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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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    • TheBleachDoctor said:
    Sounds thematically appropriate.
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    Thanks! In truth it may have been inspired by Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood. :oops:

    TheBleachDoctor said:
    I was thinking that Patch has patrolling teams of Huntsmen and Huntresses to protect the civilian populace. At the very least, their police have to be on guard against Grimm attacks 24/7, since the Grimm apparently roam unchecked in uninhabited sections of Patch.

    Compared to the streets of Vale, where the police are used to dealing with criminals, not Grimm.

    But yeah, Patch security probably isn't equipped to deal with swarms of Griffon.
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    While you raise fair points, I'd have personally assumed Patch's defences were more like a traditional villages, possibly even reduced if some of their guardians went to help Vale during the initial Grim spike, though they have a combat academy so I guess an above average Hunter population makes sense.
     
    Zam said:
    While you raise fair points, I'd have personally assumed Patch's defences were more like a traditional villages, possibly even reduced if some of their guardians went to help Vale during the initial Grim spike, though they have a combat academy so I guess an above average Hunter population makes sense.
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    I don't think Patch is the specific target of the attack either, like Beacon or the city. Any Grimm they get is just overflow from the main attack.

    Although yeah, they might have sent their security inland... but not too much, because they still have to defend against Grimm on the island itself.

    Makes me wonder, though, why haven't they wiped out the Grimm on Patch? It's an island, it seems like it'd be possible, and desirable given the civilian populace on it.
    Does it have something to do with how Grimm are created?
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    I don't think Patch is the specific target of the attack either, like Beacon or the city. Any Grimm they get is just overflow from the main attack.

    Although yeah, they might have sent their security inland... but not too much, because they still have to defend against Grimm on the island itself.

    Makes me wonder, though, why haven't they wiped out the Grimm on Patch? It's an island, it seems like it'd be possible, and desirable given the civilian populace on it.
    Does it have something to do with how Grimm are created?
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    That seems quite probably, heck if people do evacuate at all that's likely their first stop so who knows we may see it next season.

    Good point if there was a spike outside of Vale there was presumably one in Patch as well.

    I've asked myself the same question and yeah I assume it might be that Grim can and do spawn and or are perhaps 'summoned' in certain areas like via a similar method the dragon Grim uses meaning the numbers never really go down. Though Patch may also be a recent settlement and one perhaps even "independent" of Vale and it may be a bigger task than anyone wants to bother with at the moment if the Grim aren't a huge problem but enough of an issue that they'd need a lot of hands to ensure the job was done.

    Edit: If ocean Grim exist they may also be the cause.
     
    Zam said:
    That seems quite probably, heck if people do evacuate at all that's likely their first stop so who knows we may see it next season.

    Good point if there was a spike outside of Vale there was presumably one in Patch as well.

    I've asked myself the same question and yeah I assume it might be that Grim can and do spawn and or are perhaps 'summoned' in certain areas like via a similar method the dragon Grim uses meaning the numbers never really go down. Though Patch may also be a recent settlement and one perhaps even "independent" of Vale and it may be a bigger task than anyone wants to bother with at the moment if the Grim aren't a huge problem but enough of an issue that they'd need a lot of hands to ensure the job was done.

    Edit: If ocean Grim exist they may also be the cause.
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    That might be an interesting premise for Volume 4. All the survivors have evacuated to Patch, and they're marshalling their strength with the outlying villages to retake the kingdom proper. Meanwhile the characters recover from the wounds, both mental and physical, that they received in Volume 3.

    Still, though, I've got the feeling that the plot is going to go more global next Volume.
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    That might be an interesting premise for Volume 4. All the survivors have evacuated to Patch, and they're marshalling their strength with the outlying villages to retake the kingdom proper. Meanwhile the characters recover from the wounds, both mental and physical, that they received in Volume 3.

    Still, though, I've got the feeling that the plot is going to go more global next Volume.
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    Pretty much yeah, hmm I wonder how the locals would treat Yang and Pyrrha... all things considered.

    That does seem fairly likely though yeah.
     
    TheBleachDoctor said:
    Maybe, like it was speculated earlier, the Dragons are the continents?
    Although that would be a bit of a doomsday occurrence.
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    Just a bit. If there are continent size Grimm then I call BS, because there is absolutely no way Humanity could have survived that in the first place.

    Meanwhile, still no real sign of any sort of military force belonging to the Kingdom of Vale beyond the Huntsmen, so I guess it was a good thing that Atlas brought that army. :V

    If reinforcements do show up as the cavalry, I don't expect they'll leap straight to opening fire, but if they do have mercury's videos then I expect Ironwood will be arrested and hauled away for trial back in Atlas, which will either end with him being removed from the military, or sent to some backwoods posting where he'll never be able to touch anything important ever again.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Meanwhile, still no real sign of any sort of military force belonging to the Kingdom of Vale beyond the Huntsmen, so I guess it was a good thing that Atlas brought that army. :V
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    Except for the part where their robots and mechs got taken over, supposedly impossible or not it happened, and started killing people.
     
    Zam said:
    Except for the part where their robots and mechs got taken over, supposedly impossible or not it happened, and started killing people.
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    And on the other hand, their robots didn't have very long to go at it. Which is more than I can say for any conventional defense forces that Vale might have, since they don't appear to have any besides the Academy that is currently under siege. :whistle:
     
    Okay, I'm trying to make sense of the map of Vale.



    Despite the large area it takes up, Beacon Academy actually looks to be very small. From the single faraway shot we see of it, it's at the very end of the river, which turns out the be fucking massive. I don't think Earth has rivers that wide.



    Scaling the rest of the map, I find it unlikely most of the actual city is in danger. Perhaps the perimeter districts, but the actual core of the city's fine.
     
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    skaianDestiny said:
    Okay, I'm trying to make sense of the map of Vale.



    Despite the large area it takes up, Beacon Academy actually looks to be very small. From the single faraway shot we see of it, it's at the very end of the river, which turns out the be fucking massive. I don't think Earth has rivers that wide.



    Scaling the rest of the map, I find it unlikely most of the actual city is in danger. Perhaps the perimeter districts, but the actual core of the city's fine.
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    While I can see your point the city looks pretty busted up from the clips we've seen so there may be more Grim there than we thought, along with robots and paladins when they were working.

    Looking at the size of Patch, I'm not sure it can fit many refugees if that becomes necessary.

    Azecreth said:
    And on the other hand, their robots didn't have very long to go at it. Which is more than I can say for any conventional defense forces that Vale might have, since they don't appear to have any besides the Academy that is currently under siege. :whistle:
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    Just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there, though its also possible Ironwood had them all stand down so his soldiers could do it which, well, as gutsy as those troopers were more people on the borders wouldn't have hurt. Plus given how spread out the Knights have been all season I imagine they only need to be evil for about five minutes to wrack up a sizeable civilian body count if there aren't any Hunters in the area to stop them.
     
    Zam said:
    While I can see your point the city looks pretty busted up from the clips we've seen so there may be more Grim there than we thought, along with robots and paladins when they were working.
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    But for all we know that's only the outer layer of buildings. Scaling up from the faraway shot Vale is more or less the size of a US state. The outskirts may be fucked but I really doubt the industrial district is damaged.
     
    skaianDestiny said:
    But for all we know that's only the outer layer of buildings. Scaling up from the faraway shot Vale is more or less the size of a US state. The outskirts may be fucked but I really doubt the industrial district is damaged.
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    Hard to say, the locations seem fairly residential in designs, and I can't see any mountains in the background though that could be my failings. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just that you might not be right. Sorry if that came across poorly.
     
    Zam said:
    Hard to say, the locations seem fairly residential in designs, and I can't see any mountains in the background though that could be my failings. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just that you might not be right. Sorry if that came across poorly.
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    Well considering the residential districts literally at the edge of Vale, I fail to see how it disproves my point.
     
    I just want to pop in for a second and do some non-constructive half-bitching about Adam. Not sure if it's been said yet, but I really want to gather your guys' thoughts on the matter.

    In the latest episode, he has some stellar dialogue (IMO) that might have led to him coming across as a complete and utter creep. I understand that right now, he just needs to be hateable instead of a fully fleshed-out character, and what we saw of him definitely accomplished that. Some may think the dialog was hammy ("My love!"), but looking at a transcription of it, I came to the completely unoriginal conclusion that it was voice-acting that ruined what they were trying to accomplish. The line "Why must you hurt me Blake?" is so brilliantly insane and misguided, it sounded wrong coming out of his mouth. Instead of being chilling and creepy, he just looked like a doof. It was like trying to listen to Daffy Duck quote Hamlet. If he sounded more like Hannibal Lector than Shadow the Edgehog, I'd be singing a much different tune. More lilting and psycho then try-hard purring.

    Did anyone else feel the same way? Was the dialog just bad in the first place? Has his VA-ing improved at all since the Black Trailer?

    Just my thoughts on the matter.
     
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    I think they were simply trying to get across how batshit insane he is and how he blames alot of his problems on Blake since she left him. So the hammy over the top acting works to an extent.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Browsing through Archive of Our Own, and one of the story tags was "fuck this new Adam Taurus".
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    Because previously he seemed so stable, what with Blake talking about his past violence, and him chuckling maniacally while being attacked by a giant robot, and responding to powerful crazy lady killing all his men by joining up with her for realz.

    Seriously, as I said before, while he does have depth he's never been a nice guy, and I've never understood how people could say they liked him before this - partly because they had nothing to base their opinion on but mostly because he sounded like a massive bellend. Quelle surprise, he's a massive bellend. Why is this a big deal?
     
    RedrumSprinkles said:
    People take their ships very seriously. Since, as you put it, he's been "revealed" as a massive bellend, people are going to take exceptions to things that threaten their unrealistic OTPs.
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    But he hasn't been revealed as such. My argument is that he always came across as a loon, so why are people surprised when he's, well, a bit of a loon?
     
    skaianDestiny said:
    Okay, I'm trying to make sense of the map of Vale.



    Despite the large area it takes up, Beacon Academy actually looks to be very small. From the single faraway shot we see of it, it's at the very end of the river, which turns out the be fucking massive. I don't think Earth has rivers that wide.



    Scaling the rest of the map, I find it unlikely most of the actual city is in danger. Perhaps the perimeter districts, but the actual core of the city's fine.
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    ^This. We haven't even seen most of Vale. The fact that Beacon (on the eastern edge) is in trouble due to Cinder and the White Fang specifically targeting it does not mean the entire Kingdom is about to fall.

    I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the Grimm we've seen are either ones that were transported (by the White Fang or the Grimm Dragon) or ones that can fly (the Nevermores, Gryphons, and the Dragon itself): they can most easily bypass the defenses.

    I'm also sure that the entire Kingdom of Vale can call upon more than a few Huntsmen, contrary to earlier posts that assumed a lack of numbers.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    But he hasn't been revealed as such. My argument is that he always came across as a loon, so why are people surprised when he's, well, a bit of a loon?
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    Oops! It appears I was a bit unclear. I was just saying that people want to ship him with whoever they want, and the creepier he gets, the harder that is to do. His previous dickishness could be misconstrued as recoverable angst or something, but the whole "Why do you hurt me," line is a LOT less ambiguous.
     
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    Basically, previously Adam was just dark enough to slap a pair of leather pants on. Now he's leaping off into full creeper territory.
     
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