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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Conundrum said:
    Theory: Schnee semblance is unique as it is a result of Cinder experimentation in the past, Neo is the latest successful subject of her experiments.
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    If I recall Neo was introduced as Roman's second in command and counterpart as opposed to a creation of Cinder's working on loan for him so I don't think its too likely she was made by Cinder unless Neo herself is not aware of it.

    Azecreth said:
    Exactly. And the reason Neo basically went untouched in her fight with Yang is because she was manipulating the distance that Yang had to throw a punch across, meaning that while it looked close, it was actually a lot farther. It's genius!
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    That sounds amazing.
     
    Zam said:
    If I recall Neo was introduced as Roman's second in command and counterpart as opposed to a creation of Cinder's working on loan for him so I don't think its too likely she was made by Cinder unless Neo herself is not aware of it.
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    Maybe not Cinder but it's entirely possible Neo has been enhanced in some other way by someone else. Not guaranteed mind you but it would fit with the creepy voiceless girl thing she's got going on.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    That would, as I said, be like learning that Ruby not only generates petals when she speed-bursts, but that the blood of anything she kills turns into more petals (as in the Red Trailer) which somehow increase her own power.
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    That may actually be possible.

    I'm currently pretty basically guessing at this point, but it was stated that Semblances can evolve/grow/develop. Maybe Ruby will actually get "Enemies = Petals = Power" later on and the Schnee Semblance gets all of its development front loaded.

    Or maybe I'm wrong and one person's Semblance gives them super speed and another's is hereditary wizardry and life's just unfair.
     
    Nervaqus987 said:
    Or maybe I'm wrong and one person's Semblance gives them super speed and another's is hereditary wizardry and life's just unfair.
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    That's more or less what I figured to be honest. Glinda and Cinder both wield magic in a way that is very different from the majority of combi-weapon huntresses and hunters. Just add the Schnee family to the list.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    That's more or less what I figured to be honest. Glinda and Cinder both wield magic in a way that is very different from the majority of combi-weapon huntresses and hunters. Just add the Schnee family to the list.
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    Eh.

    Cinder's stuff is Dust Woven clothing, rather than a Semblance or whatever. Hypothetically speaking, anyone with the same training and gear she has would be able to do all of the stuff she's been seen to do.

    Glynda's a better example since she's got some massively powerful telekinesis.
     
    Azecreth said:
    Exactly. And the reason Neo basically went untouched in her fight with Yang is because she was manipulating the distance that Yang had to throw a punch across, meaning that while it looked close, it was actually a lot farther. It's genius!
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    And that's how she deflected Yang's first punch? Manipulated space to push Yang back?


    Also, anyone think that the caterpillar at Weiss's training session was a metaphor for far she is from becoming a butterfly?
     
    Conundrum said:
    Glynda is also constantly using her semblance to fix everyone's mess so her skill and power with it should eclipse almost everyone else.
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    If we take Ozpin's self depreciation seriously, and I don't doubt he has some doozie mistakes in his past, than she's probably had plenty of experience with a master.
     
    One theory for why the Schnee family semblance is so versatile is the fact that unlike pretty much every other semblance they don't have to puzzle out and experiment to unlock it's true potential, previous generations have already done that.
     
    So on the subject of the Coco/Yatsu vs Merc/Emerald fight we should probably look at the strategy each team had going on. Now assuming that the contestants would normally only know who they are fighting just before the match odds are you'd choose a general tactic that can handle a wide range of enemy strategies but is flexible enough to adapt to whatever terrain you end up with.

    So with these in mind I think that it's fairly obvious that team coffee's idea was mainly focused around Coco setting up with her mini-gun to pelt the enemy positions while Yatsu acted as the wall keeping them off of her.

    Now lets move on to Merc and Emerald. Unlike the others they knew well ahead of time who their opponents will be and odds are they have been gathering info on the strengths and weaknesses of all the top tier students at Beacon (like they were shown doing with Pyrrha last season). It is also not too much of a stretch to assume that since Cinder has control of the matchmaking system then she also has access to whatever determines the terrain as well.

    This means that even before you factor in talent, specialty and experience team evil has a huge advantage of being able to tailor their plans specifically to taking out Coco and Yatsu.
     
    Sinsystems said:
    So on the subject of the Coco/Yatsu vs Merc/Emerald fight we should probably look at the strategy each team had going on. Now assuming that the contestants would normally only know who they are fighting just before the match odds are you'd choose a general tactic that can handle a wide range of enemy strategies but is flexible enough to adapt to whatever terrain you end up with.

    So with these in mind I think that it's fairly obvious that team coffee's idea was mainly focused around Coco setting up with her mini-gun to pelt the enemy positions while Yatsu acted as the wall keeping them off of her.

    Now lets move on to Merc and Emerald. Unlike the others they knew well ahead of time who their opponents will be and odds are they have been gathering info on the strengths and weaknesses of all the top tier students at Beacon (like they were shown doing with Pyrrha last season). It is also not too much of a stretch to assume that since Cinder has control of the matchmaking system then she also has access to whatever determines the terrain as well.

    This means that even before you factor in talent, specialty and experience team evil has a huge advantage of being able to tailor their plans specifically to taking out Coco and Yatsu.
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    Indeed, and that Coco seems poorly equipped for fighting hunters basically sealed it with the terrain and their enemy knowing what they did. Since Coco needs to be stationary to fire it seems without Yatsuhashi to keep enemies at bay with the mobility a lot of hunters show she is at a massive disadvantage. Depending on her skill with that bag even Pyrrha could potentially easily defeat Coco if her shield holds while she closes or if she uses her semblance to throw of Coco's aim.
     
    Conundrum said:
    Indeed, and that Coco seems poorly equipped for fighting hunters basically sealed it with the terrain and their enemy knowing what they did. Since Coco needs to be stationary to fire it seems without Yatsuhashi to keep enemies at bay with the mobility a lot of hunters show she is at a massive disadvantage. Depending on her skill with that bag even Pyrrha could potentially easily defeat Coco if her shield holds while she closes or if she uses her semblance to throw of Coco's aim.
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    Coco seemed to be using much weaker ammunition/less aura empowering in this fight though, likely to avoid accidentally killing someone. Not saying she could have beat Emerald in a serious fight but she's probably a lot more difficult to deal with if she's not holding back.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    And that's how she deflected Yang's first punch? Manipulated space to push Yang back?
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    That sounds like it has potential to be one of the more dangerous ones, at least in theory.

    Also, anyone think that the caterpillar at Weiss's training session was a metaphor for far she is from becoming a butterfly
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    Probably. Why else would it decide to inspect the ethereal blade made out of a person's soul?
     
    Mook said:
    Coco seemed to be using much weaker ammunition/less aura empowering in this fight though, likely to avoid accidentally killing someone. Not saying she could have beat Emerald in a serious fight but she's probably a lot more difficult to deal with if she's not holding back.
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    I doubt she is using weaker ammo so much as the tree and terrain is dust or dust reinforced. Ruby can crack walls with the air pressure from her movement so if a first year can do that they need to make sure the terrain survives the fight.
     
    Conundrum said:
    I doubt she is using weaker ammo so much as the tree and terrain is dust or dust reinforced. Ruby can crack walls with the air pressure from her movement so if a first year can do that they need to make sure the terrain survives the fight.
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    Why? Lots of terrain gets destroyed in these fights. The point of having biomes isn't to have an unbreakable battleground its to simulate real terrain with the upsides and downsides that provides. Fighting on ice means you can slip and fall but you can also skate. Grass provides cover but is easily destroyed. Geyers can hurt you if you don't watch where you're going but you can also use them to hurt the enemy. Lighting storms can be dangerous but if you control lightning in some way it becomes an advantage. Etc.
     
    Mook said:
    Why? Lots of terrain gets destroyed in these fights. The point of having biomes isn't to have an unbreakable battleground its to simulate real terrain with the upsides and downsides that provides. Fighting on ice means you can slip and fall but you can also skate. Grass provides cover but is easily destroyed. Geyers can hurt you if you don't watch where you're going but you can also use them to hurt the enemy. Lighting storms can be dangerous but if you control lightning in some way it becomes an advantage. Etc.
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    Because what point is terrain if at the start of the fight someone removes everything above knee level?
     
    Conundrum said:
    Because what point is terrain if at the start of the fight someone removes everything above knee level?
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    You mean like what Coco did to the grass? The terrain is there to be terrain. If a student is actually powerful enough to completely destroy all of it hooray for them if there actually is a point in destroying the terrain. Note that there were trees in the JNPR match which Nora destroyed like half of with her alpha strike. It seems far simpler to that Coco is using weaker ammunition or imbuing her bullets with less aura or whatever than that the trees are indestructible when we've seen the terrain be destroyed on multiple occasions.
     
    Mook said:
    You mean like what Coco did to the grass? The terrain is there to be terrain. If a student is actually powerful enough to completely destroy all of it hooray for them if there actually is a point in destroying the terrain. Note that there were trees in the JNPR match which Nora destroyed like half of with her alpha strike. It seems far simpler to that Coco is using weaker ammunition or imbuing her bullets with less aura or whatever than that the trees are indestructible when we've seen the terrain be destroyed on multiple occasions.
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    Nora was super charged, launched an alpha strike, and destroyed a handful of trees. She did not destroy anywhere near half, only the ones in the immediate blast radius of her super charged attack where she expended all her ammunition in on attack.

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    When Yatsuhashi struck the concrete in Breach it fragmented and was blown apart by the overpressure of his swing. The terrain of the arena when struck by what appears to be an even more powerful blow cracks,


     
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    Conundrum said:
    When Yatsuhashi struck the concrete in Breach it fragmented and was blown apart by the overpressure of his swing. The terrain of the arena when struck by what appears to be an even more powerful blow cracks
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    Of course it only cracked. The stone was probably harder than concrete, and it was filled with underground holes and water rather than being one solid layer of concrete poured over a harder, more solid foundation of stone.


    Conundrum said:
    Glynda is also constantly using her semblance to fix everyone's mess so her skill and power with it should eclipse almost everyone else.
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    Glynda's one of those people who can base an entire fighting style around just her Semblance. That also makes it easy to practice.
     
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