attack that used all of their skills together and that would finally do in a monster that they'd never be able to take out otherwise. Making a powered up Nora invisible would have been incredibly effective.

When Ren and Nora were pinned to the house, I was all "cut those arms Ruby, what are you doing?"

I was very disappointed, especially since it doesn't really make sense that Ruby's huge scythe of slicing and dicing couldn't cut those arms, that Jaune's sword couldn't either, that Ren's hunter grade gunsblades couldn't, but Ren's old knife from his father could.

Basically, I have the impression that a lot was sacrificed for symbolism, the pacing is awkward, the characters often seems puppets to the whims of the writers because the overall plot needs to unfold a specific way.

To be clear, characters are always the puppets of the writers. But in a good piece of fiction, this is hidden very well and the characters always seem to take the most natural course of action according to what they've experienced in the past.

Mook · Feb 6, 2017

firefossil said:
Firefossil: You spent all that effort building up Nucklavee. What terrifying powers does he have?
Rooster Teeth: Mister Fantastic arms.
Firefossil: …really?
Rooster Teeth: The bottom half can horsey kick with its horsey legs.
Firefossil: ....
Rooster Teeth: He's all spastic and jerky, like those stringy haired ghost girls. Spoooky!

Rooster Teeth: But wait there's more! Now its going berserk and pulling out all the stops! Look at this shit!

Mook: It can grow out its bone spines into swords!?

Oh fuck the hell yes! Let's go all Kimimaro on this shit!

Rooster Teeth: Actually those are purely decorative, its berserk mode just means its going to flap its arms around more.
Mook:... Ok? What about the horse part? It was breathing black smoke in its first appearance and one of the mythological Nuckelavee's most fearsome traits was its ability to spew clouds of poison. So surely it has a poison breath attack of some sort right? You wouldn't use a Grimm that's a combination of two different creatures and then not give each their own power would you?
Rooster Teeth:... Actually we just kind of got bored with it and decided to just have Ren kill it with a knife after Nora gave him a pep talk. Oh and Nora oneshots the horse as well.
Mook: Does. Does she at least use her Semblance and grenades to hit it as hard as possible?

Rooster Teeth: Not in the budget we're afraid, we really needed to have Blake fight a random encounter so we couldn't afford to spend any money on the final battle of the volume. So Nora just kills it with her weakest attack.

Mook:

At least the rest of the finale was good.

Tython82 · Feb 6, 2017

DezoPenguin · Feb 6, 2017

I found it immensely entertaining that M&K used the term "Rensexual."

Jorlem · Feb 6, 2017

DezoPenguin said:
Standard boss fight reward. =) (Though it does raise the question of why these patrols did not respond to the bandit attack on Shion Village, the one that preceded the Nuck's wiping the place out. Unless it was trailing the bandits that closely...)

Remember, Nora said Shion was weeks away from where they are now.

Mook said:
Mook: Does. Does she at least use her Semblance and grenades to hit it as hard as possible?

The grenades, yeah. There's a pink shockwave expanding from the head of her hammer when it hits the horsehead.

Redium · Feb 6, 2017

Jorlem said:
The grenades, yeah. There's a pink shockwave expanding from the head of her hammer when it hits the horsehead.

Which kind of begs the question how she was able to activate the grenades, much less survive the fall off that tower. Nora's Aura had already been visibly broken by that point in the fight. Same issue with how Ren was able to lop off the Nuck's arms with his dad's dinky little knife when he had none either.

Jorlem · Feb 7, 2017

Redium said:
Which kind of begs the question how she was able to activate the grenades, much less survive the fall off that tower. Nora's Aura had already been visibly broken by that point in the fight. Same issue with how Ren was able to lop off the Nuck's arms with his dad's dinky little knife when he had none either.

Qrow and Tyrian were able to keep fighting after their auras broke too. It seems to me that the aura meters used for sparring and the tournament are more safety measures than the actual extent of someone's aura. The rules said to stop when it was broken, but that apparently doesn't mean they don't have enough left to keep attacking, just that they can't sustain the automatic force field. In the wild, aura breaking just means you are in sudden death mode, not that you are out of the fight.

NorthSouthGorem · Feb 7, 2017

Oh hey, last names for the villains! Or, first for Watts.

Arthur Watts. Tyrian Callows. Hazel Rainart.

Oh, and Oscar Pine.

The Last One · Feb 7, 2017

Jorlem said:
Qrow and Tyrian were able to keep fighting after their auras broke too. It seems to me that the aura meters used for sparring and the tournament are more safety measures than the actual extent of someone's aura. The rules said to stop when it was broken, but that apparently doesn't mean they don't have enough left to keep attacking, just that they can't sustain the automatic force field. In the wild, aura breaking just means you are in sudden death mode, not that you are out of the fight.

Also, there's the game mechanics effect. Obviously, people's Auras recover at some rate and Nora and Ren did spend a bit of time not taking damage underneath that house.

robopanda · Feb 7, 2017

WACKY WAVING INFLATABLE ARM FLAILING TUBE GRIMM!

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