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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Teen Spirit said:
    Like RWBY has shown it's not against rebelling against Authority since you know, Robyn.
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    And Robyn showed how detrimental her rebellion became overall when her theft of the materials slowed the CCT production enough that they couldn't safely launch Amity, something that had a huge consequence during Gravity and eventually the events of Volume 8.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Unions being evil is Old Bullshit when it comes to media. It's a familiar pain, but at least fanboys shouldn't latch onto the lead asshole this time and throw abuse at his victims voice actresses.
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    You and I both know this is red scare bullshit or at least caused by it.

    Cuz when you get rid of the radicals out of the labor you only get an easy corruptible. No shit. The mob influence the union movements in the '50s. The CIA and other interests needed the radicals out and the Red scare was a facilitator in that
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Unions being evil is Old Bullshit when it comes to media. It's a familiar pain, but at least fanboys shouldn't latch onto the lead asshole this time and throw abuse at his victims voice actresses.
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    Admittedly yeah, "Unions are corrupt and controlled by the mob" is an old trope and while RWBY is generally written as a fairly progressive work, people aren't immune to Propaganda. And like this wasn't saying Unions are evil.


    ehh, Not gonna lie, I don't really care for the argument that's brewing. I liked this thing, I don't care for the Union stuff I admit but it doesn't read anti-union. Overall really like the game, particularly the worldbuilding stuff.

    a lot I could use here for my fanfic.
     
    Teen Spirit said:
    Admittedly yeah, "Unions are corrupt and controlled by the mob" is an old trope and while RWBY is generally written as a fairly progressive work, people aren't immune to Propaganda. And like this wasn't saying Unions are evil.


    ehh, Not gonna lie, I don't really care for the argument that's brewing. I liked this thing, I don't care for the Union stuff I admit but it doesn't read anti-union. Overall really like the game, particularly the worldbuilding stuff.

    a lot I could use here for my fanfic.
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    Honestly I already had a fanfic going on for like years with Unions and Ruby.
     
    Here is a set of links. Some for laughs, some Arrowfell related (including a link to one of the new songs).

    fan club

    they were happy

    stinger kick

    Penny line

    Reborn [Short Version]

    the voices of 3 of the new characters

    THAT POPCORN KID!! XD

    Salem Fast

    Yang pun


    I am here for the music and characters.
    Also, why is anyone asking if this game is canon? It was stated it was canon when it was first announced ages ago and said to be during the Montage back in volume 7.
    As for me I am not far in the game at all, but I do find it amusing that 6 new game plot relevant characters I have seen so far all have spikes on their attire. I see that has a nice design through-line.
     
    I'm just picturing butt monkey status as this kind of oncoming law of the universe everyone is vaguely aware of, hence Jaune being so obviously that and no one even questioning it, with Ruby being cast down as its next victim cos she's the youngest, with Blake & Yang aligning to ensure Weiss is hit with the energy before them.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Kdin and several other people have stated they've not been credited for their work on Arrowfell. Stay classy RT.
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    Building onto this, while Kdin has reportedly said this before multiple times, she announced this on her Tumblr that she won't be voicing May, citing this incident as one of the final straws.


    View: https://kdinjenzen.tumblr.com/post/701090825771302912

    Kdin Jenzen said:
    Animation, video games, etc take years to make. So there are things I worked on while I was still at Rooster Teeth that have NOT been released yet. That's just kinda how things work.

    Video games and animation take years to make, before you even see an announcement for something a project is likely half finished or more.

    Such as: Voicing in BENEATH (came out post me leaving), Script Supervisor/Casting for RWBY: Arrowfell (came out yesterday), Script Supervisor for multiple Death Battle episodes, and Script Supervisor for RWBY 9 and the RWBY/JL stuff.

    My work was done in 2020/2021 for RWBY Arrowfell, Beneath, V9, RWBY/JL, and DB. So if you see me credited for something, it was AGES ago that I worked on it.

    Also, like I said, they didn't credit me for my work so I'm kind of pissed off about it, AND it doesn't even look like they credited the RT Anim 3D Team for any of the work they did on the cutscenes for Arrowfell at all.

    Which, AGAIN, is par for the course because they STOPPED CREDITING THE PEOPLE WHO WORK ON RED VS BLUE as of the most recent seasons. Zero and FS were actually the ONLY two seasons to credit folks EVERY EPISODE for that series. Before that RvB didn't credit properly and now it doesn't credit AT ALL.

    Additionally, I have stated many times that I openly refuse to reprise any roles for any RT series. And yes that includes RWBY and includes me saying "I will never voice May Marigold again".

    I have also mentioned this on my Twitch streams, multiple times, because folks don't understand that production takes a very very very long time.

    I will never, EVER, work on a Rooster Teeth project again. I will never work with any of the management, upper management, or higher ups at that company ever again.

    To the folks who are still stuck there, doing the actual real work, being paid next to nothing, not being given proper benefits, and being forced to work long hours without any overtime pay, I say this:

    I hope you find a new job soon, get out of there soon friends.

    To those who were fans, like I was, who really dreamed of working at RT:

    It was a nightmare beyond what you see being shared on social media. I mentioned that it was only "SOME" of what I went through, and the stories from others are just what they were comfortable sharing… there's things we, as people who worked there, just don't want to talk about because of how traumatic it was.
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    Teen Spirit said:
    Okay, And your point is? Do people not realize that late Volume 7-8 Ironwood was not how the man was the entire time? Like he could put on a face of giving a shit. Are you legit trying to argue he's not as villainous as the thread constantly argues he is because he's capable of the most basic of optics. Like this was a thing with Ironwood in the show, he made an effort to pretend he cared about the people and was somewhat empathetic to other's concerns, he's whole thing of "Oh I know people are hurting but it will all be worth it and I'll shoulder this anger". Like he seemed willing to cooperate with Robyn after all, but he still turned on Robyn in an instant.

    I'm sorry but this is like "That dictator can't be evil, look at him, he petted a dog.".
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    If you seriously look at Ironwood's actions in the first half of the show and dismiss things like giving Yang an arm with no expectation of payment let alone even a thanks (and notably, before Taiyang had even reached out to Ironwood), or letting all the Beacon students know that no one would judge them for evacuating themselves during the Fall, and go "Yeah he just pretended to care about people," then I think you need to rewatch the show.

    Like seriously, if you try and just make Ironwood always this super dickhead, you strip out any nuance or character that he had pre-Volume 7 by just sweeping with a wide brush of "Oh he was always a monster." That's boring, and also against what the writers have said was their goal for Ironwood of being a genuinely good person. He's osentsibly meant to be the Tin Man losing his heart- a character that fundamentally doesn't work if you dismiss his earlier actions as "putting on a face of giving a shit," and "being capable of the most basic of optics."
     
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    ArtFartCop said:
    If you seriously look at Ironwood's actions in the first half of the show and dismiss things like giving Yang an arm with no expectation of payment let alone even a thanks (and notably, before Taiyang had even reached out to Ironwood), or letting all the Beacon students know that no one would judge them for evacuating themselves during the Fall, and go "Yeah he just pretended to care about people," then I think you need to rewatch the show.

    Like seriously, if you try and just make Ironwood always this super dickhead, you strip out any nuance or character that he had pre-Volume 7 by just sweeping with a wide brush of "Oh he was always a monster." That's boring, and also against what the writers have said was their goal for Ironwood of being a genuinely good person. He's osentsibly meant to be the Tin Man losing his heart- a character that fundamentally doesn't work if you dismiss his earlier actions as "putting on a face of giving a shit," and "being capable of the most basic of optics."
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    Still an authoritarian tyrant.

    Who the fuck brings mechanical warriors (less effective than even soldiers But more flashy and expensive) to a cross school intercontinental Athletics competition.


    America would have just bring her entire Armada just to defend a soccer game.
     
    Jaytjones said:
    Who the fuck brings mechanical warriors (less effective than even soldiers But more flashy and expensive) to a cross school intercontinental Athletics competition.
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    Someone who is also part of a super secret illuminati devoted to keeping the peace that recently had one of their people-shaped keys badly injured with their assailant still out there and a vaguely worded message from one of their members saying that "the queen has pawns".

    Its not even "just" a soccer game, it's also a peace festival with a tournament arc serving as the main event.

    So, those chain of events happening is more the analogy of the USA finding that the mysterious enemy they've opposed for so long just acquired weapons of mass destruction and have recruited pawns, and this is just happening to occur right around where a big world peace event is said to occur at the one place where all eyes will be focused on.

    Especially when Ironwood was focused on taking people off of the field (I.e. no more Gretchens), hence why he was promoting the robots in one episode.

    Like, imagine if Ironwood decided to not bring his army to Vale and everything still happened as is... Well, Vale would have probably been fucked from the Breach because of the lack of Ironwood's forces or at the very least be more devastated enough for drastic measures to be taken.
     
    ArtFartCop said:
    If you seriously look at Ironwood's actions in the first half of the show and dismiss things like giving Yang an arm with no expectation of payment let alone even a thanks (and notably, before Taiyang had even reached out to Ironwood), or letting all the Beacon students know that no one would judge them for evacuating themselves during the Fall, and go "Yeah he just pretended to care about people," then I think you need to rewatch the show.

    Like seriously, if you try and just make Ironwood always this super dickhead, you strip out any nuance or character that he had pre-Volume 7 by just sweeping with a wide brush of "Oh he was always a monster." That's boring, and also against what the writers have said was their goal for Ironwood of being a genuinely good person. He's osentsibly meant to be the Tin Man losing his heart- a character that fundamentally doesn't work if you dismiss his earlier actions as "putting on a face of giving a shit," and "being capable of the most basic of optics."
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    Okay, you have a valid point there. I'm just so sick and tired of people looking for any little thing to just excuse or justify Ironwood's more monstrous actions. He is ultimately a jackbooted thug who privately thinks people are selfish assholes for not being grateful about his thuggish behavior, but even a jackbooted thug is capable of decency and moral complexity.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Someone who is also part of a super secret illuminati devoted to keeping the peace that recently had one of their people-shaped keys badly injured with their assailant still out there and a vaguely worded message from one of their members saying that "the queen has pawns".

    Its not even "just" a soccer game, it's also a peace festival with a tournament arc serving as the main event.
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    The Olympics is just as analogous, And you know what? Even they don't allow foreign military on the hosting nation soil for such events.

    Sure. The Nazis could hold a military parade or whatever for the 34 Olympics but they couldn't not do that on any other soil because this was Germany hosting the games.

    Have they done it into a different nation that would have been in violation of sovereignty and could be seen as an act of war

    Psyga315 said:
    So, those chain of events happening is more the analogy of the USA finding that the mysterious enemy they've opposed for so long just acquired weapons of mass destruction and have recruited pawns, and this is just happening to occur right around where a big world peace event is said to occur at the one place where all eyes will be focused on.
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    They still didn't fucking know that at the time and is no excuse.


    Psyga315 said:
    Especially when Ironwood was focused on taking people off of the field (I.e. no more Gretchens), hence why he was promoting the robots in one episode.
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    Again he said that himself, They are less effective, more flashy and expensive toys.
    And he's still violating vales sovereignty as a nation.

    Psyga315 said:
    Like, imagine if Ironwood decided to not bring his army to Vale and everything still happened as is...
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    Your Realize that's the fucking point, Salem's plan was to Ponce on that show a fear. And literally turn those robots against the people You don't remember that?

    Psyga315 said:
    Well, Vale would have probably been fucked from the Breach because of the lack of Ironwood's forces or at the very least be more devastated enough for drastic measures to be taken.
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    That's no fucking excuse in diplomatic relationships. He is a visiting political member of A neighboring country. He has no right nor privilege on Vale soil.
     
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    Zam said:
    While I agree with your points the mods tend to be on a hair trigger, so you might want to phrase this stuff more politely, or better yet stop spending time on a discussion that's been re-hashed a million times to no practical purpose.
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    Oh come on That was just a typo, Not like I called them a name (that I missed the first time posting it and I fixed)

    But I'm serious. I never already cared for ironwood and I just think he's a thug that along with fucking Adam gets too much defending.
    He's a tyrant who shot political opponents. And try to leave mantle to die.
     
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