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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • hellgodsrus said:
    Because previously he seemed so stable, what with Blake talking about his past violence, and him chuckling maniacally while being attacked by a giant robot, and responding to powerful crazy lady killing all his men by joining up with her for realz.

    Seriously, as I said before, while he does have depth he's never been a nice guy, and I've never understood how people could say they liked him before this - partly because they had nothing to base their opinion on but mostly because he sounded like a massive bellend. Quelle surprise, he's a massive bellend. Why is this a big deal?
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    Actually, abusive lover!Adam is one of the plot developments this season I actually like. I just think it's funny whenever I see a weirdly specific tag anywhere.

    Also, his way of speaking was way too hammy to be taken seriously, but I appreciate the attempt even if it kind of fell flat because of his voice.
     
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    Imrix said:
    Basically, previously Adam was just dark enough to slap a pair of leather pants on. Now he's leaping off into full creeper territory.
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    Which has never stopped shippers in the past - see the original leather pants wearer. So why are they letting themselves be bothered?
     
    My problem with Adam isnt the VA but rather how out of left field it was. Blake NEVER even hinted Adam was like this. Dangerous revolutionary with a leaning towards violence yes Creepy stalker with a solid dash of abusive boyfriend No.
    Others have pointed out Adam's behavior is ticking off abuser check marks I dont know if that is true or not but what I do know is the 3 times we have seen Adam, Blake trailer Cinder Flashback and season 2 ending, he hasnt even remotely acted like this.

    Some of us have wondered if he is under Mind control and honestly this kind of backs it up until we really get Blake's reaction outside of terror we really dont know if this is the real Adam or not.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    Which has never stopped shippers in the past - see the original leather pants wearer. So why are they letting themselves be bothered?
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    I'm talking about a difference in scale more than kind. Draco was a prat, but he was comparatively petty and laughable in his pratness. Adam has much darker implications.
     
    One of the worrying things is that Blake doesn't act like Adam's behavior is really out of the ordinary.
    So it seems like this is his normal attitude, to a degree.
     
    skaianDestiny said:
    Okay, I'm trying to make sense of the map of Vale.



    Despite the large area it takes up, Beacon Academy actually looks to be very small. From the single faraway shot we see of it, it's at the very end of the river, which turns out the be fucking massive. I don't think Earth has rivers that wide.



    Scaling the rest of the map, I find it unlikely most of the actual city is in danger. Perhaps the perimeter districts, but the actual core of the city's fine.
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    I thought you were just using concept art but that is in fact the background they used in Episode 1 just with the airship removed. So holy shit Vale is huge! :o
    Not Texas huge but still.
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    To be fair, abuse victims never really talk about their abuse, and Blake may not have realized that it was an abusive relationship.


    I haven't seen that art in a while.
    And I'd love to see that little dock down at the base of the cliff.
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    See normally I could buy that except for the fact she does talk about her past and she flat out states the increasing violence was the reason for her leaving.
    We are also shown when she left in the Blake trailer and even Adam right after that event. If we remove Adam's dialogue from this last episode NONE of that would show an abusive relationship.
    It is in fact only the Dialogue which cast it into that light.

    TheBleachDoctor said:
    One of the worrying things is that Blake doesn't act like Adam's behavior is really out of the ordinary.
    So it seems like this is his normal attitude, to a degree.
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    Actually no she doesnt she doesnt act like its much of anything normal or bad she just acts like this is her worst nightmare come to life with white fang attacking her school and her having to fight adam and Adam hurting her firends.

    I am personally going to wait for next episode to see if Adam is acting normal or not because we really dont get a reaction out of Blake outside of mental shutdown.
    And you cant say that is proof since the White Fang thing last time pulled a like reaction out of her.
     
    revanninja said:
    See normally I could buy that except for the fact she does talk about her past and she flat out states the increasing violence was the reason for her leaving.
    We are also shown when she left in the Blake trailer and even Adam right after that event. If we remove Adam's dialogue from this last episode NONE of that would show an abusive relationship.
    It is in fact only the Dialogue which cast it into that light.
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    Abusive relationships aren't 24/7 things.
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    Actually no she doesnt she doesnt act like its much of anything normal or bad she just acts like this is her worst nightmare come to life with white fang attacking her school and her having to fight adam and Adam hurting her firends.

    I am personally going to wait for next episode to see if Adam is acting normal or not because we really dont get a reaction out of Blake outside of mental shutdown.
    And you cant say that is proof since the White Fang thing last time pulled a like reaction out of her.
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    I said "to a degree" because we didn't really get an indication that Blake was particularly shocked by his behavior, aside from the whole White Fang is attacking Vale thing.

    While you're right in that we don't have much to go off of, I highly doubt that Adam is going to do a full 180. If he changed at all, Blake's dialogue last volume indicated that change was long ago.
     
    Certain salt-mines on tumblr have given me the impression that many Adam fans are angry because they thought RT was going to make the violent terrorist oppressed civil rights warrior a sympathetic character.

    Ignoring the fact that the White Fang have been antagonists since Season one, Blake left because Adam was a horrible person (WF was violent before she left), and Weiss revealed they were "disappearing" SDC members.

    Ignoring that, apparently being an obsessive sadist asshole massively contradicts his previous characterization of ~4 lines. How dare RT not make him a misguided woobie! He was obviously caring and reasonable before, when he showed complete disregard for civilian life, promised the WF would continue working for Cinder, and didn't let a random human take over the WF the first time she asked! :rolleyes:
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Abusive relationships aren't 24/7 things.

    I said "to a degree" because we didn't really get an indication that Blake was particularly shocked by his behavior, aside from the whole White Fang is attacking Vale thing.

    While you're right in that we don't have much to go off of, I highly doubt that Adam is going to do a full 180. If he changed at all, Blake's dialogue last volume indicated that change was long ago.
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    See again I have to disagree the behavior right when Blake left would show it the most and we dont get that. If adam was an abuser the time right after she left would be the time he would be going off the deep end in either anger or trying to find her and that isnt shown.
    we didnt get an indication that Blake was anything really she basically shutdown as far as I can tell and it was taking all she had just to act. She doesnt really say much of anything outside of I am going to fight you adam.
    And I didnt say Adam was going to do a 180 either now did I? What I am saying is that the behavior of Adam in the last episode does not line up with ALL other behaviors of Adam that we have seen in the past.
    Basically we have a case where a character is not acting like he has in all past examples of themselves. For example in the Black Trailer Adam calls Blake by her name not darling ane we know the trailers are actually canon. In that same trailer Blake isnt upset about the leaving just resigned to it all she says is a quiet Goodbye now I am no expert but if someone was in an abusive relationship that would not be how I would expect them to react on both sides.

    MinorGryph said:
    Certain salt-mines on tumblr have given me the impression that many Adam fans are angry because they thought RT was going to make the violent terrorist oppressed civil rights warrior a sympathetic character.

    Ignoring the fact that the White Fang have been antagonists since Season one, Blake left because Adam was a horrible person (WF was violent before she left), and Weiss revealed they were "disappearing" SDC members.

    Ignoring that, apparently being an obsessive sadist asshole massively contradicts his previous characterization of ~4 lines. How dare RT not make him a misguided woobie! He was obviously caring and reasonable before, when he showed complete disregard for civilian life, promised the WF would continue working for Cinder, and didn't let a random human take over the WF the first time she asked! :rolleyes:
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    I expected Adam to be a guy with a cause that just went off the deep end he is not a good guy but he is someone you can at least understand.
    And Adam has a lot more character then 4 lines while granted he doesnt have much lines so far the lines he does have and when blake talks about white fang Adam being an Abuser does not come to mind.

    That is my SINGLE issue with Adam his dialogue in the last episode is VERY out of left field for him from what we have seen of him.

    See if they had hinted at Blake having an abusive relationship with Adam I could understand but that never is even hinted at.

    In Vol 1 Chapter 16 when Blake is talking about her past she flat out states it was the violence that made her leave that what was once peaceful protest was now violent protest when their new leader, Adam I assume, took over and it was working.

    That is my issue Adam has not been shown to be like this before this last episode and Blake certainly hasnt acted like he was either.
     
    MinorGryph said:
    Certain salt-mines on tumblr have given me the impression that many Adam fans are angry because they thought RT was going to make the violent terrorist oppressed civil rights warrior a sympathetic character.

    Ignoring the fact that the White Fang have been antagonists since Season one, Blake left because Adam was a horrible person (WF was violent before she left), and Weiss revealed they were "disappearing" SDC members.

    Ignoring that, apparently being an obsessive sadist asshole massively contradicts his previous characterization of ~4 lines. How dare RT not make him a misguided woobie! He was obviously caring and reasonable before, when he showed complete disregard for civilian life, promised the WF would continue working for Cinder, and didn't let a random human take over the WF the first time she asked! :rolleyes:
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    Yeah suffice to say I was curious and checked out Tumblr's reaction to Adam, the majority of posters seem angry he's been cast in a negative light and enraged their ship has been damaged by the experience, there's a lot of "Don't hate Tauadonna, that's mean!" and "Adam, frienzoned, losing friends to social justice" crap popping up along with plenty of "He's totally OOC".

    revanninja said:
    See again I have to disagree the behavior right when Blake left would show it the most and we dont get that. If adam was an abuser the time right after she left would be the time he would be going off the deep end in either anger or trying to find her and that isnt shown.
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    I actually fund a good post yesterday covering this, I'll dig it up.

    So I just found this Tumblr post responding to some posts discussing Adam's behaviour, I think it makes a lot of sense all things considered, though I Imagen some people won't like the posters take on it.
    Discussion on abusive relationships:
    Abuse survivor speaking up before this gets out of hand:

    As much as I would like to agree with what the post is trying to say, the way Adam is being portrayed is nearly 100% accurate.

    Abusers do not usually become violent until they don't get what they want. It won't even be a violent that is out bursting but each time it will become gradual unless something big changes e.i Blake leaving him. Most abusers become outright violent, and murderous when their victim runs for freedom.

    Blake can still refer to them as a good friend, mentor, and generally good person because from the eyes of the victim that's exactly what they are.Good memories can still happen within an abusive relationship.You never see the monster beneath until you are already too deep in love, or caring for the person. You make excuses for them, and rationalize what they are doing is right until you know you have to leave, and get away.

    It's the most accurate portrayal of abuse I have ever seen.

    Honestly both based on what I know of abusive relationships and that very insightful post on the subject about how one can still form happy memories in such a relationship and how the abuser only tends to get violent when they don't get their way I feel this all fits Adam perfectly. Heck, he already has other aspects of an abuser in the bag, he shows little to no consideration for Blake's feelings when planning to blow up civilians,just dismissing her views, and even prior to that despite her "partner" status she's kept out of the loop when Cinder arrives and on their mission statement, micro managing someone's life and keeping them ignorant of what's going on and expecting obedience are, again, fairly common traits in an abuser, they aren't blatantly physical but he probably never, or rarely, felt the need to get physical with Blake until she ditched him.

    skaianDestiny said:
    Well considering the residential districts literally at the edge of Vale, I fail to see how it disproves my point.
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    True I was mostly just suggesting that the damage might do deep 'into' the residential area.
     
    Zam said:
    Yeah suffice to say I was curious and checked out Tumblr's reaction to Adam, the majority of posters seem angry he's been cast in a negative light and enraged their ship has been damaged by the experience, there's a lot of "Don't hate Tauadonna, that's mean!" and "Adam, frienzoned, losing friends to social justice" crap popping up along with plenty of "He's totally OOC".


    I actually fund a good post yesterday covering this, I'll dig it up.

    So I just found this Tumblr post responding to some posts discussing Adam's behaviour, I think it makes a lot of sense all things considered, though I Imagen some people won't like the posters take on it.
    Discussion on abusive relationships:
    Abuse survivor speaking up before this gets out of hand:

    As much as I would like to agree with what the post is trying to say, the way Adam is being portrayed is nearly 100% accurate.

    Abusers do not usually become violent until they don't get what they want. It won't even be a violent that is out bursting but each time it will become gradual unless something big changes e.i Blake leaving him. Most abusers become outright violent, and murderous when their victim runs for freedom.

    Blake can still refer to them as a good friend, mentor, and generally good person because from the eyes of the victim that's exactly what they are.Good memories can still happen within an abusive relationship.You never see the monster beneath until you are already too deep in love, or caring for the person. You make excuses for them, and rationalize what they are doing is right until you know you have to leave, and get away.

    It's the most accurate portrayal of abuse I have ever seen.

    Honestly both based on what I know of abusive relationships and that very insightful post on the subject about how one can still form happy memories in such a relationship and how the abuser only tends to get violent when they don't get their way I feel this all fits Adam perfectly. Heck, he already has other aspects of an abuser in the bag, he shows little to no consideration for Blake's feelings when planning to blow up civilians,just dismissing her views, and even prior to that despite her "partner" status she's kept out of the loop when Cinder arrives and on their mission statement, micro managing someone's life and keeping them ignorant of what's going on and expecting obedience are, again, fairly common traits in an abuser, they aren't blatantly physical but he probably never, or rarely, felt the need to get physical with Blake until she ditched him.


    True I was mostly just suggesting that the damage might do deep 'into' the residential area.
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    I wont claim to be an expert but that isnt what I have seen from abusive relationships especially ones where the abusee left the abuser.
    We also see Adam right after blake left and he wasnt angry then which puts a LARGE dent in the theory.
    The issue here and the one that theory even talks about is Blake LEFT meaning she realized something was wrong and could no longer stand it. That theory only really works if Blake was STILL in the relationship but she isnt and she did it of her own will. And yet we never hear or see abusive relationship hints despite the fact Blake left.

    he is a terrorist leader....no really a lot of that is how they actually handle missions need to know and cinder adam flat out told her no so why even talk to Blake about the crazy human trying to recruit them when he isnt going to take her up on that?

    People need to recall Adam is a Terrorist and a Leader of an anti-human group some of that behavior is going to come because of that. Not caring about human lives is bog standard of that mindset if they arent Fanus they dont matter to him and he probably thinks Blake agrees with him which is the issue she doesnt.

    What we see of Adam and have heard from him doesnt match up with the last episode at all.
     
    revanninja said:
    I wont claim to be an expert but that isnt what I have seen from abusive relationships especially ones where the abusee left the abuser.
    We also see Adam right after blake left and he wasnt angry then which puts a LARGE dent in the theory.
    The issue here and the one that theory even talks about is Blake LEFT meaning she realized something was wrong and could no longer stand it. That theory only really works if Blake was STILL in the relationship but she isnt and she did it of her own will. And yet we never hear or see abusive relationship hints despite the fact Blake left.
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    Being able to restrain his anger around a minion doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't angry, he was very controlled and methodical when beating Blake and crippling Yang in front of her, as for letting her go my assumption, he expected her to come running back and is extra salty because she didn't making her "betrayal" "real".
    I... sorry I actually don't understand what you're trying to say with the second half of your post, leaving an abusive relationship doesn't retroactively make it none abusive, sorry if I misunderstood.
     
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    revanninja said:
    he is a terrorist leader....no really a lot of that is how they actually handle missions need to know and cinder adam flat out told her no so why even talk to Blake about the crazy human trying to recruit them when he isnt going to take her up on that?
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    Sorry hit post before quoting this, it wasn't not telling Blake, in of itself that was the issue, but he had two mooks and the lieutenant in the meeting but he kept his "partner" out of it, restricting her access to people and information.

    revanninja said:
    People need to recall Adam is a Terrorist and a Leader of an anti-human group some of that behavior is going to come because of that. Not caring about human lives is bog standard of that mindset if they arent Fanus they dont matter to him and he probably thinks Blake agrees with him which is the issue she doesnt.

    What we see of Adam and have heard from him doesnt match up with the last episode at all.
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    He also doesn't seem to care much about the Faunus any-more given his reaction to the Breach. I'm not sure how Adam being a terrorist makes him less likely to be an abusive person, it seems to make it more likely given he got used to using extreme violence to solve his problems.

    I disagree, for the reasons I've already stated I'm afraid, to me his behaviour seems equal parts text book and fitting given his previous characterization.
     
    Sinsystems said:
    Okay people I need some help, can anyone think up a team name for the letter W M M N? In any order.
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    Well the first thought that comes to mind is "Worm" but that's probably not a team name people would want. Hmm, as it turns out Wenge is apparently a colour, maybe Ozpin would be forcing it a little but probably no more than Vacuo's headmaster with team SSSN
     
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