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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • HOOOOOOOOOOOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
    EVERYONES DEAD! ROMAN JUST STRAIGHT UP MURDERED TWO FUCKING AIRSHIPS WORTH OF PEOPLE.
    PENNY WAS LITERALLY FUCKING BISECTED.
    WHAT THE FUCK.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Yeah, and the government has been at this for a while to. Yet there hasn't been a mutual escalation of any kind, but just a complete dominance on the part of the White Fang. Though it does kinda prove them right when the authorities can only break up peaceful protests and are totally useless against an armed movement.

    For one, it implies that they couldn't have spies in the organization itself, who could clue the authorities in even if they can't actively contribute. There could be, say, the movement of large sums of money or purchases of stuff that could be used for explosives by known White Fang sympathizers. There's the fact that even if the mech chase didn't give it away, Roman rolling up to the docks with a couple Bullheads worth of White Fang grunts would be a sign that they're working together, which could be confirmed if they have some idea of whats happening in the underworld.

    Basically, the same way that they do it in real life.

    The students also showed no indication of noticing an intruder, and leaping to the conclusion that just because you can't see them in a crowded room full of people automatically means that they teleported away or cloaked themselves is a bad thing to do. In a setting like Remnant, one would assume that people dealing in security have had some training in dealing with Semblances like Illusion powers, or Teleportation, which they could feasibly use. Otherwise all it takes is one actual criminal with a teleportation Semblance, and you can kiss the economy of the Kingdom goodbye, because they could rob it with impunity and never get caught.
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    Who's to say the Government handles the White Fang at all? That seems like Hunter work at least on the higher levels and given the WF hide out in the woods and a bunch of them got caught or died during all the missions I don't feel its been domination on their side. Plus, well, trying to stop terrorists and succeeding at doing so are two different things.

    How often do people sneak spies in terrorist organisations? Especially ideologically motivated ones. That can't be easy and given Adam was bullied into joining and even Roman is kept out of what's going on at times how much worth a spies info would be could be quite limited if they could even successfully plant one which strikes me as exceedingly difficult at the best of times.
    If I recall the WF were using stolen Dust so I'm not sure they were really moving money around much, plus "known WF sympathisers" feels like a sort of risky concept, the WF are terrorist, openly sympathising with them seems like an open invitation to be arrested, assault or spied on. Sure, but what does Roman working with the White Fang matter? It doesn't put them any closer to knowing who Cinder is, any and all connections between her and Roman are superficial and minor at best. Not to be rude but it feels like your complaints are essentially that the villains are just good enough at what they do to avoid being found out.

    I never said it was an automatic assumption but given they couldn't spy anyone running around in a cat suit and the students weren't reacting at all the intruder going invisible or teloporting or illusioning herself to invisibility upon going through the door doesn't seem an unreasonable conclusion to reach. What training would allow them to pick up on whether someone did or didn't do something like use an illusion or turn invisible or teloport? At the end of the day they lost sight of Cinder for something like fifteen seconds as she moved down a hallway, transformed and moved into a crowded room. By the time the guards arrived her disguise was gone and she was inside a massive crowd that likely barely even noticed her presence before or after she after she arrived and no one was acting odd or suspicious. What could they have done?

    revanninja said:
    The white fang might have supporters but anti-animal people (I forget their name type) is actually STRONG from what the creators have said.
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    I imagine this to be the case but do you have a quote? I'd be really interested in seeing/reading it.
     
    Well obviously I'm not convincing anyone of anything, so I'll just shut up now.

    Please, just explain to me how law enforcement even works in a setting with Semblances. Because as far as I can tell it's basically impossible.
     
    Personally, I think that Penny entered some kind of shut-down mode, likely to preserve power or deal with the catastrophic damage she just took. We finally see her creator/father (who by the way kind of looks like Dr. Light, from behind at least), and he's just kind of... clenching his hand on a chair. Doesn't even say anything. That kind of reaction doesn't strike me as "Penny's dead," not from a guy who Penny described as being "very sweet," which implies some level of affection. Similar with Ironwood. Ironwood's not heartless (hah), if he thought Penny was dead, I can't help but think he'd have had a stronger reaction than he did.
     
    Zam said:
    I imagine this to be the case but do you have a quote? I'd be really interested in seeing/reading it.
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    I know they make it clear in several ep such as through Cardin Roman and Wiess and I am trying to find the livestream with it but I have work so dont count on me finding it easily unless someone else knows.
    I remeber reading it on the wiki as a numbered source but I dont recall which page and the obvious White fang Faunus pages didnt bring it up though it does mention the discrimination and gives the overall.

    Azecreth said:
    Well obviously I'm not convincing anyone of anything, so I'll just shut up now.

    Please, just explain to me how law enforcement even works in a setting with Semblances. Because as far as I can tell it's basically impossible.
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    Because most people dont have them awoken.
    Recall Jaune didnt have his awoken before he came to beacon Pyrrha did it so it takes someone with Semblance to awaken someone elses. Most likely it was the Maidens who awoke the first Semblances and it went from there.
    Neo and Roman are most likely former Hunters or had theirs awoken by Hunters on the Bad side of things like Qrow mentions in his Short Skirt story.

    Most likely 90% of the criminal element does not have semblance and the 10% that do become Hunter issues REALLY quickly.
     
    Upon a rewatch, I noticed the Beowulf's eyes glow the exact same way Adam's mask glowed in the Black trailer. Why do I get the feeling Adam can control the Grimm?
     
    Some scenes:
    (I would place previews under spoiler tags, but gfycat media embeds don't seem to work well with them.)

    r0b0panda said:
    Upon a rewatch, I noticed the Beowulf's eyes glow the exact same way Adam's mask glowed in the Black trailer. Why do I get the feeling Adam can control the Grimm?
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    I reckon it's CInder. Remember a couple episodes ago, after Cinder recruited Emerald the screen faded to black and we heard Emerald cry "This is impossible!" while there's growling in the background? Not to mention whatever that beetle that came out of the portal on her glove was.
     
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    revanninja said:
    Because most people dont have them awoken.
    Recall Jaune didnt have his awoken before he came to beacon Pyrrha did it so it takes someone with Semblance to awaken someone elses. Most likely it was the Maidens who awoke the first Semblances and it went from there.
    Neo and Roman are most likely former Hunters or had theirs awoken by Hunters on the Bad side of things like Qrow mentions in his Short Skirt story.

    Most likely 90% of the criminal element does not have semblance and the 10% that do become Hunter issues REALLY quickly.
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    Most people don't have their Aura unlocked. Semblance takes some level of training/experience to unlock, as displayed by Jaune. So the number of Aura users might be 10% or something, while the number of Aura users who can access their Semblance might be even lower.

    Other than that, I agree with you. Law enforcement hasn't broken down because Semblances that can aid a person in crime like Emerald's are so rare that they don't really cause much of an effect overall... until someone with ambition like Cinder gets her hands on them.
     
    Hey guys, remember two or three years ago when people were complaining about RWBY basically being a high school anime when the trailers were all epic, bombastic action?

    ...I think we're finally getting the show that those people were expecting.
     
    skaianDestiny said:
    You have a citation on that?
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    For what? That most people don't have their Aura unlocked? We know for a fact that Jaune didn't, and it would defy all logic for him not to if everyone's Aura was unlocked.

    Or are you talking about Semblance? Only a handful of people who ever fight actually use their Semblance, which either means that they can't use them or that their Semblance isn't cost-effective in a fight. Either way, it helps prove my point.

    The percentages were just to make a point and I have no way of knowing whether or not they're accurate.
     
    Leingod said:
    Personally, I think that Penny entered some kind of shut-down mode, likely to preserve power or deal with the catastrophic damage she just took. We finally see her creator/father (who by the way kind of looks like Dr. Light, from behind at least), and he's just kind of... clenching his hand on a chair. Doesn't even say anything. That kind of reaction doesn't strike me as "Penny's dead," not from a guy who Penny described as being "very sweet," which implies some level of affection. Similar with Ironwood. Ironwood's not heartless (hah), if he thought Penny was dead, I can't help but think he'd have had a stronger reaction than he did.
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    Agreed. Penny's a robot-girl. And while it would be entirely possible for her to be permanently killed I would expect it to take something a bit more dramatic than mere dismemberment. She may not make another appearance this season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her back on her feet, combat ready, and sporting a slightly different look and weapon set next season.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    Agreed. Penny's a robot-girl. And while it would be entirely possible for her to be permanently killed I would expect it to take something a bit more dramatic than mere dismemberment. She may not make another appearance this season, but I wouldn't be surprised to see her back on her feet, combat ready, and sporting a slightly different look and weapon set next season.
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    *sighs*
    Cinder's plan has come to fruition, it seems. At this rate, I won't be surprised if Vale, Vacuo and Mistral end up declaring war on Atlas.

    RIP Penny. o7
     
    revanninja said:
    I know they make it clear in several ep such as through Cardin Roman and Wiess and I am trying to find the livestream with it but I have work so dont count on me finding it easily unless someone else knows.
    I remeber reading it on the wiki as a numbered source but I dont recall which page and the obvious White fang Faunus pages didnt bring it up though it does mention the discrimination and gives the overall.
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    Sorry I wasn't clear, I know its meant to be indicated by the events described, though Weiss always feels a bit more like a mixed bag in my mind, but don't stress about the livestream, I'd like to know but its not 100% necessary or anything.
     
    revanninja said:
    Most likely 90% of the criminal element does not have semblance and the 10% that do become Hunter issues REALLY quickly.
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    Honestly I'd expect it to be more than that. Or at least for the number of aura wielders to rapidly increase once you step outside of petty crime thieves and pickpockets. If all you need to awaken a person's aura is another person with an aura, it creates a niche for awakened criminals to sell that service to others.

    On the other hand I wouldn't expect most criminals to have developed their semblance simply because it requires a great deal of investment in time and training. Real life example, a criminal wielding a gun, but not necessarily using proper grip, aim, tactics, etc, to use it effectively. Because the criminal element in RWBY normally has no more interest tangling with Huntsman and Huntresses than the real world criminal element has tangling with the army.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    Honestly I'd expect it to be more than that. Or at least for the number of aura wielders to rapidly increase once you step outside of petty crime thieves and pickpockets. If all you need to awaken a person's aura is another person with an aura, it creates a niche for awakened criminals to sell that service to others.

    On the other hand I wouldn't expect most criminals to have developed their semblance simply because it requires a great deal of investment in time and training. Real life example, a criminal wielding a gun, but not necessarily using proper grip, aim, tactics, etc, to use it effectively. Because the criminal element in RWBY normally has no more interest tangling with Huntsman and Huntresses than the real world criminal element has tangling with the army.
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    We don't actually know how difficult it is to awaken someone's Aura. Pyrrha's able to do it with no consequence other than being winded for a few seconds, but that's Pyrrha.
     
    Leingod said:
    We don't actually know how difficult it is to awaken someone's Aura. Pyrrha's able to do it with no consequence other than being winded for a few seconds, but that's Pyrrha.
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    On the one hand. It's Pyrrha. A prodigy of her generation.

    On the other hand. It's Pyrrha. A half trained Huntress.

    That just means the ones who can do it quickly and repeatedly would be that much more in demand. Like I said, I still suspect the number of people who are adept at wielding a semblance is miniscule outside the Hunter/Huntress roster.

    . . .

    The more I think about it. Having a plot Arc where Jaune seems to be connected to Roman and his gang ending in the reveal that Jaune paid to get his semblance activated by a rogue Huntsmen would have been a lot more interesting than the school bullying arc we got.
     
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    I mean, its not like we see any mooks getting fought who don't have Aura, so.....
     
    I tend to imagine criminals with Aura aren't super uncommon if they are part of a gang but that the "best" tend to be at the Malachite or Juniors level, strong but seemingly without Semblances or anything beyond being strong, fast, durable and good in a scrap. Roman and Neo represent a league quite a few levels above most criminals in my mind.
     
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    Triggerhappy said:
    On the one hand. It's Pyrrha. A prodigy of her generation.

    On the other hand. It's Pyrrha. A half trained Huntress.

    That just means the ones who can do it quickly and repeatedly would be that much more in demand. Like I said, I still suspect the number of people who are adept at wielding a semblance is miniscule outside the Hunter/Huntress roster.

    . . .

    The more I think about it. Having a plot Arc where Jaune seems to be connected to Roman and his gang ending in the reveal that Jaune paid to get his semblance activated by a rogue Huntsmen would have been a lot more interesting than the school bullying arc we got.
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    <_<
    >_>
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    You didnt get this from me you hear.
    Also Neo for the win.

    We also have to take into consideration it was Jaune.
    Pyrrha says when she unlocks it he has a lot of Aura we dont know if that plays a part in how easy or hard it is to unlock Aura.

    And Aura unlocking is probably expensive so most people cant afford to do it since Aura is like someone buying a small tank or like weapons.

    As for the Semblance most likely its one of those things that you not only have to figure it out but also learn how to use it in a fight. Weiss is a prime example of that her runes are powerful but its clear she put a LOT of work into learning how to use them properly. We also have to take into consideration that Semblances can be reactive to certain events like Nora being able to empower herself with Lightning and on the recent livestream which i actually got a chance to watch they said not all semblances are obvious some are on all the time but go unnoticed or can only work in limited situations IE Nora.
    So Semblance isnt just work its also getting lucky with something you can even use in the first place.
     
    revanninja said:
    Pyrrha says when she unlocks it he has a lot of Aura we dont know if that plays a part in how easy or hard it is to unlock Aura.
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    Given she was willing to unlock his Aura before knowing he apparently had a lot of it I find the suggestion that she would have struggled with anyone less "powerful" unlikely as I doubt she'd have tried if it was such an unlikely thing.
     
    Welp, they're fucked.
    I can only see one possibility of the good lot coming out on top, but it's probably not gonna happen.
     
    Zam said:
    Given she was willing to unlock his Aura before knowing he apparently had a lot of it I find the suggestion that she would have struggled with anyone less "powerful" unlikely as I doubt she'd have tried if it was such an unlikely thing.
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    Have you seen Pyrrha? She would have tried its how she is its WHY Ozpin picked her.

    Now I do admit we dont know if it played any part with unlocking which is what I was saying we only know of Jaune's and one example does not make it the rule unless we are told its bog standard and we havent been given a single hint.
    But we do have to acknowledge that outside of Hunters Aura isnt known since Jaune didnt even know about it so the common citizen most likely isnt aware since at that time Jaune's knowledge was as much as a normal off the street persons.

    So we then need to ask WHY is it the citizens arent being given this tool that could save their lives in case of grim attacks. And in reference to the police question if everyone has it then the police are just as empowered as the criminals so status quo is kept.

    There must be some reason for it. Is it the lifestyle of a hunter keeps your body in the condition to safely use the Aura? or something else? We just dont know.
     
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