RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

[kokuenDG]

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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[Zam]

I figured Cinder might have gone for Vale on the assumption that was where Amber would be.

 

[Mahrac]

I figured Cinder might have gone for Vale on the assumption that was where Amber would be.

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And of course if they attacked a different CCT first you can bet that Ozpin would have had much tighter security on Beacon as a whole plus whatever the ruling council decided to set up for Vale.

 

[Storyteller]

* Vacuo was trusted with one of the four CCT towers, and their protection of that tower was sufficiently threatening that Salem didn't have her minions destroy it before the operation in Vale. For that matter, she's STILL not going for it now, but instead aiming for Mistral's tower in Haven Academy.

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While I think you have good points here, I have to disagree with the above. Salem is letting Remnant point fingers at each other. Attacking the Vacuo CCT tower period when it doesn't have really have a working government aside from Shade academy gives away the game.

Vale officially globally lost the tower to Grimm/Atlas forces. Those were the last transmissions over the CCT. The news of the WF may or may not have gone global before the CCT was destroyed. It also had the worlds attention thanks to the Vytale festival and the Grimm dragon type Kevin in the mountain. Also Ozpin, Maiden, and apparently relic.

(If Qrow didn't take it with him but the buildup of a second attack on Beacon with a main character getting back in the fights and in range of communication of doesn't make sense for it to be pointless because Salem was mistaken)

Atlas going dark makes it very apparent that something is wrong to the world. (Especially as neither Vale nor Mantle likely doesn't have the capacity to take Atlas alone. Menagerie is a non entity in global politics aside from the WF and Vacuo likely doesn't have the organization to gather an army. If Atlas falls now, both Vale and Mantle knows they themselves didn't have a hand in it. At least until someone stirs up more trouble.)

Vacuo however, there isn't a reason to attack. Shade is a hunter academy while all the academies are politicized somewhat Shade seems the least due to not having a government to answer to. An attack on Shade is an attack on the hunting institution and/or the CCT tower. And no one has a reason for that. Cinder spent season 2 & 3 manufacturing possible motives for people to attribute to Vale and Atlas.

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[Zam]

Oh yeah, good insight @Storyteller, I had forgotten about the festival, but yeah that'd be the ideal time to wreck stuff up, with all the people coming in there'd be more chaos and the world stage and massive broadcasts make it much easier to create and spread the negative emotions and narrative Salem and Cinder wanted than if they tried to pull similar stuff without the tournament as their stage, they'd simply lack the exposure.

 

[Sunder the Gold]

Spoiler

We don't know if Blake's father is a fighter (I personally think she learned her weapon skills from her mother, given their shared "dangling tail-like ribbon" feature), but I'm going to assume he is.

Not just because he was the former leader of the White Fang, but mostly because he's fucking hueg.

In a world with Aura, you can't really tell which guy is super-humanly strong or not, just by looking him. If a guy bigger than Yatuhashi doesn't know how to use Aura, then tiny little Ruby could bend him over her knee.

But size still matters. Bigger people stand out more; they attract more attention. If someone who knows Aura is looking to intimidate a crowd of people who don't, he's going to pick on the big guy to make it clear that no one else has a chance.

Even normal people are going to look to the bigger and taller people and expect them to be stronger.


So, I imagine that bigger-than-average people on Remnant are subtly pressured to develop Aura skills in order to meet everyone's expectations and also to protect themselves from someone looking for an "example" to make.

 

[Tython82]

• Lack of Representation at the Vytale Festival which and I quote: "celebration of the world's cultures

• Lack of consideration in World of Remnant segments.

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Sorry this took me a while to get to since I needed to make sure all my points were well on point.

Anyway for the Lack of representation if we are talking about the Tournament that comes down to which teams the respective academies decide to field in the tournament, so it could be that there were teams with faunus members that didn't meet the requirements for the tournament not due to being faunus but for a lack of combat ability(with the exception of the Atlas Team and Sun's team although that only had one member as a faunus and the Atlas Team only had 2 members being shown so for all we know they had 1-2 more faunus members unless I missed something during the final battle of Beacon in volume 3 where we saw the whole Atlas team )

For the World of Remnant segments........that is more up to the writers deciding on what story elements they need to explain and convey to audience so as not to clutter up the episodes with exposition and making characters seem dumber then they should be i.e. Jaune not knowing about aura so that Pyrrha can explain what Aura is to the audience .

 

[Mook]

Sorry this took me a while to get to since I needed to make sure all my points were well on point.

Anyway for the Lack of representation if we are talking about the Tournament that comes down to which teams the respective academies decide to field in the tournament, so it could be that there were teams with faunus members that didn't meet the requirements for the tournament not due to being faunus but for a lack of combat ability(with the exception of the Atlas Team and Sun's team although that only had one member as a faunus and the Atlas Team only had 2 members being shown so for all we know they had 1-2 more faunus members unless I missed something during the final battle of Beacon in volume 3 where we saw the whole Atlas team )

For the World of Remnant segments........that is more up to the writers deciding on what story elements they need to explain and convey to audience so as not to clutter up the episodes with exposition and making characters seem dumber then they should be i.e. Jaune not knowing about aura so that Pyrrha can explain what Aura is to the audience .

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I think you're missing the point here. What he's saying isn't that there should have been more Faunus on the teams from the Four Kingdoms. He's saying that Menagerie does not have an Academy to represent them in the Tournament despite being a nation in their own right. Now maybe they don't have a proper Academy but if Atlas could splurge a CCT tower to 3 other Kingdoms in the name of unity, peace and cooperation surely the 4 Kingdoms combined could have splurged a bit to help Menagerie make a proper Academy so that they could better defend themselves from the Grimm and participate in the global world peace ceremony?

Similarly what he's saying about the World of Remnant segments is that they're a good indication of how the people on Remnant see things. Its not The Five Kingdoms, instead its The Four Kingdoms.... And Menagerie. We see this a lot in the show itself. People hold a lot of speeches about the Four Kingdoms or talk about the Four Kingdoms. But people practically never mention Menagerie as an actual political entity. Not unless they're talking about Faunus history and/or discrimination anyway. Its not jumping in your face but when you actually think about it that's pretty significant. The Faunus were given a place to call their own but that place isn't recognized as a proper political entity. People don't talk about it like its a proper country, Atlas didn't deign to make a CCT for them despite Ozpin's talk about everyone having a voice and no voice being silenced, the Vytal Festival celebrates peace and unity between all the nations in the world except for Menagerie, etc.

Its starting to become a lot easier to understand why the Faunus are pissed of. Worst of all this attitude is exactly why the White Fang is able to get away with the shit it does. Because Menagerie doesn't have a CCT they can only get their news through snailmail which makes it easy for the White Fang to suppress information and spread false information and there's very little anyone can do to stop it because most people on Menagerie are unable to fact-check.

 

[Tython82]

I think you're missing the point here. What he's saying isn't that there should have been more Faunus on the teams from the Four Kingdoms. He's saying that there Menagerie does not have an Academy to represent them in the Tournament despite being a nation in their own right. Now maybe they don't have a proper Academy but if Atlas could splurge a CCT tower to 3 other Kingdoms in the name of unity, peace and cooperation surely the 4 Kingdoms combined could have splurged a bit to help Menagerie make a proper Academy so that they could better defend themselves from the Grimm and participate in the global world peace ceremony?

Similarly what he's saying about the World of Remnant segments is that they're a good indication of how the people on Remnant see things. Its not The Five Kingdoms, instead its The Four Kingdoms.... And Menagerie. We see this a lot in the show itself. People hold a lot of speeches about the Four Kingdoms or talk about the Four Kingdoms. But people practically never mention Menagerie as an actual political entity. Not unless they're talking about Faunus history and/or discrimination anyway. Its not jumping in your face but when you actually think about it that's pretty significant. The Faunus were given a place to call their own but that place isn't recognized as a proper political entity. People don't talk about it like its a proper country, Atlas didn't deign to make a CCT for them despite Ozpin's talk about everyone having a voice and no voice being silenced, the Vytal Festival celebrates peace and unity between all the nations in the world except for Menagerie, etc.

Its starting to become a lot easier to understand why the Faunus are pissed of. Worst of all this attitude is exactly why the White Fang is able to get away with the shit it does. Because Menagerie doesn't have a CCT they can only get their news through snail mail which makes it easy for the White Fang to suppress information and spread false information and there's very little anyone can do to stop it because most people on Menagerie are unable to fact-check.

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That makes more sense when you put it that way and it does make more sense how the White Fang were able to do what they did without the entirety of Menagerie knowing the full extent of there actions.

 

[Magnificate]

Spoiler

Wait, wasn't Blake supposed to be an orphan? I guess that's fanon creeping-in.

The best part of the episode was the fact that the details of the Beacon Fall haven't reached Menagerie, I find that quite realistic.

The worst part of the episode was seeing the hooded White Fang dudes. What, is White Fang suddenly some sort of cult?

Parents' designs were uneven, Blake's mother looks extremely well, whereas her father is "generic big character" with nothing to him.

 

[blast flame]

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Wait, wasn't Blake supposed to be an orphan? I guess that's fanon creeping-in.

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People assumed that due to the "practically born into the white fang" comment; thinking she was an orphan raised by white fang members.

Instead that comment is true but it's because she's the daughter of the former leader.

 

[flashburn]

I'm still holding my breath for the first one on one fight, like i want one bad.

 

[Renewal]

I'm still holding my breath for the first one on one fight, like i want one bad.

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It looks like Tyrian will be kicking things into gear in that regard very soon. I'm betting whatever fight he gets into will be the climax of the last episode of 2016.

 

[Feng Lengshun]

I think you're missing the point here. What he's saying isn't that there should have been more Faunus on the teams from the Four Kingdoms. He's saying that Menagerie does not have an Academy to represent them in the Tournament despite being a nation in their own right. Now maybe they don't have a proper Academy but if Atlas could splurge a CCT tower to 3 other Kingdoms in the name of unity, peace and cooperation surely the 4 Kingdoms combined could have splurged a bit to help Menagerie make a proper Academy so that they could better defend themselves from the Grimm and participate in the global world peace ceremony?

Similarly what he's saying about the World of Remnant segments is that they're a good indication of how the people on Remnant see things. Its not The Five Kingdoms, instead its The Four Kingdoms.... And Menagerie. We see this a lot in the show itself. People hold a lot of speeches about the Four Kingdoms or talk about the Four Kingdoms. But people practically never mention Menagerie as an actual political entity. Not unless they're talking about Faunus history and/or discrimination anyway. Its not jumping in your face but when you actually think about it that's pretty significant. The Faunus were given a place to call their own but that place isn't recognized as a proper political entity. People don't talk about it like its a proper country, Atlas didn't deign to make a CCT for them despite Ozpin's talk about everyone having a voice and no voice being silenced, the Vytal Festival celebrates peace and unity between all the nations in the world except for Menagerie, etc.

Its starting to become a lot easier to understand why the Faunus are pissed of. Worst of all this attitude is exactly why the White Fang is able to get away with the shit it does. Because Menagerie doesn't have a CCT they can only get their news through snailmail which makes it easy for the White Fang to suppress information and spread false information and there's very little anyone can do to stop it because most people on Menagerie are unable to fact-check.

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I think their situation is kind of like Macau. A Macau that is bullied by big sister China, or in this case, Mistral. Remember that Adam was going to head back to Mistral and for a person as extremist as Adam... well, it's one big clue at least. I still don't think it excuses the insanely low civilization level of Menagerie, but it's one of the few things that helps. A shame that it come from fan speculation - thus, basically us covering the creator's ass - instead of actual reasoning on the creator's part.

 

[Sinsystems]

So just finished watching the episode and in regards to Blake's house being so big I think a good theory is that it's essentially the presidential house equivalent on Menagerie, so odds are if Blake's dad wasn't the Leader then he'd likely be living on one of the much smaller places...at least that is what makes the most sense to me.

Also I am honestly not surprised at the religious vibes coming from the White Fang Duo since Religious mindsets and structure is a pretty good way to indoctrinate people into your cause. I can sort of see the local white fang being sort of like a cult that exploits the relative isolation of menagerie to get new members.

 

[Mook]

I think their situation is kind of like Macau. A Macau that is bullied by big sister China, or in this case, Mistral. Remember that Adam was going to head back to Mistral and for a person as extremist as Adam... well, it's one big clue at least. I still don't think it excuses the insanely low civilization level of Menagerie, but it's one of the few things that helps. A shame that it come from fan speculation - thus, basically us covering the creator's ass - instead of actual reasoning on the creator's part.

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Yeah maybe don't jump the gun so much? You should probably wait until we actually get to see Adam's backstory and actual details on Menagerie before you start talking about having to cover the creators ass. RWBY is still a very short show and its only just started expanding outside the borders of the single school and a few locations within a short flight of it that we've seen from other volumes.

 

[Feng Lengshun]

Yeah maybe don't jump the gun so much? You should probably wait until we actually get to see Adam's backstory and actual details on Menagerie before you start talking about having to cover the creators ass.

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Sorry, but I really don't like having to theorize just to make everything works and make sense. Theories aren't valid defenses for the creators selling big ideas and not thinking about the logistics that would make it work. And I am not just talking about Rooster Teeth, or even Rooster Teeth in particular. It was a general statement on my dislike of using theories, on using things that weren't even heavily implied and thus basically make one pull ideas from outside of the show just to support the theories, then act as if it excuses poor presentation and elaboration on the creator's part. In general, I draw the line when I have to make theories that fits but aren't really based on any solid evidence or visible/apparent heavy implications from the work itself (basically, I'm fine with VaatiVidya but not with MattPatt - I enjoy both, but I don't take the latter seriously).

In regards to the execution of Menagerie, I'll change my mind when they do elaborate and explains how their ideas work in the story and they do it in a good way. Until then I will remain skeptical and critical. People can have very interesting and fanciful theories - hell, even I did - but I'm not going to to take it and then turn a blind eye to creator's actual performance in the work itself. Sorry, but I'm just a big believer on the Death of the Author concept in general.

If that sounds unfair, then I can't say anything other than that I'm personally invested in the Faunus and Menagerie situation and hence why I am understandably watching RT like a hawk and very critical towards them. But I can assure you that I am not going to unfairly judge them. On the opposite, I will judge them fairly based on what I have seen. It's just that what I have seen really isn't selling me on the whole idea of "Faunus and Menagerie are unfairly oppressed" narrative. If that isn't the direction they are heading towards, then it's fine, but if it is then I will have to criticise them on poor presentation and execution based on what I've seen thus far.

Rooster Teeth is a big boy now, and that only means they need more people being critical of them so that they can grow better as creators and make better show. I criticize RWBY because I'm invested in the situation presented and the show itself (in other words, because I like it). Am I jumping the gun? Maybe, but I'm just giving my opinions based on what I have actually seen, rather than some imaginary future episodes/WoR/interviews, in addition to a general, non-specific, statement on my dislike of taking theories as fact and defense for the work.

RWBY is still a very short show and its only just started expanding outside the borders of the single school and a few locations within a short flight of it that we've seen from other volumes.

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Even more important that I be critical of it, because they are threading in unfamilar charts for the show. On another note, I would say they could have done some build-up and worldbuilding while they were in the school, which was a very useful setting to exposit on worldbuilding.


Sorry, but I have to go now, time for me to go out.

 

[Storyteller]

n general, I draw the line when I have to make theories that fits but aren't really based on any solid evidence or visible/apparent heavy implications from the work itself

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Visible implications/ visible evidence:

• Menagerie established in the aftermath of the Great War while Atlas established the CCT towers after the Great War yet there are only 4 CCT towers -fact
• *Despite the Vytale festival, which is not just the tournament but stalls selling food, clothing and other cultural exchangables, being founded due to the Great War no sign of Menagerie anywhere - fact.
• *"If the people of Remnant are to speak then they shall do so together or not at all" Again no CCT tower in Menagerie. The above was never true. - fact
• *Cardin was able to compare the Faunus to Animals in class without any greater repercussions than what Jaune received for not doing the prescribed reading. -fact
• *Faunus fought a war to not be exported to Menagerie - fact

On another note, I would say they could have done some build-up and worldbuilding while they were in the school,

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Entries denoted with an asterisk were aired prior to Volume 4. There was build up in the previous volumes.

Maybe, but I'm just giving my opinions based on what I have actually seen,

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So far the evidence has been in the absence of things rather than the presence. But that absence is visible.

 

[jwolfe_beta]

Thoughts on the episode.

While the place doesn't look too crowded at first, the racism etc on the kingdoms probably ensures a constant stream of Faunus traveling to the only 'homeland' they have. That combined with the fairly limited space (living and agriculture), technology compared to the other 'realms' etc probably means that they have some issues. They probably can't get all that much in the way of foreign trade either.

As somebody mentioned on SB and I agree with:

Spoiler: Stray cat strut

Just want to point out that Blake is apparently still subconsciously strutting like a catwalk model everywhere she goes.

Look at her, man. She can't even get off a fucking boat without making at least five more people want to shop with her favorite tailor.

And on a related note, Sun just cannot win any points with Ghira today.:lol
Though to be fair to (Ba)ghira this is the scruffy monkey that followed his darling daughter home. He's obligated to make the kid start sweating in fear.

WF religious monks, joy and rapture.
Though I'm pretty sure that papa cat knows the two are feeding him a load of bull big enough to bury an Ursa.

Annnnd the two creepy monks are going to be informing Adam that Blake is in Menagerie. This is going to be bad. Here's hoping that Blake's family can fight because I don't think psycho-boy is going to care if they're Faunus or not when it comes to 'punishing' his love for her 'betrayal' to him and the cause.

 

[Regency]

Gheera (sp?) is really tall, Sun is like 6-foot+ right? And Kali is the current best mom, which is not saying much because the competition is an alcoholic and Raven.

Spoiler: V4E5 short thoughts

Also is it just me or Sun is uncharacteristically dumb even by his standards? though it may be because he's awed by 'crowded (I think it's the animators that can't make it as crowded as it seems without complications in and out of the show) haven for Faunus, the fact Blake is loaded, and a sudden meet parents moment. Obviously evil WF disappointed me, also show don't tell that they're on Adam's side (Sienna might be just turning a blind eye, but she is related to Salem via Hazel). Though it is a problem since previous volumes (which I binged after watching Breach before following RWBY weekly thru V3, which in hindsight is a bit dumb of me) of telling but not showing enough reason of discrimination for WF to be radicalized (Great War and Menagerie explains a bit)

 

[Tython82]

Gheera (sp?) is really tall, Sun is like 6-foot+ right? And Kali is the current best mom, which is not saying much because the competition is an alcoholic and Raven.

Spoiler: V4E5 short thoughts

Also is it just me or Sun is uncharacteristically dumb even by his standards? though it may be because he's awed by 'crowded (I think it's the animators that can't make it as crowded as it seems without complications in and out of the show) haven for Faunus, the fact Blake is loaded, and a sudden meet parents moment. Obviously evil WF disappointed me, also show don't tell that they're on Adam's side (Sienna might be just turning a blind eye, but she is related to Salem via Hazel). Though it is a problem since previous volumes (which I binged after watching Breach before following RWBY weekly thru V3, which in hindsight is a bit dumb of me) of telling but not showing enough reason of discrimination for WF to be radicalized (Great War and Menagerie explains a bit)

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Blake being loaded to some extent does make sense when you remember she was able to afford going to Beacon which is said to be the best Hunter Academy and that kind of education would require money, although that still doesn't explain how Jaune affords going to school there.

 

[Zam]

Spoiler

Blake being loaded to some extent does make sense when you remember she was able to afford going to Beacon which is said to be the best Hunter Academy and that kind of education would require money, although that still doesn't explain how Jaune affords going to school there.

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Ren and Nora are orphans as well and they got in, I think so long as someone qualifies in the skill department the academy will accommodate.

Also is it just me or Sun is uncharacteristically dumb even by his standards?

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I think we can drop spoilers now, its been made public right?

To me, honestly no, this is still the guy that spilled "The best part is, she's a Faunus!... But don't tell anyone." to Neptune after all.

 

[Tython82]

Ren and Nora are orphans as well and they got in, I think so long as someone qualifies in the skill department the academy will accommodate.

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Would be interesting to see how Beacon and the other academies actually function financially(such as does beacon have scholarships for prodigies and such) since yeah big school like that would need quite a bit of cash to run properly.

 

[Zam]

Would be interesting to see how Beacon and the actually functions financially(such as does beacon have scholarships for prodigies and such) since yeah big school like that would need quite a bit of cash to run properly.

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Quite true, I imagine it'd be government funded and maybe also gets some degree of pay for organising mission boards and the like, but yeah the specifics would be interesting, especially in regards to student screening.

 

[Tython82]

Quite true, I imagine it'd be government funded and maybe also gets some degree of pay for organising mission boards and the like, but yeah the specifics would be interesting, especially in regards to student screening.

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Might go along way to explain how Jaune with fake transcripts got into the school in the first place.

 

[Feng Lengshun]

Visible implications/ visible evidence:

• Menagerie established in the aftermath of the Great War while Atlas established the CCT towers after the Great War yet there are only 4 CCT towers -fact
• *Despite the Vytale festival, which is not just the tournament but stalls selling food, clothing and other cultural exchangables, being founded due to the Great War no sign of Menagerie anywhere - fact.
• *"If the people of Remnant are to speak then they shall do so together or not at all" Again no CCT tower in Menagerie. The above was never true. - fact
• *Cardin was able to compare the Faunus to Animals in class without any greater repercussions than what Jaune received for not doing the prescribed reading. -fact
• *Faunus fought a war to not be exported to Menagerie - fact

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I honestly think you're missing the point that I was trying to make, which was that I really don't like it when theories are used as excuse the creator's own lacking elaboration and execution. In general, not just RWBY, RT, or the current topic.

Your listed facts were the main reasons for why I compared it to Macau (and in SB, to both Israel and Palestine at the same time). It's a very plausible theory that Menagerie is the combination of all three, but again, it's just theory. We don't have solid view of the entirety of the puzzle that is Menagerie and Faunus or how they all fit together just yet from the show itself, and I'm not going to do the creator's work for them.

I'm waiting for them to really show the problems that they have and the legitimacy of those problems. Because what I see in Menagerie is an Arcadia that is becoming crowded because the citizen isn't addressing the problem of space and lack of resources/export which they had eighty years and two wars to deal with. In other words, lack of genuine problems against the Faunus and more problems that they created by themselves and then whine about. If they are going towards the Faunus being oppressed by humans instead of failing to act and raise as a civilization, then they are failing.

A bit harsh, since it's just one episode, I know. But that is how it came across to me who follow the Muslim refugee news closely and am invested in it heavily as I am a Muslim myself. I mean, if they want to use it to poke the Muslim refugees as well, then that's fine, I'm not one of those people who would go berserk when Muslims are criticized. But if they are going for the Black slavery and racism angle then they're kind of failing in that regards.

I think it adds more nuance to the situation in that both sides are equally blameful for the problem, though it could also easily fall apart and weight too far to the other side. Still, that's all based on Sun's remarks and my own opinion colored by my own views, knowledge, and other biases. What I do know is that before this episode they were highly oriented to the Black racism problem and that the problems are mostly on the human side being jerks (and some extremists not helping the matter), and what was shown of Menagerie and its "problems" isn't making the Faunus look good in that regards.

Ugh, sorry if I'm incoherent and sounded too emotional, I'm still having headache and is sleepy from my Adv. Accounting test. Will go to sleep now, so sorry if I took a while to reply.

Entries denoted with an asterisk were aired prior to Volume 4. There was build up in the previous volumes.

So far the evidence has been in the absence of things rather than the presence. But that absence is visible.

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They're mostly suggestions rather than them clearly describing the situation with the Faunus and Menagerie. I know that real world problems are incredibly complex and is hard to state clearly in a few paragraphs and pictures that do the situation justice. I personally think that it would have been great if we had more still images, lingering views, and closer interactions that shows the lives of the Faunus in Menagerie itself. I don't think it would be particularly hard and they had the time to do it as well. Showing snippets of the lives of the citizen's of a place is the best way to sell a view, I think.

But honestly I think it's Blake showing her own biases with her descriptions and that the Faunus is part of the problem as well. I am most definitely not buying her claims that it's (paraphrasing, because I don't have time to rewatch the episode right now) "The one place where everyone is welcomed." Faunus, maybe, but I sure as hell bet that humans would get the stink eye if they go or live there. I think that the situation with Menagerie is "Everyone is living happily, but they're starting to realize that there are problems that are looming in the horizon that they should have addressed long ago," much like the global warming and climate change problem we have (or, well, any historical energy problems in general).

...see, this is the problem with lack of solid descriptions and showing how the exact situations are. There's too many way too see it and I don't know if any of them are correct, valid, and/or what the creator wanted.