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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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    • Zam said:
    While you raise some interesting pints and I am no architect, given Remnant construction and possibly a lack of research on RT's side could the communication room just be above the pylons but not the top floor?
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    No, there's literally no spot on the tower shot from the fall of beacon
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    That matches with what the exterior walls/windows of the communications room look like in V2E3 at 6:40.

    The closest is the level just below the "crown" section of the tower that the dragon is knocking off. But even there we don't see the exterior struts angled out and then in like we see in the communication room.

    Zam said:
    Also I don't think there are any other giant towers in Beacon.
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    In V1E2 at about 1:08 we get our first real look at Beacon. The whole place is a series of towers.

    Zam said:
    Also keep in mind Pyrrha went into Ozpin's office, went down the elevator in the same building, contained within was Amber. Later Ozpin was in his office and watching things proceed, called Pyrrha inside and later tole her the tower cannot fall, and there was nos discernible change in location as far as I am aware.
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    Does he actually say it's the communication's tower? Because Beacon itself is really damn important. Saying Beacon cannot fall even without the communications side is a fair assessment. Not only is it where Huntsmen are trained, it's also a symbol, and morale has incredible value in Remnant where the Grimm are drawn to negative emotions.
     
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    inverted_helix said:
    In V1E2 at about 1:08 we get our first real look at Beacon. The whole place is a series of towers.
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    I meant any as big as the one Ozpin was shown to inhabit and the CCT seemed to be.

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    No, there's literally no spot on the tower shot from the fall of beacon
    http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...r_Falls.png/revision/latest?cb=20160214160844
    That matches with what the exterior walls/windows of the communications room look like in V2E3 at 6:40.

    The closest is the level just below the "crown" section of the tower that the dragon is knocking off. But even there we don't see the exterior struts angled out and then in like we see in the communication room.
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    Actually looking at those seeming windows I think those are actually screens, several have lot of white lines and bars on them so I don't think they're windows and so it could be anywhere in the tower.

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    Does he actually say it's the communication's tower? Because Beacon itself is really damn important. Saying Beacon cannot fall even without the communications side is a fair assessment. Not only is it where Huntsmen are trained, it's also a symbol, and morale has incredible value in Remnant where the Grimm are drawn to negative emotions.
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    Sorry when are you referring to? He referenced the tower they were in which has the same interior when Weiss visited it as when Pyrrha ran through it, I doubt RT would go and design or use a functionally identical room for two separate locations and not clarify it.
     
    Zam said:
    I meant any as big as the one Ozpin was shown to inhabit and the CCT seemed to be.
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    Beacon tower excluding the top crown portion in that scene is only as big as several of the other towers around it. The Communications room can't be in the crown section regardless so it's meaningless to total size.

    Zam said:
    Actually looking at those seeming windows I think those are actually screens, several have lot of white lines and bars on them so I don't think they're windows and so it could be anywhere in the tower.
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    As I said whether they are windows on the exterior or not doesn't matter. Look at the support beams that go between the windows. The distinct out kink and then coming back in. There is no where on Beacon tower that matches that.

    Zam said:
    Sorry when are you referring to? He referenced the tower they were in which has the same interior when Weiss visited it as when Pyrrha ran through it, I doubt RT would go and design or use a functionally identical room for two separate locations and not clarify it.
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    I was quoting you, when are you referring to?

    Recycling a set previously used is just time saving. They just remove the computer panels (which were present in the CCT tower but never in the Beacon tower) and they're done making the room. Saves a lot of animation time. Plus it's not an unreasonable design standard for a skyscraper in the first place. Central pillars offer significant virtues in terms of building design.
     
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    inverted_helix said:
    Beacon tower excluding the top crown portion in that scene is only as big as several of the other towers around it. The Communications room can't be in the crown section regardless so it's meaningless to total size.
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    Sorry but do you have a size reference for that, I can't think of any comparable towers that weren't very far off in the background.

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    As I said whether they are windows on the exterior or not doesn't matter. Look at the support beams that go between the windows. The distinct out kink and then coming back in. There is no where on Beacon tower that matches that.
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    Different floors have different architecture maybe?

    inverted_helix said:
    I was quoting you, when are you referring to?

    Recycling a set previously used is just time saving. They just remove the computer panels (which were present in the CCT tower but never in the Beacon tower) and they're done making the room. Saves a lot of animation time. Plus it's not an unreasonable design standard for a skyscraper in the first place. Central pillars offer significant virtues in terms of building design.
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    You said (Does he actually say it's the communication's tower?) and I was not sure what that was about, though I am pretty sure he just say 'the tower'.

    The power appears to be off, presumably thanks to Cinder's virus, I imagine that's why the screens aren't visible, plus no one is using them.
     
    inverted_helix said:
    I'd be interested in some citations for that because I don't see any in a quick search.
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    ...I can't believe I forgot to edit those into my post before I clicked reply. :oops:
    For general reading on the topic I recommend Atomic Rocket's sub-topic on the matter. For more scientific citations there is Wheat Farming in a Lunar Base and Corp Production for Advanced Life Support Systems.

    Microgravity to a properly engineered plant would also be a significant help since it wouldn't need to waste as much energy on cellulose structural elements that humans can't process anyway.
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    While theoretically true to the best of my knowledge none of the relevant experiments actually involved micro gravity, likely due to how difficult it is to generate sustainability here on Earth.

    Closed systems don't actually make that much of a difference in growing plants because you're exchanging the air with the person eating the crops. Any oxygen the plants produce is converted to carbon dioxide when the human eats the produce. If you're producing the right amount of food per person then it's going to run in equilibrium just fine. Your closed system just has to have enough tolerance for the swings. Closed systems are also nice in that the various minerals that we have to use as fertilizers to get yields in farms so high can't escape.
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    My comment about closed systems was more that from my reading the systems tested were quite fragile and required a lot of care to maintain a stable balance. Being able to have the system open to atmospheric air should reduce that fragility a lot.

    I suppose with aeroponics you might be able to cut it down that much, but you'd also be making a very labor intense farm that way because large harvesting equipment couldn't work in such an environment. You'd end up needing a whole army of atlas quality robots just to run the farms.
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    That is one of the problems discussed in the various papers and the like on the topic. Of course given that on Remnant they'd have had decades of time, and a pressing need, to work on the problem they may very well have small scale harvesting equipment.

    It would also require you to provide the light. Which makes for very expensive food.

    Dust is expensive, it's said from the very first episode. Which implies that electrical power isn't going to be cheap either, since many signs point to them never having developed alternative energy sources.
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    The cost of Dust alone isn't really enough to estimate the cost of electricity. Compare and contrast Coal and Uranium. Coal clocks in at $45.66 per ton while Uranium costs $130,000 per ton and yet Uranium costs $0.0015/kWh vs. Coal's $0.0237/kWh. So really we'd need to know how much electricity they can extract from Dust before we can even begin to estimate the cost of electricity.

    That being said I don't it's that expensive given the masses of electronic devices we see around Vale sucking up power.


    Edit: Just a warning but since I prefer to watch RWBY on Youtube I probably won't be popping back in until Ep1 shows up there so as to avoid spoilers.
     
    Daniel Estacado said:
    So you need to have a membership to watch the video's on their site now?
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    You don't have to for older shows. But for new shows, yes. The release scheme is immediately for FIRST (paid) members, the day after for free members, and the week after for everyone else (including those without account on RT, YouTube, and Crunchyroll as well).
     
    The basic account just needs an email address anyway, so it's trivial to see the episode now.
     
    inverted_helix said:
    I want that WoG. Link it.
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    I will look for it but seriously how obtuse can you be? The Grimm Dragon destroys Ozpin's tower and gets stuck there. At the same time the CCT goes down (and Ozpin was very adamant that the tower must not fall) and nobody manages to fix it in the 6-8 months afterwards? Bullshit, if it was a different building then they could have just gotten tech support in and removed the virus. The CCT was down anyway and they have had half a year at least to work on it.

    Also

    That's Ozpin's freaking tower right there. Stop being such a freaking contrarian. The CCT being located elsewhere makes no sense when it comes to the story or what we've actually seen. At this point you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

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    And here we go! The final nail in the coffin!
    https://m.facebook.com/comment/repl...3886933&gfid=AQAhwakuEBgHSvG8#928449647214571
     
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    What a disappointing episode. One character was fucking edgy as shit. The mood while it somewhat makes sense since its fucking 8 months ahead just feels fucking off with everything that went down.
     
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    Na7eY said:
    What a disappointing episode. One character was fucking edgy as shit. The mood while it somewhat makes sense since its fucking 8 months ahead just feels fucking off with everything that went down.
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    yeah, to say that his personality was overbearing would be putting it lightly
    and the other guy who gets screentime to say "I WILL BE IMPORTANT LATER" while doing sod all
     
    Just finished watching on RT (it's out for anybody now so no point in spoilers) and now thoughts.

    -Love the Grimm summoning/birth animation but I have to wonder where said goo comes from. We had the dragon 'leaking' the stuff but no real source in that scene.

    -Salem's minions seem to only united in their loyalty to her and have no issues tossing 'failures' under the bus. I also got the impression Cinder is the newest inductee into the group.

    -The evil lady herself is surprisingly even tempered, polite and considerate for an unholy force bent on destroying all of humanity. No rants, threats etc, she listens to her subordinates, considers what they have to say, explains the way and how of things and even alters her orders/plans based on the requests/information they give her. My opinion of why she told laughing boy to hunt down Ruby is two-fold: A. Throw Cinder a bone because she did complete her objectives despite all the damage she received and B: The girl has been demonstrated to be a monkey-wrench. Best deal with her now when we have the leisure to instead of later when we might not.

    -Ten to one, farm-boy is going to be important somehow. Or as people have said, M&K (and Monty wherever you are) might just be trolling us here with a red herring.

    - Ren and Nora. :lol:rofl::lol:rofl: That is all.

    -The Geist, I like this critter. It's a massive shift from the animalistic Grimm the crew are used to and heralds the potential arrival of all sorts of interesting Gribbles.

    -I presume they had Jaune shown like this to indicate that he still has shades of the dork from v1-3 and hasn't gone full edge master on us. Could have done it better but I like the new armor and weapon design. Hopefully he'll have a better showing next fight.

    -Liked the little snapshot of the villages and......Nora, Ren? How could you forget the map?:facepalm: (Ren buddy, you're as bad as your sorta-kinda girlfriend at times) More importantly why doesn't everybody have a copy of the map just in case?

    -I am getting serious bird in a cage vibes from Weiss here.

    And that's the episode. A nice starter to the season, not perfect but when is anything? As for the intro between it and the Weiss teaser at the episode, it's possible they're going to focus on one 'plotline' per episode with Salem and co taking up snippets as they connect all four. This week we had Ruby, so next it'll be Weiss, than Blake and finally Yang.
     
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    jwolfe_beta said:
    -Ten to one, farm-boy is going to be important somehow. Or as people have said, M&K (and Monty wherever you are) might just be trolling us here with a red herring.
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    My theory which I'm not confident in but would love if turned out to be true: Farm boy there is the Spring Maiden. The power of the Maiden's attaches itself to the Aura(soul) of its host rather than the body after all. That's why the powers can be transferred by removing a persons Aura and putting it in someone else. So if that boy is actually a trans girl who hasn't had any operations then it would make perfect sense that nobody has been able to locate her yet. Both the Ozluminati and the WHTC crew are looking for someone who is physically female so a boy who is female on the inside would slip completely beneath their radars.
     
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