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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • Richardson said:
    What, like getting Torchwick Omnom'onom'onomed, and throwing Neo to probable death?
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    Dude, spoilers! Not everybody is a subscriber or whatever. I put your quote in spoiler tags, but you should get on fixing that right away.

    Considering they just killed off the only villain(s?) that was actually entertaining? I'm not enthused. One of the reasons I was glad Torchwick was finally sprung was because as much of an evil dick as he is, at least he was actually interesting. Now he's killed off, and we've got more boring-ass Cinder, with her single. fucking. expression.

    Besides, Neo has a bulletproof parasol; it can probably support her weight.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Considering they just killed off the only villain(s?) that was actually entertaining? I'm not enthused. One of the reasons I was glad Torchwick was finally sprung was because as much of an evil dick as he is, at least he was actually interesting. Now he's killed off, and we've got more boring-ass Cinder, with her single. fucking. expression.

    Besides, Neo has a bulletproof parasol; it can probably support her weight.
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    Do you honestly think Torchwick's gone for good? Ironwood just survived getting shot out of the sky. Torchwick's got his weapon with him; he has more than decent odds of just tearing his way out of the Grimm. The big question is whether he gets a metal limb out of it or not.
     
    Like I said, the good guys need a win. While I would be much more excited to see part of the Team Evil trio get killed, I suppose I will make do with Torchwick.

    Also, is it just me, or is Yang turning into the Worf of RWBY? First it was Neo, then Neon (Yang was getting stomped until Katt tripped over a rock), Mercury (threw the fight and made a fool of Yang) and now Adam. Stomp the big, badass-looking character to show how much of a threat the antagonists are.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Also, is it just me, or is Yang turning into the Worf of RWBY? First it was Neo, then Neon (Yang was getting stomped until Katt tripped over a rock), Mercury (threw the fight and made a fool of Yang) and now Adam. Stomp the big, badass-looking character to show how much of a threat the antagonists are.
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    Ehh, swings and roundabouts. Neo made a fool of her, but her 'loss' against Neon was followed by her wiping out their whole team and Mercury looked like an honest fight until the end.
     
    mistakenot said:
    I think Yang shooting the Nevermore during Beacon initiation in Volume 1 is a closer match to the last scene.
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    That's fair, the poses seem similar regardless.
    Oh right, better throw this down now, on the 'Jaune may do something fans will hate him for' Assuming it was this episode:
    I am not at all bothered by what he did or didn't do, Jaune has no context for what's going on, who he's meant to be guarding against especially that it might be a person and his partner is screaming inside a metal box, being distracted is totally fair and he's a first year, even if he had held up his shield in front of Amber I don't know if it would have helped, Cinder's the big bad after all, I doubt Jaune, or Pyrrha or any other student could do much of anything.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Like I said, the good guys need a win. While I would be much more excited to see part of the Team Evil trio get killed, I suppose I will make do with Torchwick.

    Also, is it just me, or is Yang turning into the Worf of RWBY? First it was Neo, then Neon (Yang was getting stomped until Katt tripped over a rock), Mercury (threw the fight and made a fool of Yang) and now Adam. Stomp the big, badass-looking character to show how much of a threat the antagonists are.
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    I think they're taking a sensible look at what will eventually happen to someone who fights all out using rage eventually. It's not helpful, not against controlled badasses like Neo and Adam, or people who use that rage against you like Mercury and Neon. I think a lot of the point of this arc has been to show Yang that getting angry doesn't always help - previously she's won every fight by getting really angry, but here charging in recklessly made her lose her arm. Hoping we see cold, furious rage Yang in Volume 4.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    I think they're taking a sensible look at what will eventually happen to someone who fights all out using rage eventually. It's not helpful, not against controlled badasses like Neo and Adam, or people who use that rage against you like Mercury and Neon. I think a lot of the point of this arc has been to show Yang that getting angry doesn't always help - previously she's won every fight by getting really angry, but here charging in recklessly made her lose her arm. Hoping we see cold, furious rage Yang in Volume 4.
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    I would agree with you, if Yang hadn't already been beaten over the head by it over and over. Like you said, first Neo, then Neon, then Mercury. Why add Adam to the list? I mean, if anyone should be learning a lesson, it should be Ruby, who keeps insisting on going off to do things all on her own. I thought that the third time (this time) would be the charm, and that she would fail because she tried to do everything herself. Instead, she takes out a giant Grimm that Coco couldn't, removed Neo from the fight, stopped the robots and held on long enough for the same Grimm to eat Roman. She's rewarded for going off on her own.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    I would agree with you, if Yang hadn't already been beaten over the head by it over and over. Like you said, first Neo, then Neon, then Mercury. Why add Adam to the list? I mean, if anyone should be learning a lesson, it should be Ruby, who keeps insisting on going off to do things all on her own. I thought that the third time (this time) would be the charm, and that she would fail because she tried to do everything herself. Instead, she takes out a giant Grimm that Coco couldn't, removed Neo from the fight, stopped the robots and held on long enough for the same Grimm to eat Roman. She's rewarded for going off on her own.
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    But she the leader and she wasn't there when it was time to look after her sister -her team-. That's going to sting a lot.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    I would agree with you, if Yang hadn't already been beaten over the head by it over and over. Like you said, first Neo, then Neon, then Mercury. Why add Adam to the list? I mean, if anyone should be learning a lesson, it should be Ruby, who keeps insisting on going off to do things all on her own. I thought that the third time (this time) would be the charm, and that she would fail because she tried to do everything herself. Instead, she takes out a giant Grimm that Coco couldn't, removed Neo from the fight, stopped the robots and held on long enough for the same Grimm to eat Roman. She's rewarded for going off on her own.
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    But she didn't learn from Neo - see the fight with Neon. She didn't learn from that - see the fight with Mercury. Maybe this'll be enough to help her learn?

    On Ruby - I kinda agree, she should have had more of a lone wolf penalty. But let's consider the other two lone wolf times:

    1) Fails to do anything to Cinder in the CCT. Doesn't even slow her down, and as Ozpin and Ironwood already knew Cinder was about doesn't even give them any useful information.

    2) Runs off and gets captured, which does allow the team to find the train...which they categorically fail to stop, and arguably Torchwick's capture makes things way, way worse come the Battle of Beacon, what with him taking out the other two dreadnoughts and turning the robits.

    Honestly, this is the only time her lone wolfing has really gone well. [/SPOILER}
     
    Honestly I feel criticizing Yang for anger is unfair, I'm not a fighting expert but does her skill level really drop substantially or noticeably when she's angry? I mean she looked furious when fighting Junior but still had the where with all to seemingly move like a pro, same for her attack at Mercury. As it stands it feels less like Yang's being "punished" for fighting angry and more like she's just having the misfortune of going up against opponents above her weight class, losing to them is hardly her fault.

    Also, interesting thing, Velvet's box and Adam's sword both seem to be tools that work in-tandem with their users Semblance, this could just be an extension of the Aura flowing though it but I still find it kind of interesting.
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly I feel criticizing Yang for anger is unfair, I'm not a fighting expert but does her skill level really drop substantially or noticeably when she's angry? I mean she looked furious when fighting Junior but still had the where with all to seemingly move like a pro, same for her attack at Mercury. As it stands it feels less like Yang's being "punished" for fighting angry and more like she's just having the misfortune of going up against opponents above her weight class, losing to them is hardly her fault.
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    Not going to put anything spoiler worthy in this post.

    But on the topic of Yang and her anger issues. I don't personally think her semblance is a weakness in that regard. Or at least it's not the Semblance that's the weakness.

    When she hulks out Yang hardly seems to be going Berserk in the stereotypical sense. She isn't sloppy or uncoordinated. Rather, she become utterly committed to destroying whatever has pissed her off but doesn't seem to lose herself or her sense of judgment. Else she'd never have been regarded as safe to join the tournament.

    Rather her semblance just strengthens Yang's ability to brawl it out and, combined with her personality, may have conditioned her to take an opponent head on.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    But she didn't learn from Neo - see the fight with Neon. She didn't learn from that - see the fight with Mercury. Maybe this'll be enough to help her learn?

    On Ruby - I kinda agree, she should have had more of a lone wolf penalty. But let's consider the other two lone wolf times:

    1) Fails to do anything to Cinder in the CCT. Doesn't even slow her down, and as Ozpin and Ironwood already knew Cinder was about doesn't even give them any useful information.

    2) Runs off and gets captured, which does allow the team to find the train...which they categorically fail to stop, and arguably Torchwick's capture makes things way, way worse come the Battle of Beacon, what with him taking out the other two dreadnoughts and turning the robits.

    Honestly, this is the only time her lone wolfing has really gone well. [/SPOILER}
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    Like the posts above mine, it is rare that Yang's fury actually hindered her. Meanwhile, Ruby gets off scot-free for running off on her own.
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly I feel criticizing Yang for anger is unfair, I'm not a fighting expert but does her skill level really drop substantially or noticeably when she's angry? I mean she looked furious when fighting Junior but still had the where with all to seemingly move like a pro, same for her attack at Mercury. As it stands it feels less like Yang's being "punished" for fighting angry and more like she's just having the misfortune of going up against opponents above her weight class, losing to them is hardly her fault.

    Also, interesting thing, Velvet's box and Adam's sword both seem to be tools that work in-tandem with their users Semblance, this could just be an extension of the Aura flowing though it but I still find it kind of interesting.
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    We have no indication that Velvet was using her Semblance, people just think she has to be doing it because the Box is OP. However everything she did seems to come from her camera and the box and she was apparently described as a Dust Mage by Monty. I think the copycat trick is purely based on Dust with the catch being that the box is to awesome to use since she can only use each photo once and they use up tons of very expensive Dust. Its the old "steal your soul with a picture" myth that's behind her copying fighting styles probably, after all the weapons are "part of us" as Ruby would say.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Not going to put anything spoiler worthy in this post.

    But on the topic of Yang and her anger issues. I don't personally think her semblance is a weakness in that regard. Or at least it's not the Semblance that's the weakness.

    When she hulks out Yang hardly seems to be going Berserk in the stereotypical sense. She isn't sloppy or uncoordinated. Rather, she become utterly committed to destroying whatever has pissed her off but doesn't seem to lose herself or her sense of judgment. Else she'd never have been regarded as safe to join the tournament.

    Rather her semblance just strengthens Yang's ability to brawl it out and, combined with her personality, may have conditioned her to take an opponent head on.
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    That's pretty much my view as well, Yang doesn't become 'worse' when she gets angry or taps into her Semblance just more dedicated, she's just unfortunate that sometimes there are enemies more skilled and powerful than she can handle.
    thesevenwielder said:
    Like the posts above mine, it is rare that Yang's fury actually hindered her. Meanwhile, Ruby gets off scot-free for running off on her own.
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    She did get captured and smacked around by Roman one time, plus barring the dance I tend to feel Ruby's 'lone wolf' stuff makes contextual sense as she needs to make snap decisions or lose the opportunity to act.

    Mook said:
    We have no indication that Velvet was using her Semblance, people just think she has to be doing it because the Box is OP. However everything she did seems to come from her camera and the box and she was apparently described as a Dust Mage by Monty. I think the copycat trick is purely based on Dust with the catch being that the box is to awesome to use since she can only use each photo once and they use up tons of very expensive Dust. Its the old "steal your soul with a picture" myth that's behind her copying fighting styles probably, after all the weapons are "part of us" as Ruby would say.
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    I had considered that, however that, to me, implies there might be several people who have exactly the same ability as Velvet or something similar, I wouldn't be against this but such technology would be, well actually really cool if it were something one just need a good degree of training to operate but I feel like we'd have seen them before now if that were the case. Then again this might be even more super specialised than Crescent Rose in terms of hard to make and hard to master and the currently existing holograms and forcefields to imply the existence of energy weapons and hard light, though at the same time Velvet's the first person we've seen do anything this unique. Still I see your points
     
    I'm willing to accept the Ruby's lone wolfing working for the same reason I'm willing to accept her using a sniper rifle scythe. It's cool and this setting is hardly the most realistic one.
     
    Ruby's 'lone wolf' actions are, up until the latest one, usually done on spur-of-the-moment snap decisions that have to be made immediately or else the window of opportunity passes without anything happening. And IIRC the Mountain Glen one can't even be blamed on her because the floor literally collapsed under her because plot combined with shitty scroll reception. CCT tower had her just run into Cinder right as she was leaving after implanting her virus, and the current situation is so FUBAR'd that everyone's just trying to do something to help; teamwork and conduct and planning be damned.

    While it would be nice to see Ruby take a more leader-like approach, the fact of the matter is that she hasn't really been given an opportunity to take said approach. And whether or not this is bad in and of itself is up to debate, depending on how willing you are to change the story to accommodate the changes required to provide said opportunities.
     
    Zam said:
    I had considered that, however that, to me, implies there might be several people who have exactly the same ability as Velvet or something similar, I wouldn't be against this but such technology would be, well actually really cool if it were something one just need a good degree of training to operate but I feel like we'd have seen them before now if that were the case. Then again this might be even more super specialised than Crescent Rose in terms of hard to make and hard to master and the currently existing holograms and forcefields to imply the existence of energy weapons and hard light, though at the same time Velvet's the first person we've seen do anything this unique. Still I see your points
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    Has a unique weapon though so why should we have seen this before? Its awesome but it also has some pretty hefty restrictions that would make it unappealing to a lot of people, not to mention that for the individualistic huntsmen a lot of the would probably prefer having their own unique styles rather than copying other people. And like you speculated its likely hard to master and like I speculated probably expensive so not a lot of people can even afford to do this.
     
    Mook said:
    Has a unique weapon though so why should we have seen this before? Its awesome but it also has some pretty hefty restrictions that would make it unappealing to a lot of people, not to mention that for the individualistic huntsmen a lot of the would probably prefer having their own unique styles rather than copying other people. And like you speculated its likely hard to master and like I speculated probably expensive so not a lot of people can even afford to do this.
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    Apologies, I more meant the technology seemed fairly unique compared to a lot of what else has been seen.
     
    So, I predict that we go to Atlas next volume, and finally get some insight into that Kingdom and how it actually operates. Why? Ironwood is going back there anyway because, y'know, General. Yang goes because Atlas is the only Kingdom with the tech to give her a new robofist. Ruby goes with because Yang is her sister. Blake goes with because she's guilt tripping over what happened to Yang. Weiss goes with because she has to settle things with her father. Meanwhile JNPR goes because Pyrrha has to meet the Maiden in that Kingdom, Jaune goes with to protect her, and Ren and Nora tag along because why not.

    Meanwhile, Cinder and co leave Vale behind because their work is done there, and move on to bringing down the technological superpower of Remnant, and the only real foe that they have left outside of the LibertarianUSAExpy!Vacuo.
     
    Zam said:
    Apologies, I more meant the technology seemed fairly unique compared to a lot of what else has been seen.
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    Actually Hard Light technology seems to be extremely common technology. Everything from their streetlamps to their televisions are made with it. Their safety barriers on Amity Stadium are also most likely an application of that as are their holographic receptionists. They also have technology that can capture and transfer Aura, so Velvet's camera might be a much more primitive version of that (though still cutting edge) which she invented herself. I'd rather think that she's a bit of a genius with Dust than that she's just using her Semblance. It would be kind of lame if she needs loads of Dust just to use her Semblance effectively and this way there's still interesting stuff she can pull out in later fights. Plus it makes Dust seem more awesome.
     
    blast flame said:
    I'm willing to accept the Ruby's lone wolfing working for the same reason I'm willing to accept her using a sniper rifle scythe. It's cool and this setting is hardly the most realistic one.
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    Makes me wonder, since Lindsay isn't a lone wolf in any sense during the GTA let's plays. Though, she doesn't have that much creative control in RWBY...
     
    Mook said:
    Actually Hard Light technology seems to be extremely common technology. Everything from their streetlamps to their televisions are made with it. Their safety barriers on Amity Stadium are also most likely an application of that as are their holographic receptionists. They also have technology that can capture and transfer Aura, so Velvet's camera might be a much more primitive version of that (though still cutting edge) which she invented herself. I'd rather think that she's a bit of a genius with Dust than that she's just using her Semblance. It would be kind of lame if she needs loads of Dust just to use her Semblance effectively and this way there's still interesting stuff she can pull out in later fights. Plus it makes Dust seem more awesome.
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    Fair enough, I had considered the barriers and hard light and Velvet's weapon could, as you said just be a really master-crafted thing using such technology.I guess that means her camera scans somehting down to its internal designs, or she has some other ability that lets her mimic their fighting style, I mean I don't think she saw Penny using her super cannon so its not just mimicking that's for sure.
     
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