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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Matrix Dragon said:
    Nah. He just decided he really liked killing people and grooming young girls.
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    Can't tell if this is facetious or not. Amity Arena DOES mention that in his bio that he was idealistic before the branding, and the fact that they make a big deal of showing the SDC logo shows that it clearly had an effect.

    He's unquestionably an evil piece of shit and an abuser, but you know the saying about how monsters aren't born they're made. As mentioned earlier Cinder clearly took on the habits of HER Abuser (the Madam).

    Black feminists have described how many Black men who were abused and treated like shit by racists would become tyrants at home because it gave them some small measure of control they usually lacked.
     
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    LordYam said:
    Can't tell if this is facetious or not. Amity Arena DOES mention that in his bio that he was idealistic before the branding, and the fact that they make a big deal of showing the SDC logo shows that it clearly had an effect.

    He's unquestionably an evil piece of shit and an abuser, but you know the saying about how monsters aren't born they're made. As mentioned earlier Cinder clearly took on the habits of HER Abuser (the Madam)
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    And Adam was surrounded by people who encouraged and supported him, including Blakes parents. He chose to betray them all, gaslight Blake into believing his actions were her fault, murder several people who trusted him, try to murder several others, and generally be a horrible douchenozzle. The brand was nothing more than an exuse he'd pull out to try and justify his actions.
     
    So you honestly think that it didn't have any effect on him? Trauma can fuck people up.

    Not disputing he's an evil abusive asshole but to say that the Branding didn't have any effect on his sanity at all is questionable at best. Not everyone overcomes their trauma even with love and support.

    If anything he and Cinder couldn't let go of what happened and clung to their anger, which festered and rotted them from the inside. Salem couldn't let go either.
     
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    LordYam said:
    So you honestly think that it didn't have any effect on him? Trauma can fuck people up.

    Not disputing he's an evil abusive asshole but to say that the Branding didn't have any effect on his sanity at all is questionable at best. Not everyone overcomes their trauma even with love and support.
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    Cool Story, still murder. There's a reason we didn't see his face until the end. Because in the grand scheme, it didn't matter.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Well it's not like being subtle about abusive assholes worked.
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    Not just the asshole thing
    the "Likes Yang" and "Less toxic relationship" things, because to this day people still call the relationship between Blake and Yang toxic, bad, and should not work. In part because they really hate Blake, and because they have yet to get over Blake running from her team on 2 occasions, her self outing in volume 1 and her running home after The Fall.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    Cool Story, still murder. There's a reason we didn't see his face until the end. Because in the grand scheme, it didn't matter.
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    That's a dismissive line of reasoning; it could also be because they wanted to have a dramatic reveal (again, RT did say that it impacted him whether you want to admit it or not).

    It's good that RT is hammering home that's an abusive asshole; god knows fans like Eruption Fang need to be shut up. I loved it when Yang and Blake double teamed and killed the SOB. But "cool story still murder" is the same kind of bullshit that most conservative judges and prosecutors use to ignore that most people on Death Row who commit murder are influenced by the trauma they endured rather than just popping out of the womb evil.

    Before anyone accuses me of stanning for an abuser. My line of thought is "what happened to him was fucked up. Adam's still an asshole who needs to die."
     
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    LordYam said:
    That's a dismissive line of reasoning; it could also be because they wanted to have a dramatic reveal (again, RT did say that it impacted him whether you want to admit it or not).

    It's good that RT is hammering home that's an abusive asshole; god knows fans like Eruption Fang need to be shut up. I loved it when Yang and Blake double teamed and killed the SOB. But "cool story still murder" is the same kind of bullshit that most conservative judges and prosecutors use to ignore that most people on Death Row who commit murder are influenced by the trauma they endured rather than just popping out of the womb evil.
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    True enough. But the asshole that was Adam by the start of the series? Monster. Nothing more. You can argue trauma all you want, but in the end? He chose his path. He chose to gaslight Blake. Chose to unleash Grimm on civilian targets. Chose to murder Sienna. Chose to order the murder of Blakes parents. Chose to order her brought to him. Chose to murder his own people for daring to criticise him. Chose to stalk Blake for weeks on end, waiting until she was alone, to try and kill her. She gave him every chance to walk away at the end of two seperate volumes. He chose more violence.

    Every time, he actively made a choice. So while I might feel bad about the boy he once was, overall? No.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    True enough. But the asshole that was Adam by the start of the series? Monster. Nothing more. You can argue trauma all you want, but in the end? He chose his path. He chose to gaslight Blake. Chose to unleash Grimm on civilian targets. Chose to murder Sienna. Chose to order the murder of Blakes parents. Chose to order her brought to him. Chose to murder his own people for daring to criticise him. Chose to stalk Blake for weeks on end, waiting until she was alone, to try and kill her. She gave him every chance to walk away at the end of two seperate volumes. He chose more violence.

    Every time, he actively made a choice. So while I might feel bad about the boy he once was, overall? No.
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    That's a fair stance to have and one I can agree with.
     
    Pugman said:
    another thought

    We and Ruby had to lose Penny so we could build to Ruby talking to Salem in similar terms.

    Salem got Ozma. She was happy. But then Ozma died, and she could not stand it. She did all she could think of to get him back, and for a time she did have him back, but in the end she lost him.

    Ruby had Penny. She was happy. Then everything went wrong and Penny's life was in the balance. Ruby did all she could to keep her alive, and for a time it worked, but in the end she lost her once more.

    Ruby has lost. The person she wanted to protect is dead. There is no happy ending for them in that regard. So now in Volume 9 we will see how Ruby handles it, and from here Ruby will grow and come closer to an answer for both Salem and The Gods.
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    And if you think this isn't just going to amount to a Jaune plot I have a bridge to sell you.
     
    excalibur2008 said:
    And if you think this isn't just going to amount to a Jaune plot I have a bridge to sell you.
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    Right, because so much of the show's plot has disproportionately focused on Jaune, right?

    The show has spent plenty of time looking at the relationships between the girls I don't see why all that'd be ignored to focus on Jaune in Volume 9.
     
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    excalibur2008 said:
    And if you think this isn't just going to amount to an Oscar plot I have a bridge to sell you.
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    Let's be honest here, Jaune quietly took a back seat recently.

    EDIT: This was made with the assumption that you meant "Ruby is going to tell Salem about the birds and the bee's knees and she'll just accept it when killing her own children didn't work" and not the bit about Volume 9.
     
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    excalibur2008 said:
    And then came roaring back in the finale of Volume 8 while Ruby got thrown into a void like an after thought.
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    ... Shit, I forgot about that part.

    Yeah, logically, Oscar would be the one to talk sense into Salem but with that in mind... Jaune has a good chance of talking Salem to death.

    Humorous twist: he hits on her and out of a pure desire to be spared from his catfishing, accepts the sweet embrace of death and dies. RWBY collectively decide it'd be best for it to be that they got Salem to accept life and death rather than what actually happened to preserve what little dignity Salem had left.
     
    excalibur2008 said:
    Yeah no or did you forget Wiess and Yang and Ruby and Blake only interact YEARS INTO THE SHOW.
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    That still doesn't mean their plotlines were neglected in favour of Jaune's or that their connection wasn't important in the story.

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    And then came roaring back in the finale of Volume 8 while Ruby got thrown into a void like an after thought.
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    That is such a disingenuous take. Ruby wasn't an afterthought at any point just because we got a cliffhanger ending. Jaune getting screentime doesn't mean his plotline is taking centre stage.
     
    CatOnTheWeb said:
    Jaune: has two scenes where he's part of the emotional focus in all of V8.

    You: OMG HE'S GOING TO TAKE CENTER STAGE AND HOG THE ATTENTION!
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    I'm genuinely glad I go mostly dormant in the off season because shit like this is exhausting, and I feel bad for all of the people in this thread that have to regularly deal with it. We get it, you don't like the show, you'll never like the show, just stop screaming in our ears about it, you'll hurt your voice.

    Anyway, Grimm Campaign's been really fucking good this season. @Mook, what do you think of Vermillion?
     
    Nidhoggr said:
    I'm genuinely glad I go mostly dormant in the off season because shit like this is exhausting, and I feel bad for all of the people in this thread that have to regularly deal with it. We get it, you don't like the show, you'll never like the show, just stop screaming in our ears about it, you'll hurt your voice.
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    It just gets me that people still contend that Jaune is stealing the spotlight despite having like 4 lines in two volumes because people are holding a grudge from volume 2.
     
    excalibur2008 said:
    She gets dumped in the void while Winter ands Jaune get to fight Cinder at the climax
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    She had the entire fucking episode before that focused on her. Like holy shit dude it's an ensemble cast, other characters are allowed to do things in the show.

    excalibur2008 said:
    Yeah and is the only one in the will likely be focused on in Volume 9 party that was involved in it.
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    This makes no sense. I don't mean the logic behind it. I mean you clearly typed this with your eyes closed, I have no idea what you are even saying here.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    it's an ensemble cast
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    Funny how that always gets used to justify shafting RWBY for focus in favor of whatever male characters the writers are obsessed with this Volume.

    Nevermind how it shows that Jaune is so one note they have to rehash a plot he just finished just to justify him getting focus.

    VolantRedX said:
    This makes no sense. I don't mean the logic behind it. I mean you clearly typed this with your eyes closed, I have no idea what you are even saying here.
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    The writers already said Volume 9 is getting a detour which means sticking to the void dimension and given the amount of focus on Jaune when Penny died you just know that much like Volume 4 most of the emotional weigh on what happened with the focus group is going to him.
     
    You're being disingenuous my man. He also got sent into the void and given how Ruby busted her ass off to try and save her she'll also get focus.

    You don't provide any evidence for your claims; just bitter whining
     
    Alright, so, Death Battle.

    Psyga315 said:
    Don't forget the Thunder Spears.
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    So, I was correct in that they would be able to shatter Blake's aura given that they are literally TNT made to break the Armored Titan's plates. However, it's the "she can keep up with opponents who could dodge lightning" bit that gets me.

    Since the only time Blake has ever fought Mercury was in Volume 5... Which was all off-screen. Why does this matter? Well... Because it's all done off screen, we don't actually know how the battle turned out. The only factors we have are that Ruby's army outnumbered Team Rocket by about three times. As such, we don't know who actually fought Mercury and as such, we can't take that one off-screen battle as gospel since there's no actual useful information. This is literally Death Battle going "take our word for it". What's funnier is that we have seen her outright dodge lightning via the Feilong and yet they decide to use a fight that didn't even happen on the screen as proof that Mikasa lost, despite everything else being pretty solid such as having more superpowers or more "fuel" for said powers. Basically putting Superman up against a SWAT officer.
     
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