RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Cinder's speech really doesn't rely on people believing her.

Point in fact, it's hard to tell if anyone believes her because at the moment, people are focusing on the more pressing matter of the Grimm telling them to bite the pillow, because they're going in dry.

As for turning off Aura.....she didn't.

We know Aura can be overwhelmed and broken through. Hell, it happened only a couple episodes ago with Weiss.

Penny's wires are some super strong material that, despite being so thin that you can't see them without perfect positioning, they can do things like hold down an air ship or lift up giant fucking boulders.

It's not surprising that they cut her up like that.

Penny barely took a hit all fight, then the wires instantly shred her.

I don't know if it's just the short episodes making it hard for them to set things up, but this whole episode just felt rushed to me. Like it was meant to come after a lot more build up.
 
Didn't she upload her virus from an admin terminal? not much security can stop that. and to gain access to new systems as the virus is in control of the ISP all it needs to do is monitor the communications until it picks up passwords.

Yeah. But you have to remember, Ironwood was aware that someone broke into the CCTS. When it became obvious that nothing was stolen, that would naturally lead to the conclusion that something was put in. It wasn't as if this was slipped in with a service update or something.

A system this centralized can't be that inadequately set up.
 
Yeah. But you have to remember, Ironwood was aware that someone broke into the CCTS. When it became obvious that nothing was stolen, that would naturally lead to the conclusion that something was put in. It wasn't as if this was slipped in with a service update or something.

A system this centralized can't be that inadequately set up.
ehh, if a virus is has high enough access the system itself doesnt know it's there, and the only way to get it out is to overwrite everything.
 
Yeah. But you have to remember, Ironwood was aware that someone broke into the CCTS. When it became obvious that nothing was stolen, that would naturally lead to the conclusion that something was put in. It wasn't as if this was slipped in with a service update or something.

A system this centralized can't be that inadequately set up.
For all we know they did check and couldn't find anything.
Penny barely took a hit all fight, then the wires instantly shred her.
We don't know if the wires, blades and lasers are powered by her aura. Looking at her fights she never seemed to block any attacks with her body, only with the blades. It's possible that most of her energy is focused into her 'bits' and thus her body is weaker.

Also if you look closely when Pyrrha sent out the polarity shockwave, Penny had that black aura around her and was clutching her chest as if in pain. Now we don't know how her internals are designed but a magnetic force strong enough to blast away sword like that tends to do very bad things to computers. As a result her Aura protections might not have been at their best when the squeeze started.

Finally from what I understand Aura creates protection from exterior threats. What happened to Penny was in the end was self-harm, as it was her own wires doing the damage.
 
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Didn't she upload her virus from an admin terminal? not much security can stop that. and to gain access to new systems as the virus is in control of the ISP all it needs to do is monitor the communications until it picks up passwords.
Having an admin terminal that does downloads/uploads in that manner would fall under no idea about basic security.

And simply listening isn't enough. We do that already in the real world. That's why stuff gets encrypted, so that you can't simply listen to traffic an pull out all the information.
 
Penny barely took a hit all fight, then the wires instantly shred her.

Yes, and Scarlet's aura was basically full and then got dropped hard by a nut shot.

Aura can be rapidly depleted by a strong enough attack and this was evidently a very strong attack.

And that's not even getting into how Penny's blades and wires, like the weapons of other Hunters, are conduits for her Aura and may have been "inside" rather than an exterior force.
 
Most people don't have their Aura unlocked. Semblance takes some level of training/experience to unlock, as displayed by Jaune. So the number of Aura users might be 10% or something, while the number of Aura users who can access their Semblance might be even lower.
For what? That most people don't have their Aura unlocked? We know for a fact that Jaune didn't, and it would defy all logic for him not to if everyone's Aura was unlocked.
Jaune feels like someone who's lived an extremely sheltered life. He was probably born in the kingdom of Vale (away from Grimm attacks), possibly the youngest of at least 8 siblings (Jaune plus 7 sisters), and raised by doting/overprotective parents (ready to welcome him home if/when he flunks out of Beacon). I bet he was home-schooled, too. I don't think he's "normal", except from an audience surrogate perspective.

What I'm getting at is that unlocking Aura may be more like... losing your virginity (if you'll pardon the crude comparison) than mastering a martial art, in terms of population figures.

That's assuming they can retrieve her, but considering how everything is going pear shaped I'm not sure that Ironwood has the time. However Ruby might and then end up integrating Penny into Crescent Rose.
That sounds like a marvelous idea for a crack-fic.
 
That sounds like a marvelous idea for a crack-fic.

Yeah, that's what Ruby needs. Another reason to spend time with Crescent Rose.

I can however see Ruby imagining 'upgrading' Penny so this can't happen again. -Imagines Penny's head attached to a giant 1950s nuclear powered doombot-



Ruby : There! Now nobody will ever hurt you again! :)


Again. She's a robot. I expect her to walk it off.*

Heck, I expect her to show up in Volume 4 rescuing team RWBY at a point when the mood needs lightening.

* Honestly I kind of went into this episode expecting Penny to die for sure. I.E. total body loss. But the way she went down I don't think she's a goner. Especially if Ruby keeps it together and retrieves her.
 
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Yeah, that's what Ruby needs. Another reason to spend time with Crescent Rose.

But would it make more, or less creepy?
All the king's horses and all the King's men, won't be able to put this little dear back together again.

It's not necessarily a matter of being able to put her back together, it's a matter of being able to put her back together correctly. I don't think a soul is as malleable as the metal that is her body. Relatively speaking, we don't really know how souls work, and what little we do know doesn't paint the best picture.
 
It's not necessarily a matter of being able to put her back together, it's a matter of being able to put her back together correctly. I don't think a soul is as malleable as the metal that is her body. Relatively speaking, we don't really know how souls work, and what little we do know doesn't paint the best picture.

On the other hand, do we have any reason to think what happened actually destroyed/damaged her soul?

Her sternum and head are pretty much completely intact and those are just about the most heavily protected places you can have in a humanoid body. So it's likely where her important components are housed.
 
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On the other hand, do we have any reason to think what happened actually destroyed/damaged her soul?

Her sternum and head are pretty much completely intact and those are just about the most heavily protected places you can have in a humanoid body. So it's likely to where her important component are housed.
Well there's the case that Pyrrha sent forth a polarity wave (or whatever we're calling it) that was supposed to be strong enough to send back a lot of swords. There's also the case that it may have messed with Penny's internals.

Speaking of that bullshit amount of swords (which I am not counting), I'm pretty sure that if Pyrrha had a lot less anxiety at the moment, she probably would have realized something was up. I can understand that RWBY weaponry can be pretty bullshit, but even then, there's a limit on how ridiculous it can get.
 
Well there's the case that Pyrrha sent forth a polarity wave (or whatever we're calling it) that was supposed to be strong enough to send back a lot of swords. There's also the case that it may have messed with Penny's internals.

Speaking of that bullshit amount of swords (which I am not counting), I'm pretty sure that if Pyrrha had a lot less anxiety at the moment, she probably would have realized something was up. I can understand that RWBY weaponry can be pretty bullshit, but even then, there's a limit on how ridiculous it can get.
Yeah it was pretty obvious that she wasn't thinking straight, the girl was going through a lot of emotional turmoil which is probably why Emerald decided to go for something so over the top.
 
Well there's the case that Pyrrha sent forth a polarity wave (or whatever we're calling it) that was supposed to be strong enough to send back a lot of swords. There's also the case that it may have messed with Penny's internals.

Penny still appeared conscious after the wave passed rather than going lights out instantly as I'd expect with anything electronic being fried. It was obviously effecting her but I wouldn't be surprised if her vital systems were shielded above and beyond relying on her aura.

IMO, that's a minus... He's the harbinger of bad animation, he who announced Cinder running on the roofs.

They need to bring in a Corgi to mocap for him. :cool:

Penny barely took a hit all fight, then the wires instantly shred her.

The way I see it going down Pyrrha threw an incredible amount of energy into her attack which may very well have shorted out Penny's ability to project her aura.

Again, I don't think it killed her. But I'd bet that even without the garrote wire dismemberment she'd need extensive post battle repairs.
 
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On the other hand, do we have any reason to think what happened actually destroyed/damaged her soul?

Her sternum and head are pretty much completely intact and those are just about the most heavily protected places you can have in a humanoid body. So it's likely where her important components are housed.
Penny also continued to spark for some time (trying to move her missing limbs?) until her eyes went dead, which suggests she still had some battery power left. She may have gone into hibernation.

Those last few moments must have been traumatic, though. Poor Penny.


Penny still appeared conscious after the wave passed rather than going lights out instantly as I'd expect with anything electronic being fried. It was obviously effecting her but I wouldn't be surprised if her vital systems were shielded above and beyond relying on her aura.
The way I see it going down Pyrrha threw an incredible amount of energy into her attack which may very well have shorted out Penny's ability to project her aura.

Again, I don't think it killed her. But I'd bet that even without the garrote wire dismemberment she'd need extensive post battle repairs.
When Pyrrha's magnetic pulse hits her, Penny looks like she's having a heart attack. Then, after she's clearly lost control of her movements, you can hear Penny gasp.



So Penny was clearly conscious.

Also noticed that Penny's wires glow with a pulse of light before they garrote her. Something to do with her Aura?

 
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I'm actually pissed off about a certain scene in this episode.
The thing with the three Atlesian airships.
I literally saw what Neo did to the crew and said "I bet that one's name is USM Valor."
 
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