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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • StellarSeeker said:
    Hey so the next episode just got leaked on 4Chan somehow.


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    Not really, just two really tiny pictures. The most I can find beyond that seems to be just someone predicting how the finale will go without any real basis or proof beyond utilizing those two small pictures.

    Pugman said:
    probably some impatient fuckwit.
    or a hater trying to wreck shit.
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    You know, not everything has to be a "RWDE plot". Just saying.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Not really, just two really tiny pictures. The most I can find beyond that seems to be just someone predicting how the finale will go without any real basis or proof beyond utilizing those two small pictures.
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    That checks out with what I found when I tried digging:
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    Further details say that it's not the entire thing, just the end-of-credits concept art and a snippet of the episode proper.
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    So I was thinking. I think part of the general point is that none of the people from Remnant, save Blake, really got that the Tree isn't evil, it's just alien to them. Like the fact Ruby drank the tea is horrifying but the results aren't because The blacksmith (Who might be Alyx) seems legit helpful and kind to Ruby. What Neo saw as death, what Jaune, Ruby and most of the Audience saw as death really wasn't. Hell the memory thing might be entire optional cause CC phrased retaining memories as pointless, but that could mean Ever Afterians voluntarily give up their memories so they can begin again. Nothing says Ruby has to, hell the implication is Ruby is so close to the door because she still wants to help Remnant.

    The problem is this episode had to balance very senstive topics with legit alien ones and it's easy to understand why it comes across as pro-suicide but it's not it's just very alien therapy.


    Edit: It seems Rivas is saying the next episode is roughly twenty minutes long plus long credits. So like, a good eight minutes longer than today's episode.

    double edit: Tweet in question
     
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    Psyga315 said:
    You know, not everything has to be a "RWDE plot". Just saying.
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    And did I say "RWDE" or did I just say "hater"?

    Teen Spirit said:
    So I was thinking. I think part of the general point is that none of the people from Remnant, save Blake, really got that the Tree isn't evil, it's just alien to them. Like the fact Ruby drank the tea is horrifying but the results aren't because The blacksmith (Who might be Alyx) seems legit helpful and kind to Ruby. What Neo saw as death, what Jaune, Ruby and most of the Audience saw as death really wasn't. Hell the memory thing might be entire optional cause CC phrased retaining memories as pointless, but that could mean Ever Afterians voluntarily give up their memories so they can begin again. Nothing says Ruby has to, hell the implication is Ruby is so close to the door because she still wants to help Remnant.

    The problem is this episode had to balance very senstive topics with legit alien ones and it's easy to understand why it comes across as pro-suicide but it's not it's just very alien therapy.
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    Not helped by the fact that most of the world does not believe in stuff like Reincarnation as a thing and just see Death and see Death as The End and the fears that go with it.
     
    Pugman said:
    Not helped by the fact that most of the world does not believe in stuff like Reincarnation as a thing and just see Death and see Death as The End and the fears that go with it.
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    I think the point of the tree is basically "Transformation is not death". Which fits well if the Tree basically turns out to be estoric therapy for Ruby. Therapy can be transformative, Ruby will probably come out different. And that's fine.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    I think the point of the tree is basically "Transformation is not death". Which fits well if the Tree basically turns out to be estoric therapy for Ruby. Therapy can be transformative, Ruby will probably come out different. And that's fine.
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    That seriously depends on what "come out different" means, though. If we're talking a new perspective on life, fine. If we're talking about destruction of the self in order to build something else, that starts to sound just a little too much like "kill yourself and reincarnate!" Which would be a shit message. I dunno. I personally don't think they are going to seriously alter Ruby. I think in the end, the weapon she chooses will be Crescent Rose. But we'll see.
     
    Erinyes said:
    That seriously depends on what "come out different" means, though. If we're talking a new perspective on life, fine. If we're talking about destruction of the self in order to build something else, that starts to sound just a little too much like "kill yourself and reincarnate!" Which would be a shit message. I dunno. I personally don't think they are going to seriously alter Ruby. I think in the end, the weapon she chooses will be Crescent Rose. But we'll see.
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    Yeah definitely. But like I said I think the blacksmith is Alyx and I think the loss of memories is entirely the choice of the Ever Afterians. The implication of the Blacksmith's words was every about the process was the person's choice.
     
    I can't say I'm entirely comfortable with the (no doubt unintentional) implications of some of the messaging in this episode.

    Still hopefully next episode will wrap things up for better or worse.

    And hopefully everyone in the main cast (or at minimum RWBYJ) will have at last gotten all of the plot-diverting trauma out of their systems for the rest of the shows run time.
     
    I should note I do feel what they're trying for here is extremely easy to get wrong and if it wasn't for the fact it was Ruby I'd be a bit worried. But uh, there's a fundmental truth. RWBY is basically Rooster Teeth's main franchise at this point and Ruby is the main character. She's not going to stop being Ruby, new look maybe, changed outlook, very possible. But they won't make her into someone entirely new, that's not how shows work. Anyone else outside of the main four I would be worried they legit slipped into accidentally pro-suicide nonsense.
     
    Completely unrelated to the clusterfuck going on in the latest episode (I am still screaming inside), I decided to pester our benevolent AI overlord/much-put-upon intern a bit ago. Here's the result.



     
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    So, Ever After really is Undertale, with Alyx being Frisk and the Cat being Chara and once Alyx decided to back out, the Cat was like "since when were you the one in control"
     
    I must say I don't know what to make of the leaks. They're just distant and blurry images of what might be concept art that don't reveal much. So I'm torn between two questions. "Why would someone leak this?" and "Why would someone fake this?"
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    I must say I don't know what to make of the leaks. They're just distant and blurry images of what might be concept art that don't reveal much. So I'm torn between two questions. "Why would someone leak this?" and "Why would someone fake this?"
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    attention and pot stirring.
    i.e. "look at me leaking the ending even if its not the full ending, teehee." and "lets kick the hornets nest as they are already agitated from last weeks issue with a streamer who is making shit claims based on one clip with zero context."

    and it's made even easier with how short today's episode was and left fans craving more.
     
    Lazurman said:
    Completely unrelated to the clusterfuck going on in the latest episode (I am still screaming inside), I decided to pester our benevolent AI overlord/much-put-upon intern a bit ago. Here's the result.
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    I hate every single computer compositing, thieving pile of garbage pseudo false "AI" and refuse to so much as look at what they vomit out from the stolen labor of others.

    Sorry if this was rude, but literally every single "AI" (they aren't AI) is literally fueled by stealing millions of pieces of other people's work and then profiting of it and it legitimately sickens me on a visceral and moral level.
     
    Zam said:
    I hate every single computer compositing, thieving pile of garbage pseudo false "AI" and refuse to so much as look at what they vomit out from the stolen labor of others.

    Sorry if this was rude, but literally every single "AI" (they aren't AI) is literally fueled by stealing millions of pieces of other people's work and then profiting of it and it legitimately sickens me on a visceral and moral level.
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    That doesn't mean they're always wrong, just a really bad source. But something designed to notice patterns in what people feed it noticing that Ironwood's plan was full of holes from the start does show that it's not a narrative people should have been surprised about, and people's complaints about it are usually really stupid.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    I do feel like some people don't quite get how the show made a fairly strong effort to make clear that the tree is not death. The paper pleasers weren't suicidal they just wanted to be done with this phase of their life.
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    Two reasons.
    1. The Curious Cat's description of Ascension mentioned loss of memory. And many people consider that equivalent to death.
      1. Yes, CC only said "Why would you keep your memories?", but the Genial Gems clearly don't remember Jaune. In contrast, there is no evidence of anyone keeping their memories.
      2. CC hasn't lied about the Tree and Ascension. Only about his own goals, motivations, and history.
    2. Ruby and Neo were certainly treating Ascension as equivalent to Death.
      1. Ruby drinking the Tea was clearly coded as a suicide attempt.
      2. And Neo explicitly chose to drive Ruby to Drink the Tea as opposed to just stabbing her to death because Neo saw Ascension as a fate worse than Death.
     
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    Enough Candle

    View: https://twitter.com/a_mellowtea/status/1647281590559731712


    Something hit me today
    Years ago when we were getting those animated shorts to promote the Fairy Tales of Remnant book, I am pretty sure there were some people upset that it was Tai, and not Yang or Summer, reading the story to the kids (because how dare we have any positive moments of Tai being a dad). So my little "revelation" if you can call it that, is that what if that reading Tai did wasn't after Summer's Final Mission, but was instead before her "death"? Like, what if Tai and Summer took turns doing missions, and the scene we saw in the short was during a time where it was his turn to stay behind so he read to the kids while he waited for her to come home?



    EDIT: random side note
    I am still amused that they just used the Past Version Models for the "Kid" Yang and Ruby. Like, it's their teenage heads sticking out of the blanket with the model of baby limbs also sticking out to give the "illusion" of Summer reading to little kids.
     
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    buli-buli said:
    Two reasons.
    1. The Curious Cat's description of Ascension mentioned loss of memory. And many people consider that equivalent to death.
      1. Yes, CC only said "Why would you keep your memories?", but the Genial Gems clearly don't remember Jaune.
      2. CC hasn't lied about the Tree and Ascension. Only about his own goals, motivations, and history.
    2. Ruby and Neo were certainly treating Ascension as equivalent to Death.
      1. Ruby drinking the Tea was clearly coded as a suicide attempt.
      2. And Neo explicitly chose to drive Ruby to Drink the Tea as opposed to just stabbing her to death because Neo saw Ascension as a fate worse than Death.
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    Curious Cat was manipulating them and basically had been from the start. The gems could have easily chosen to forget because Ever Afterians don't see the value in keeping the memories cause how they function is a lot different then how Remnant functions. And the Blacksmith made it clear nothing happened there that Ruby didn't want to happen, the tree or the Blacksmith doesn't force anything.

    One of the big points is that the people of Remnant do not understand how Ever After Works, it's an alien world to them. There's a reason Jaune's actions are framed not as keeping them alive but accidental torture. And yes Ruby's actions were functionally a suicide attempt but the actual result was not death. If you jump off a building not understanding there's something safe for you to land on, that's a suicide attempt but what happens after isn't death. Her drinking the tea was an attempt, the Blacksmith was the soft landing.

    The real issue is Blake's words to Yang kind of needed to come sooner but that might have been awkward.
     
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