RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

[kokuenDG]

so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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[Zam]

Have you seen Pyrrha? She would have tried its how she is its WHY Ozpin picked her.

Now I do admit we dont know if it played any part with unlocking which is what I was saying we only know of Jaune's and one example does not make it the rule unless we are told its bog standard and we havent been given a single hint.
But we do have to acknowledge that outside of Hunters Aura isnt known since Jaune didnt even know about it so the common citizen most likely isnt aware since at that time Jaune's knowledge was as much as a normal off the street persons.

So we then need to ask WHY is it the citizens arent being given this tool that could save their lives in case of grim attacks. And in reference to the police question if everyone has it then the police are just as empowered as the criminals so status quo is kept.

There must be some reason for it. Is it the lifestyle of a hunter keeps your body in the condition to safely use the Aura? or something else? We just dont know.

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While I imagine she'd have tried regardless I feel she would have made mention of it if it was difficult or Jaune's innate abilities helped her and that there might have been more uncertainty. That is to say, I do not feel anything in Pyrrhas actions, or other people's reactions to it what few there were and its overall lack of attention in the narrative paint awakening someone's Aura as being particularly difficult and Jaune thus unique. As to whether Aura is a largely unknown thing I feel that is more debatable as we don't know where Jaune came from and he was pretty much being used to set up exposition in that scene, but he also knew next to nothing about the Grim either.

As to why its not more common, I figure its because the Academies and possibly even Aura use are relatively recent. I mean, we keep hearing about how integral Dust was to everyone's survival but Aura doesn't seem to get much of a mention so its possible it came out after the colour wars which was also why Atlas had only recently started studying it scientifically. Also there might be a safety concern about awakening every bodies Aura and we don't actually know if the police have awakened Aura, though if Juniors mooks do I find it unlikely that the police wouldn't, they just lack the training to be anything other than mooks.

 

[skaianDestiny]

But we do have to acknowledge that outside of Hunters Aura isnt known since Jaune didnt even know about it so the common citizen most likely isnt aware since at that time Jaune's knowledge was as much as a normal off the street persons.

So we then need to ask WHY is it the citizens arent being given this tool that could save their lives in case of grim attacks. And in reference to the police question if everyone has it then the police are just as empowered as the criminals so status quo is kept.

There must be some reason for it. Is it the lifestyle of a hunter keeps your body in the condition to safely use the Aura? or something else? We just dont know.

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See this facet of lazy exposition has really harmed the worldbuilding immensely IMO. Any explanation as to why Jaune doesn't know a seemingly integral part of surviving ends up being clunky as hell, especially when you look at the background and history.

As to why its not more common, I figure its because the Academies and possibly even Aura use are relatively recent. I mean, we keep hearing about how integral Dust was to everyone's survival but Aura doesn't seem to get much of a mention so its possible it came out after the colour wars which was also why Atlas had only recently started studying it scientifically. Also there might be a safety concern about awakening every bodies Aura and we don't actually know if the police have awakened Aura, though if Juniors mooks do I find it unlikely that the police wouldn't, they just lack the training to be anything other than mooks.

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If Aura is something recent as the Color Wars, then how the fucking hell did humanity survive until then? If the Grimm have existed as long as humanity remembers then fuck how did non-Aura users deal with even the larger-than-average Beowolf Coco kicks in the groin? Especially as RT has outright said Remnant humans are the same as RL humans if not for Aura.

 

[Zam]

If Aura is something recent as the Color Wars, then how the fucking hell did humanity survive until then? If the Grimm have existed as long as humanity remembers then fuck how did non-Aura users deal with even the larger-than-average Beowolf Coco kicks in the groin?

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It was just a theory, mostly based on my, possibly incorrect observation that Aura seems to get a lot less narrative attention or discussion within the series as being integral to people surviving the Grim while Dust gets referenced a lot. Its also possible they only had basic Aura awakening until recently like Juniors mooks or Atlas's soldiers who were capable of taking down regular Grim easily enough but not fighting them all and certainly not the bigger ones it seems.

 

[skaianDestiny]

It was just a theory, mostly based on my, possibly incorrect observation that Aura seems to get a lot less narrative attention or discussion within the series as being integral to people surviving the Grim while Dust gets referenced a lot. Its also possible they only had basic Aura awakening until recently like Juniors mooks or Atlas's soldiers who were capable of taking down regular Grim easily enough but not fighting them all and certainly not the bigger ones it seems.

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The problem with this is if everyone only had basic Aura until recently is the fact that humanity still would have become extinct as even a single three story-tall Goliath or several Deathstalkers would be functionally invulnerable. Early humanity only had swords and the like FFS. Making it so the higher levels of Aura were a recent development is like shooting a toddler in the leg and telling it to run from a bloodlusted cheetah.

 

[revanninja]

While I imagine she'd have tried regardless I feel she would have made mention of it if it was difficult or Jaune's innate abilities helped her and that there might have been more uncertainty. That is to say, I do not feel anything in Pyrrhas actions, or other people's reactions to it what few there were and its overall lack of attention in the narrative paint awakening someone's Aura as being particularly difficult and Jaune thus unique. As to whether Aura is a largely unknown thing I feel that is more debatable as we don't know where Jaune came from and he was pretty much being used to set up exposition in that scene, but he also knew next to nothing about the Grim either.

As to why its not more common, I figure its because the Academies and possibly even Aura use are relatively recent. I mean, we keep hearing about how integral Dust was to everyone's survival but Aura doesn't seem to get much of a mention so its possible it came out after the colour wars which was also why Atlas had only recently started studying it scientifically. Also there might be a safety concern about awakening every bodies Aura and we don't actually know if the police have awakened Aura, though if Juniors mooks do I find it unlikely that the police wouldn't, they just lack the training to be anything other than mooks.

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Since she does mention he has quite a large amount of Aura that can be used but as I said one example does not make the rule.

As for Jaune no, Jaune is clearly meant to be the everyman he isnt completely clueless of the world he lives in he lacks the higher education hunter's enjoy.
We have to take Jaune's reactions as being a somewhat normal response simply because he is the only person not a trained hunter or someone we can expect to be educated in the subject IE Mercury or Emerald.
Until we are shown otherwise Jaune's reactions in Season 1 are from a somewhat normal persons reactions simply because he is the only person who isnt a fully trained hunter learning this.

As for Aura and Dust. It may in fact be that before the schools like Beacon happened it was a more personal thing like early alchemy was before a scientific way of studying it came about. Basically it may never have occured to the people to study Aura in a scientific way before now which out own history has shown can and does happen.
And I wasnt saying the Police had aura I was just pointing out if it was widespread the police would for sure have it.

See this facet of lazy exposition has really harmed the worldbuilding immensely IMO. Any explanation as to why Jaune doesn't know a seemingly integral part of surviving ends up being clunky as hell, especially when you look at the background and history.

If Aura is something recent as the Color Wars, then how the fucking hell did humanity survive until then? If the Grimm have existed as long as humanity remembers then fuck how did non-Aura users deal with even the larger-than-average Beowolf Coco kicks in the groin? Especially as RT has outright said Remnant humans are the same as RL humans if not for Aura.

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That may not in fact be lazy and instead its NOT an integral part of survival for a normal person but rather is for a Hunter. Sort of everyone has it so why question it sort of thing.
It can go either way next episode may give us some clues.

While I dont think Aura is new but its told to us that the Kingdoms have natural barriers that protect them from the grim and keep them out normally.

 

[skaianDestiny]

That may not in fact be lazy and instead its NOT an integral part of survival for a normal person but rather is for a Hunter. Sort of everyone has it so why question it sort of thing.

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It's a fucking integral part of survival for literally everyone outside the Kingdoms.

Like, even if you can't fight, with just an awakened Aura you can take just one more swipe from a Beowolf that you wouldn't otherwise. There's literally no downsides to having an awakened Aura.

 

[Zam]

The problem with this is if everyone only had basic Aura until recently is the fact that humanity still would have become extinct as even a single three story-tall Goliath or several Deathstalkers would be functionally invulnerable. Early humanity only had swords and the like FFS. Making it so the higher levels of Aura were a recent development is like shooting a toddler in the leg and telling it to run from a bloodlusted cheetah.

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And Faunus, sorry knee-jerk reaction, anyone, Aura could be a lost art, suppressed after the Anti-Colour Crew showed up and people were established. Like I said it was just a theoretical idea based on a slightly odd but possibly non existent pattern. Chances are it is just clunky exposition.

Since she does mention he has quite a large amount of Aura that can be used but as I said one example does not make the rule.

As for Jaune no, Jaune is clearly meant to be the everyman he isnt completely clueless of the world he lives in he lacks the higher education hunter's enjoy.
We have to take Jaune's reactions as being a somewhat normal response simply because he is the only person not a trained hunter or someone we can expect to be educated in the subject IE Mercury or Emerald.
Until we are shown otherwise Jaune's reactions in Season 1 are from a somewhat normal persons reactions simply because he is the only person who isnt a fully trained hunter learning this.

As for Aura and Dust. It may in fact be that before the schools like Beacon happened it was a more personal thing like early alchemy was before a scientific way of studying it came about. Basically it may never have occured to the people to study Aura in a scientific way before now which out own history has shown can and does happen.
And I wasnt saying the Police had aura I was just pointing out if it was widespread the police would for sure have it.

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I disagree personally, if she'd said it was "lucky"her had so much Aura or something else, otherwise it just feels like Pyrrha offering a compliment.

Why do we 'have' to? Its certainly not how I tend to interpret his actions, knowledge or lack there-of.

 

[skaianDestiny]

And Faunus, sorry knee-jerk reaction, anyone, Aura could be a lost art, suppressed after the Anti-Colour Crew showed up and people were established. Like I said it was just a theoretical idea based on a slightly odd but possibly non existent pattern. Chances are it is just clunky exposition.

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For all we know the Faunus didn't even exist until after the Color Wars.

And Aura being a lost art is stupid when you could get some immigrants from a village or nomadic group explain it and give it out. Especially after the Anti-color Crew were kicked out.

 

[Zam]

For all we know the Faunus didn't even exist until after the Color Wars.

And Aura being a lost art is stupid when you could get some immigrants from a village or nomadic group explain it and give it out. Especially after the Anti-color Crew were kicked out.

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If that's the case humans got into mass discrimination crazy fast and even more hilariously hypocritically XD

That's fair, at this point I'm mostly leaning to Jaune's family just not telling him and or Jaune not studying up much before Beacon. Really his entire background is a mess.

 

[skaianDestiny]

If that's the case humans got into mass discrimination crazy fast and even more hilariously hypocritically XD

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Why do you think AI in fiction rebel so quickly after becoming sapient?

That's fair, at this point I'm mostly leaning to Jaune's family just not telling him and or Jaune not studying up much before Beacon. Really his entire background is a mess.

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A-fucking-men.

 

[Zam]

Why do you think AI in fiction rebel so quickly after becoming sapient?

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Fair point, vote for the robo-cyborg uprising!

 

[revanninja]

It's a fucking integral part of survival for literally everyone outside the Kingdoms.

Like, even if you can't fight, with just an awakened Aura you can take just one more swipe from a Beowolf that you wouldn't otherwise. There's literally no downsides to having an awakened Aura.

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That we are aware of.
That is the problem we dont know a LOT about aura in fact before Ironwood said it we didnt even know you can transfer aura like they are planning and its clear that is a recent thing.
And from listening to the recent livestream where aura came up its clear they were keeping something back they needed to think about what they wanted to say and it wasnt an off the cuff answer.
So from my standpoint there isnt enough information on the subject to say its purely good for all we know using Aura too heavily may in fact kill you as it drains you too much but that is just a guess based on the fact when Ruby used her Semblance she had a near fainting spell when she was dashing with Penny and Pyrrha when unlocking Jaune which we know used her Aura winded her and so on.
We just dont know enough.

I disagree personally, if she'd said it was "lucky"her had so much Aura or something else, otherwise it just feels like Pyrrha offering a compliment.

Why do we 'have' to? Its certainly not how I tend to interpret his actions, knowledge or lack there-of.

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It may have been it may have not we just dont know which is what I am saying.

The reason we need to take it as the everyman is because Jaune is the only normal person in the cast exposed to these elements. We cant name a single person in the cast who isnt a hunter, teacher, or anti-hunter in the group outside of Jaune who we are flat out told in Season 1 he isnt a trained person he faked his transcripts.
That is the reason why we are told before all this Jaune was a normal person who wasnt hunter trained we arent shown anyone else and the info docs dont cover this at all.

Its also REALLY stupid to assume that Jaune somehow wasnt told something that is common knowledge in the whole world. Recall Jaune has NO CLUE what Aura is not he doesnt understand it he has NOT A SINGLE CLUE. If Aura was common and jaune just didnt know he would have acted differently instead he acts like he hasnt heard of Aura.
Also Jaune HAS studied he just doesnt have the training the others do and it SHOWS.

Jaune isnt an idiot a goof sure but as he made clear when he confessed to faking his transcripts he wants this BAD and he worked hard to get it and is still working Hard to get it the problem and the thing people forget is he is playing catch up to all the training everyone else already has AND the new stuff being taught and he is suffering for it.
Its why with Pyrrha's help he is clearly improving.

So saying Jaune didnt study doesnt make sense since he clearly is doing everything he can to catch up. Jaune's parents are an unknown but when he was talking to Pyrrha he said his parents said he could come back home when he failed. They dont believe in him but they dont seem intentionally harmful, I actually think its because of the whole 7 sisters I think jaune is the baby of the family.
And saying Jaune didnt get a common knowledge thing is incredibly stupid and worse world building then people are accusing the rwby staff of IMO.

 

[Zam]

It may have been it may have not we just dont know which is what I am saying.

The reason we need to take it as the everyman is because Jaune is the only normal person in the cast exposed to these elements. We cant name a single person in the cast who isnt a hunter, teacher, or anti-hunter in the group outside of Jaune who we are flat out told in Season 1 he isnt a trained person he faked his transcripts.
That is the reason why we are told before all this Jaune was a normal person who wasnt hunter trained we arent shown anyone else and the info docs dont cover this at all.

Its also REALLY stupid to assume that Jaune somehow wasnt told something that is common knowledge in the whole world. Recall Jaune has NO CLUE what Aura is not he doesnt understand it he has NOT A SINGLE CLUE. If Aura was common and jaune just didnt know he would have acted differently instead he acts like he hasnt heard of Aura.
Also Jaune HAS studied he just doesnt have the training the others do and it SHOWS.

Jaune isnt an idiot a goof sure but as he made clear when he confessed to faking his transcripts he wants this BAD and he worked hard to get it and is still working Hard to get it the problem and the thing people forget is he is playing catch up to all the training everyone else already has AND the new stuff being taught and he is suffering for it.
Its why with Pyrrha's help he is clearly improving.

So saying Jaune didnt study doesnt make sense since he clearly is doing everything he can to catch up. Jaune's parents are an unknown but when he was talking to Pyrrha he said his parents said he could come back home when he failed. They dont believe in him but they dont seem intentionally harmful, I actually think its because of the whole 7 sisters I think jaune is the baby of the family.
And saying Jaune didnt get a common knowledge thing is incredibly stupid and worse world building then people are accusing the rwby staff of IMO.

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The key issue for me with regarding Jaune as an "every man" and representative of the norm is that he apparently comes from a line of heroes back at least two generations. So in that context his background doesn't really feel normal he just seems uneducated.

Given the Vytal Festival Tournament I feel Aura not being common knowledge makes little sense, as I am certain someone would ask exactly how all the insane feats are being performed.

I don't particularly want to debate the rest on whether Jaune worked hard to get in and stuff as I don't feel its relevant and I imagine it will just come down to us interpreting his actions differently.

 

[Triggerhappy]

The key issue for me with regarding Jaune as an "every man" and representative of the norm is that he apparently comes from a line of heroes back at least two generations. So in that context his background doesn't really feel normal he just seems uneducated.

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I'm chalking this up to someone not really thinking through just how ignorant they could get away with Jaune being.

 

[Zam]

I'm chocking this up to someone not really thinking through just how ignorant they could get away with Jaune being.

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That's fair, at this point I'm willing to just shrug it off as a case of early instalment weirdness and ignore it myself.

Edit: Heh, funny, I always thought it was "chalk" it up to (insert reason here) XD

 

[revanninja]

The key issue for me with regarding Jaune as an "every man" and representative of the norm is that he apparently comes from a line of heroes back at least two generations. So in that context his background doesn't really feel normal he just seems uneducated.

Given the Vytal Festival Tournament I feel Aura not being common knowledge makes little sense, as I am certain someone would ask exactly how all the insane feats are being performed.

I don't particularly want to debate the rest on whether Jaune worked hard to get in and stuff as I don't feel its relevant and I imagine it will just come down to us interpreting his actions differently.

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The Vital festival issue is clear they are hunters which are expected to be awesome. Also in case you missed it commentary by the profs would fill in for people and since we come into in the middle we get to skip all the rehashing of info we know about.

And when did having a famous war hero of a great great grandfather making him knowledgable? Answer it doesnt we only know that Jaune's great great grandfather was a famous general not even that his great great grandfather had aura.

You are making a logic leap that Because Jaune has a famous Great Great Grandfather he would know things and that doesnt follow we dont know what his family situation is for all we know that Great to the 2nd was an oddball in the family or he could be normal we just dont know.

And he comes across as uneducated because he is its just in relation to hunter arts he is uneducated. For example do you know what he has written on his shoes? Left and right seems like an uhhh ok jaune is stupid if he needs to write down which shoe is which but that isnt what its for. Its for in case he is concussed which often leaves one disoriented and unsure of which way is which having a focus as simple as which is left and which is right. In case you dont realize that is a battlefield tactic like lining your helmet with items in the RL which makes your helmet that much thicker and that micron of difference means the bullet stopping or not stopping in your helmet.

Considering they could have taught about Aura in a LOT of ways because after all they are in a school and can do as you know teaching but instead show jaune doesnt know it.
This says to me Aura isnt a common thing and I think I will be shown to be right in next weeks episode.

 

[Zam]

The Vital festival issue is clear they are hunters which are expected to be awesome. Also in case you missed it commentary by the profs would fill in for people and since we come into in the middle we get to skip all the rehashing of info we know about.

And when did having a famous war hero of a great great grandfather making him knowledgable? Answer it doesnt we only know that Jaune's great great grandfather was a famous general not even that his great great grandfather had aura.

You are making a logic leap that Because Jaune has a famous Great Great Grandfather he would know things and that doesnt follow we dont know what his family situation is for all we know that Great to the 2nd was an oddball in the family or he could be normal we just dont know.

And he comes across as uneducated because he is its just in relation to hunter arts he is uneducated. For example do you know what he has written on his shoes? Left and right seems like an uhhh ok jaune is stupid if he needs to write down which shoe is which but that isnt what its for. Its for in case he is concussed which often leaves one disoriented and unsure of which way is which having a focus as simple as which is left and which is right. In case you dont realize that is a battlefield tactic like lining your helmet with items in the RL which makes your helmet that much thicker and that micron of difference means the bullet stopping or not stopping in your helmet.

Considering they could have taught about Aura in a LOT of ways because after all they are in a school and can do as you know teaching but instead show jaune doesnt know it.
This says to me Aura isnt a common thing and I think I will be shown to be right in next weeks episode.

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I'm kind of confused by this opening argument, I mean, Doctor Oobleck even uses terms like Semblance in their commentary so presumably the audience must know what they mean and at least have an understanding of what they are.

My point wasn't that it should make him knowledgeable, though it makes his lack of knowledge more confusing (Plus I'm pretty sure he said his father was one as well) my point was that it means Jaune doesn't come from a "normal" home life given most people aren't descended from heroes. Also where was it said Jaune's grandfather was a general? I've often assumed that to be the case but I don't recall it being stated anywhere.

I feels like you're putting a lot of words in my mouth with the rest of the post, sorry.

 

[revanninja]

I'm kind of confused by this opening argument, I mean, Doctor Oobleck even uses terms like Semblance in their commentary so presumably the audience must know what they mean and at least have an understanding of what they are.

My point wasn't that it should make him knowledgeable, though it makes his lack of knowledge more confusing (Plus I'm pretty sure he said his father was one as well) my point was that it means Jaune doesn't come from a "normal" home life given most people aren't descended from heroes. Also where was it said Jaune's grandfather was a general? I've often assumed that to be the case but I don't recall it being stated anywhere.

I feels like you're putting a lot of words in my mouth with the rest of the post, sorry.

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I am not "putting words into your mouth"
I am explaining and giving my ideas most of that isnt even aimed at you but rather at the other readers to fill them in.

As for the Vital festival...again the Profs are commentary Let me repeat the Experienced Hunters who are teaching the classes are commenting on the fights and explaining what is going on that includes what Semblance is and what aura is.
And by explaining Aura I mean HEHM To our audience at Home we are juding our fighters not only on ability but their Aura. Aura is what Protects and empowers Hunters that allows them to do the things they do such as Semblances which is an unleashed form of Aura unique to each fighter. Once Aura is depleted our Fighters can take real damage and we obviously dont want that so once a fighter is out of Aura they are out of the Match HEHM.
Explains Aura without explaining Aura and would be easy for someone to gloss over.

Jaune himself says he was one when he talks to Ruby in Episode 2 I think it was by the fountain and loooooking back he just says he fought in the war huh well ok. And he doesnt say his father was a hunter just that he was a hero and his grandfather and so on when he confesses to Pyrrha. And he also says he was never good enough like he has tried and failed before.
Anyway Jaune's family is full of heroes but it isnt said they were hunters so him having knowledge on aura doesnt follow espically if its something you are suppose to learn at school where they can safely teach you it.
Basically Jaune having heroes in his lines doesnt mean he should be expected to know about aura and the fact he has that line yet still doesnt know about is telling especially when we take into consideration the effort he is putting into this.

Let me ask you this and turn the shoe onto the other foot. Why is it more belivable that Jaune is ignorant about a fact of life that is vital to what he wants and has never unlocked said ability Despite having a long line of heroes which if aura was common would all have their auras awoken?
Because that makes NO sense to me how jaune could go 16 years of his life with never hearing of Aura and never having it unlocked if it was a COMMON fact of life despite his stated goal of being a hunter where if it was a known factor would state warriors who use Aura to defend against the grim.

That is my issue and why I think its more likely Aura isnt commonly known or just tossed up as some hunter thing because the other side of the coin makes almost zero sense.

 

[Zam]

I am not "putting words into your mouth"
I am explaining and giving my ideas most of that isnt even aimed at you but rather at the other readers to fill them in.

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Sorry but this:

For example do you know what he has written on his shoes? Left and right seems like an uhhh ok jaune is stupid if he needs to write down which shoe is which but that isnt what its for.

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kind of came out of left field and felt like you were implying somehting about what I was saying. Apologies if that wasn't your intent.

As for the Vital festival...again the Profs are commentary Let me repeat the Experienced Hunters who are teaching the classes are commenting on the fights and explaining what is going on that includes what Semblance is and what aura is.
And by explaining Aura I mean HEHM To our audience at Home we are juding our fighters not only on ability but their Aura. Aura is what Protects and empowers Hunters that allows them to do the things they do such as Semblances which is an unleashed form of Aura unique to each fighter. Once Aura is depleted our Fighters can take real damage and we obviously dont want that so once a fighter is out of Aura they are out of the Match HEHM.
Explains Aura without explaining Aura and would be easy for someone to gloss over.

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I'm... honestly confused by what you are trying to say here.
I believed that your argument was that due to what was shown with Jaune regular people couldn't know what Aura was. I felt that what was shown at the Vytal Festival countered that.

Jaune himself says he was one when he talks to Ruby in Episode 2 I think it was by the fountain and loooooking back he just says he fought in the war huh well ok. And he doesnt say his father was a hunter just that he was a hero and his grandfather and so on when he confesses to Pyrrha. And he also says he was never good enough like he has tried and failed before.
Anyway Jaune's family is full of heroes but it isnt said they were hunters so him having knowledge on aura doesnt follow espically if its something you are suppose to learn at school where they can safely teach you it.
Basically Jaune having heroes in his lines doesnt mean he should be expected to know about aura and the fact he has that line yet still doesnt know about is telling especially when we take into consideration the effort he is putting into this.

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I kind of doubt his father and grandfather could have been armed "heroes" without active Aura's and his parents seemed to know about Beacon to at least some degree so them not having Aura feels kind of unlikely to me, and a general or anyone who fought in a war not knowing what Aura is seems even less likely.

Why is it more belivable that Jaune is ignorant about a fact of life that is vital to what he wants and has never unlocked said ability Despite having a long line of heroes which if aura was common would all have their auras awoken?
Because that makes NO sense to me how jaune could go 16 years of his life with never hearing of Aura and never having it unlocked if it was a COMMON fact of life despite his stated goal of being a hunter where if it was a known factor would state warriors who use Aura to defend against the grim.

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As I've said, I assume it was clunky writing to force exposition.

 

[revanninja]

Sorry but this:
kind of came out of left field and felt like you were implying somehting about what I was saying. Apologies if that wasn't your intent.
I'm... honestly confused by what you are trying to say here.
I believed that your argument was that due to what was shown with Jaune regular people couldn't know what Aura was. I felt that what was shown at the Vytal Festival countered that.
I kind of doubt his father and grandfather could have been armed "heroes" without active Aura's and his parents seemed to know about Beacon to at least some degree so them not having Aura feels kind of unlikely to me, and a general or anyone who fought in a war not knowing what Aura is seems even less likely.
As I've said, I assume it was clunky writing to force exposition.

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The shoe thing was me showing that Jaune puts a lot of effort and thought into being a warrior him missing a thing like aura if its well known doesnt follow with the prep he tries to put into things.
No the Vytal festival by having commentary on it doesnt counter it because it means they NEED people to explain what is going on and in fact Obleck explains someones Semblance in the Weiss Yang double fight. Their Job is to make the fights easier to understand for the common people. So having a commentary means they need someone to explain which tanks the whole common knowledge thing.
We just know they were heroes not what type of heroes. A hero who saves a village from a flood is still a hero despite not using a weapon. And outside of the Great Great Grandfather who just fought in a war and isnt a General, that was my bad, we dont know if they fight at all. We dont even know if he was a normal soldier or anything really so
Hero=/=Aura
Fought in a war=/=Aura
And them knowing about beacon doesnt make them know about aura....Beacon is THE school to train hunters in Vale remember? Its like someone talking about Yale or Princeton.

And I dont think its clunky writing I think it was writing MEANT to show aura wasnt well known. In the interviews Monty on season 1 already had plans for season 3 Burnie was saying that he had to tell them not to focus on the long goal but to get the first season out and see how it went from there. That was a podcast awhile ago i dont recall which number but it was after season 1.

Let us look at the facts.
Jaune comes from Long Line of heroes
Jaune has done a lot of prep work into becoming a Hunter
Jaune has false records of what he is
Jaune is studying like mad and training just as hard just to reach the same level as others
Jaune doesnt have Aura
Jaune doesnt know about Aura

You see the problem with the whole aura is common thing? Because if it was a common well known thing Jaune being who he is would 100% know about it and have it unlocked yet he doesnt, he also in his attempts to become a hunter has never heard of it till Pyrrha tells him.

So considering how much details are being put into the story and the fact Jaune isnt a cast away idiot used to fill in the audience and what we know about jaune aura being common knowledge isnt likely at all.

 

[Zam]

Let us look at the facts.
Jaune comes from Long Line of heroes
Jaune has done a lot of prep work into becoming a Hunter
Jaune has false records of what he is
Jaune is studying like mad and training just as hard just to reach the same level as others
Jaune doesnt have Aura
Jaune doesnt know about Aura

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I don't agree with all these statements so I feel we're not going to reach a consensus in this debate as we seem to have reached entirely different conclusions about Jaune, his past, his actions and the setting and these differing interpretations are not something we can easily square, if at all. At this point, while I disagree I don't believe we will actually accomplish anything by continuing the debate.

 

[revanninja]

I don't agree with all these statements so I feel we're not going to reach a consensus in this debate as we seem to have reached entirely different conclusions about Jaune, his past, his actions and the setting and these differing interpretations are not something we can easily square, if at all. At this point, while I disagree I don't believe we will actually accomplish anything by continuing the debate.

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What?
I can understand agreeing to disagree but those you quoted are facts from the show
Jaune comes from Long Line of heroes
My father, my grandfather, and his father before him were all warriors! They were all heroes! I wanted to be one, too. I was just never good enough.
jaunedice pt 2
Jaune has done a lot of prep work into becoming a Hunter
As of Volume 2, the soles of Jaune's shoes have completely changed. In place of the rainbow emblem, he has "left" and "right" written on them. Miles once joked that Jaune might be worried that something may happen to him that makes him confuse left and right, such as a concussion.
Jaune has false records of what he is
I mean I didn't go to combat school! I didn't pass any tests! I didn't earn my spot at this academy! I lied! I got my hands on some fake transcripts, and I lied!
Jaunedice pt 2
Jaune is studying like mad and training just as hard just to reach the same level as others
Forever Fall Pt 2 ending
Jaune doesnt have Aura
For it is in passing that we achieve immortality. Through this, we become a paragon of virtue and glory to rise above all. Infinite in distance and unbound by death, I release your soul, and by my shoulder, protect thee.
The emerald Forest Part 1
Jaune doesnt know about Aura
Of course I do. Do YOU know what Aura is?
The emerald forest part 1

These arent things that can be argued these are things shown in the show as fact. The Only thing you can argue is the Prep work for being a Hunter but considering Jaune has thought about concussion and is able to do both his and Cardins homework it shows he does put a lot of effort into being a hunter. And then Later he takes on Pyrrha's training to get better as a warrior. So its save to say Jaune works hard at it.

 

[Zam]

What?
I can understand agreeing to disagree but those you quoted are facts from the show
Jaune comes from Long Line of heroes
My father, my grandfather, and his father before him were all warriors! They were all heroes! I wanted to be one, too. I was just never good enough.
jaunedice pt 2
Jaune has done a lot of prep work into becoming a Hunter
As of Volume 2, the soles of Jaune's shoes have completely changed. In place of the rainbow emblem, he has "left" and "right" written on them. Miles once joked that Jaune might be worried that something may happen to him that makes him confuse left and right, such as a concussion.
Jaune has false records of what he is
I mean I didn't go to combat school! I didn't pass any tests! I didn't earn my spot at this academy! I lied! I got my hands on some fake transcripts, and I lied!
Jaunedice pt 2
Jaune is studying like mad and training just as hard just to reach the same level as others
Forever Fall Pt 2 ending
Jaune doesnt have Aura
For it is in passing that we achieve immortality. Through this, we become a paragon of virtue and glory to rise above all. Infinite in distance and unbound by death, I release your soul, and by my shoulder, protect thee.
The emerald Forest Part 1
Jaune doesnt know about Aura
Of course I do. Do YOU know what Aura is?
The emerald forest part 1

These arent things that can be argued these are things shown in the show as fact. The Only thing you can argue is the Prep work for being a Hunter but considering Jaune has thought about concussion and is able to do both his and Cardins homework it shows he does put a lot of effort into being a hunter. And then Later he takes on Pyrrha's training to get better as a warrior. So its save to say Jaune works hard at it.

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I suppose what I should have said was that I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning behind the facts you and I have both cited and the observations made as a result of them.

 

[revanninja]

I suppose what I should have said was that I don't necessarily agree with your reasoning behind the facts you and I have both cited and the observations made as a result of them.

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See that I can understand I disagree with your reasoning but I can understand

The thing we have to keep in mind with this show is that it was always meant for a long run with a complex plot, based on what burnie and monty have said, and that what we may think of as bad writing may not in fact be bad writing but rather intentional writing for future things.
And we are being intentional kept in the dark about things given only pieces as we go along.

 

[Zam]

See that I can understand I disagree with your reasoning but I can understand

The thing we have to keep in mind with this show is that it was always meant for a long run with a complex plot, based on what burnie and monty have said, and that what we may think of as bad writing may not in fact be bad writing but rather intentional writing for future things.
And we are being intentional kept in the dark about things given only pieces as we go along.

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In that case please forgive my earlier poor phrasing.

Sure, that's true, but until I feel the show demonstrates otherwise I can't really see it as anything but clunky exposition. Maybe that will change in the future but as it stands what I've seen hasn't convinced me.

Anyway how about another topic folks, one less decisive maybe?

Who wants to see more Zwei?