RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Jaune was the one who actually had to mercy kill her. He's going to get SOME focus but Ruby is probably going to get the main focus. Other characters have had focus at various points (Yang got a large amount this volume, Ruby got some last volume).

Ruby also got plenty of arc beats in this volume and the last, not to mention vol 6. Jaune also got very little focus prior to the big finale, so saying he's just going to hog things is unfounded.

You clearly don't like the show, which is your prerogative. Yet you're being condescending about it
 
Funny how that always gets used to justify shafting RWBY for focus in favor of whatever male characters the writers are obsessed with this Volume.

Nevermind how it shows that Jaune is so one note they have to rehash a plot he just finished just to justify him getting focus.
"CRWBY are the real sexists" was not a take I was expecting to see today. I mean like I'm not sure how you explain having literally entire volumes where most of the plot and focus is on RWBY. Like this entire last volume was all about Ruby's emotional state.

The writers already said Volume 9 is getting a detour which means sticking to the void dimension and given the amount of focus on Jaune when Penny died you just know that much like Volume 4 most of the emotional weigh on what happened with the focus group is going to him.
Jaune was practically a non-entity in volume 4. He has one scene where he's the main focus and like literally nothing else in the show is about him. Yang and Weiss both have far more going on emotionally as well as actual arcs that get resolved and grow them as characters.

Because Ruby got so much focus when Pyrrha died /s.

Nevermind how for the past 6 years the big emotional arc beats always seem to go to a member of JNPR.

She...did though? Like a significant part of that entire volume was about her dealing with the emotional fallout with Beacon, same with Yang and Wiess. Blake then got most of volume 5 as her focus. Hell all of this last volume was about Ruby dealing with having the weight of the world on her despite only being 17 and not really trained for this. It sort of feels like you're making shit up in order to try and attack the show for things that didn't happen. The whole reason characters like Nora and Ren are even getting focus during these volumes is because the show is an ensemble cast. They're just as important to develop as anyone else. In fact, it's a bit over due to have Nora and Ren actually get screen time to develop their characters.
 
but Ruby is probably going to get the main focus. Other characters have had focus at various points

Ruby didn't get focus last time Penny died and was pretty meh about her turning out not to be dead what makes you think thats going to change

(Yang got a large amount this volume, Ruby got some last volume).

Yang barely did anything outside of yelling at Salem and having an argument with Ruby she went back on just to separate the teams being Jaune and Ren's emotional support doesn't count.

Ruby spent 7 being a bordline background character except to push the plot forward while Oscar actually dealt with the Ironwood issues then got some bullshit scene with oscar where the writers tried to pretend Ruby actually was that involved in things

Ruby also got plenty of arc beats in this volume and the last, not to mention vol 6. Jaune also got very little focus prior to the big finale, so saying he's just going to hog things is unfounded.

Ruby sat around angsting so everyone could tell her how great a leader she was while occasionally giving her empty ass politician speeches and the occasional push the plot scene so they can pretend they are giving her focus.

Jaune literally got the pay off to the Salem angst arc by making it about dealing with Pyrrha's death for the 800th fucking time and then set things up in 8 to give him more dead red head angst.

I'm not sure how you explain having literally entire volumes where most of the plot and focus is on RWBY.

That only really happened in Volume 2 and the first half of Volume 6, Volume 3 was on Pyrrha and Jaune by extension, Volume 4 was Ren and Jaune, Volume 5 was mostly about Raven, Volume 7 was more on Ren, Ironwood and Oscar, and Volume 8 was Oscar, Ren, and Penny with Jaune getting the big angst payoff.

Like this entire last volume was all about Ruby's emotional state.

Ruby angsted for a bit until someone told her she was great and then she got over it like she's been doing since Volume 4.

like a significant part of that entire volume was about

Ren's issues and Jaune angsting over Pyrrha's death Ruby gets a conversation and is then totally over it.

And I frankly I've gone through too many RWBY fic rec threads around these parts that seem just frequently turn into pages about JAUNE FICS to think this isn't anything more than just wanted the show to be about him.
 
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Jaune literally got the pay off to the Salem angst arc by making it about dealing with Pyrrha's death for the 800th fucking time and then set things up in 8 to give him more dead red head angst.
If I remember correctly Yang is the one who bitches out Salem in the scene these characters actually meet. I don't remember Jaune saying anything.

That only really happened in Volume 2 and the first half of Volume 6, Volume 3 was on Pyrrha and Jaune by extension, Volume 4 was Ren and Jaune, Volume 5 was mostly about Raven, Volume 7 was more on Ren, Ironwood and Oscar, and Volume 8 was Oscar, Ren, and Penny with Jaune getting the big angst payoff.
Volume 5 had a ton of focus on Blake and Yang. Like Raven's entire story is just an extension of Yang's. Volume 4 was all about Weiss leaving her abusive home after realizing just how awful all the things she held up as important really were and just how evil her father was. It was also the Volume that had Yang dealing with being left behind by everyone and losing her arm. Ren had like an episode, and Jaune had one scene. Volume 7 had like dick to do with Ren at all. Ironwood was the antagonist of that volume and Oscar was more in the background. It was mostly about Ruby trying to figure out just how much to trust Ironwood, Yang and Blake simply ignoring him, and setting up Volume 8. Volume 8 was literally all about Ruby's emotions. Like Oscar's role was "getting shot at and screaming a lot". He had very little actual impact or agency in the plot and nearly no arc.

Ruby angsted for a bit until someone told her she was great and then she got over it like she's been doing since Volume 4.
This enitre fucking volume was about how Ruby doesn't get over it but simply bottles it up. Like that's a very clear, very deliberate arc she goes through in this volume, with several moments where her emotions burst forth. That's like a core aspect of her character and much of the journey of these characters in this volume is realizing that Ruby isn't doing ok, that she's just hiding her feelings, and that they're failing to actually help her because of it. Like I really can't help you if you refuse to even think for a single second about what the characters are saying and doing beyond trying to find something to
 
Ruby didn't get focus last time Penny died and was pretty meh about her turning out not to be dead what makes you think thats going to change



Yang barely did anything outside of yelling at Salem and having an argument with Ruby she went back on just to separate the teams being Jaune and Ren's emotional support doesn't count.

Ruby spent 7 being a bordline background character except to push the plot forward while Oscar actually dealt with the Ironwood issues then got some bullshit scene with oscar where the writers tried to pretend Ruby actually was that involved in things



Ruby sat around angsting so everyone could tell her how great a leader she was while occasionally giving her empty ass politician speeches and the occasional push the plot scene so they can pretend they are giving her focus.

Jaune literally got the pay off to the Salem angst arc by making it about dealing with Pyrrha's death for the 800th fucking time and then set things up in 8 to give him more dead red head angst.



That only really happened in Volume 2 and the first half of Volume 6, Volume 3 was on Pyrrha and Jaune by extension, Volume 4 was Ren and Jaune, Volume 5 was mostly about Raven, Volume 7 was more on Ren, Ironwood and Oscar, and Volume 8 was Oscar, Ren, and Penny with Jaune getting the big angst payoff.



Ruby angsted for a bit until someone told her she was great and then she got over it like she's been doing since Volume 4.



Ren's issues and Jaune angsting over Pyrrha's death Ruby gets a conversation and is then totally over it.

And I frankly I've gone through too many RWBY fic rec threads around these parts that seem just frequently turn into pages about JAUNE FICS to think this isn't anything more than just wanted the show to be about him.

no he didn't. Yang has the most focus in the Salem scene so you're either not watching or outright lying.

If you don't like the show stay out of the thread; don't be condescending
 
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If I remember correctly Yang is the one who bitches out Salem in the scene these characters actually meet. I don't remember Jaune saying anything.

Volume 6 they didn't angst over what to do about Salem in 7 and 8.

Volume 5 had a ton of focus on Blake and Yang. Like Raven's entire story is just an extension of Yang's.

No Yang's story was an extension of Raven's. Most of raven's shit barely involved Yang until the end.

Volume 4 was all about Weiss leaving her abusive home after realizing just how awful all the things she held up as important really were and just how evil her father was.

Now thats a bunch of bullshit that ignores her being aware of that shit back in Volume 2 and she only leaves home becuase she wasn't the in line to get the company to fix it anymore.

It was also the Volume that had Yang dealing with being left behind by everyone and losing her arm.

She was mad at Blake and got over it and that was it.

Ren had like an episode, and Jaune had one scene.

Jaune had several scenes or did you forget he was the one confronting Qrow on the secrecy.

Volume 7 had like dick to do with Ren at all. Ironwood was the antagonist of that volume and Oscar was more in the background.

Pay no attention to the sub plot about Ren having issues that carries over into Volume 8. Or Ironwood pushing the plot, or Oscar actually trying to get him to tone it down.

It was mostly about Ruby trying to figure out just how much to trust Ironwood,

Not it wans;t she just treated him as untrustable while Oscar actually dealt with that.

Yang and Blake simply ignoring him,

Yang questioned things for like five seconds before going along with things and Blake showed she apparently learned fuck and all from dealing with Adam and the White Fang.

and setting up Volume 8. Volume 8 was literally all about Ruby's emotions.

No it wasn't. Angsting in a house until she get metaphorical head pats while everyone else does the heavy lifting is not the Volume being about her.

Like Oscar's role was "getting shot at and screaming a lot". He had very little actual impact or agency in the plot and nearly no arc.

For fuck's he literally got two of the villains to defect and actually took out Salem. What the fuck show where you watching?


VOLUME FUCKING 6 do you people actually watch this show. becuase I'm beginning to think you actually don't.
 
That's just dodging. You claimed Vol 8 had Jaune with Salem; he didn't. And antagonists move the plot forwards to.
 
Anyway, Grimm Campaign's been really fucking good this season. @Mook, what do you think of Vermillion?
Vermillion is fucking sick. I wouldn't be surprised if he is or is close to being a Qrow tier Huntsman/fighter. That ludicrous strength, speed and toughness, a powerful Dust imbued weapon, his intelligence and how quickly he can assess a situation and act in response, and that bullshit powerful Semblance copying Semblance that also doubles as a way of confirming what kind of Semblance other people have.... Man that guy is strong. :o
 
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Volume 6 they didn't angst over what to do about Salem in 7 and 8.
You're being really fucking unclear bro. Like "the Salem angst scene" doesn't scream to me "Season 6 moment by the statue". Especially since there's a lot more involving that character in the last two volumes and it's just not a descriptive explination.

No Yang's story was an extension of Raven's. Most of raven's shit barely involved Yang until the end.
Raven only exists in the story because she's relavent to Yang. Hell the last scene to feature Raven was literally Yang calling her out as a coward and her whole "live for yourself" mentality is just cowardice and failure in a nice blanket.

Now thats a bunch of bullshit that ignores her being aware of that shit back in Volume 2 and she only leaves home becuase she wasn't the in line to get the company to fix it anymore.
This is very wrong. First off she left because she couldn't stand the hypocrisy of Atlas anymore. Second, she wasn't aware of it back in Volume 2. Like she still considers herself part of Atlas and tries to defend it from time to time.

She was mad at Blake and got over it and that was it.
Characters confront and overcoming emotional issues is what is wildly known as "an arc". Characters are expect to go through them over the course of the story to grow and change rather than sit and stew and never change. This is literally writing 101.

Jaune had several scenes or did you forget he was the one confronting Qrow on the secrecy.
Yes, because I don't memorize each and every scene of the show and in the scheme of things it really didn't matter.

Pay no attention to the sub plot about Ren having issues that carries over into Volume 8. Or Ironwood pushing the plot, or Oscar actually trying to get him to tone it down.
So when Ren has an arc that carries over to multiple volumes it's fine, but when Ruby does the same you piss and moan about how she doesn't have enough focus on it? That's just not logical thinking. And Ironwood was pushing the plot, because he's the antagonist. That's what his role in the story is, to do things that the heroes then react to.

Yang questioned things for like five seconds before going along with things and Blake showed she apparently learned fuck and all from dealing with Adam and the White Fang.
Yang literally supports Robyn over Ironwood and I honestly don't know where you are going with this thing about Blake.

No it wasn't. Angsting in a house until she get metaphorical head pats while everyone else does the heavy lifting is not the Volume being about her.
Again she's literally having an arc in which she actually had to deal with the fallout of the choices she made and questioning her fitness to lead. Her being given support from her friends is how that arc starts to get resolved. Like you seem to expect characters to never change, grow or actually have support. Especially odd given that the entire point of her drama was feeling that she messed up and the people around her telling her that they supported her even as her actions may not have played out perfectly.

For fuck's he literally got two of the villains to defect and actually took out Salem. What the fuck show where you watching?
Ozpin took out Salem, not Oscar they're two different characters. Emerald also defected on her own because she has her own agency and had lost trust in Cinder.
 
Raven only exists in the story because she's relavent to Yang.

And yet being the Maiden and her running away from Salem have fuck and all to do with Yang.

This is very wrong. First off she left because she couldn't stand the hypocrisy of Atlas anymore. Second, she wasn't aware of it back in Volume 2.

She left after she wasn't the heiress anymore and she knew this shit way back in Volume 1 Blake even points out the SDC has a reputation for shadiness becuase of it Christ fixing that she was her stated motivation back in Volume 2.

Characters confront and overcoming emotional issues

She gets mad talks to Wiess and then is okay at the end. Thats a scene not an arc.

So when Ren has an arc that carries over to multiple volumes it's fine, but when Ruby does

And this is just trying to bullshit around the whole Ren had more focus complaint to making up a total bullshit stawman to avoid an argument.

Yang literally supports Robyn over Ironwood and I honestly don't know where you are going with this thing about Blake.

She points out that Ironwood didn't have a whole lot of options on how to deal with things and decides to just 180 and blab to Robyn becuase Blake does really get what being a Huntress actually means having to do some times and seems to have forgotten how implicitly trusting the last charismatic leader fighting for the oppressed resorting to less than legal actions ended for her.

Again she's literally having an arc in which she

Its her angsting until her friends tell her how great she is for the fifth fucking time.

Ozpin took out Salem, not Oscar they're two different characters. Emerald also defected on her own

Oscar is pretty much turning into Ozpin so that distinction is meaning less and less as time goes on and Emerald defected when she was dragged along by Hazel and was based on Oz mentioned Salem was going to kill everyone.

At this point its clear arguing with you is a waste of time.
 
excalibur, you do this same shit over on spacebattlers where you just grasp at straws for any possible angle to bash the heroes in any way.
why spread it here? is one forum not enough for you? -.-
please for the love of god, don't be like that here.


Vermillion is fucking sick. I wouldn't be surprised if he is or is close to being a Qrow tier Huntsman/fighter. That ludicrous strength, speed and toughness, a powerful Dust imbued weapon, his intelligence and how quickly he can assess a situation and act in response, and that bullshit powerful Semblance copying Semblance that also doubles as a way of confirming what kind of Semblance other people have.... Man that guy is strong. :o

hey Mook, since you follow the series closely, what have been some of the inspirations for the named characters so far.
All I know from the top of my head is that one of them is Hercules/The Nemian Lion.
 
Eeeh, that's what happens when you yeet the protagonists down into the pit and hand the big emotional moment over to Jaune. It tends to cause those sorts of kneejerk reactions, for good or ill.
The issue is of the characters in that scene it's really only in character for Jaune to mercy kill Penny. No one on RWBY would do it without it really messing up their characters (and it's likely you'd have endless takes from the hatedom about how it made said character "a murderer" so they'd rather have Jaune take that hit). Really the only other good option there would be for Emerald to have been the one in that situation so there'd be more drama with her and the team, but I can see why they didn't want to go in that direction.
 
Really the only other good option there would be for Emerald to have been the one in that situation so there'd be more drama with her and the team, but I can see why they didn't want to go in that direction.
That and Emerald isn't even at the Crossroads to off Penny in the first place. I didn't mind the person being Jaune, but I understand why people would think otherwise.
 
That and Emerald isn't even at the Crossroads to off Penny in the first place. I didn't mind the person being Jaune, but I understand why people would think otherwise.
I meant in the sense they could have set things up so Emerald was in that position and not Jaune, but there's a lot of reasons to not do that from a writing perspective.
 
The issue is of the characters in that scene it's really only in character for Jaune to mercy kill Penny. No one on RWBY would do it without it really messing up their characters (and it's likely you'd have endless takes from the hatedom about how it made said character "a murderer" so they'd rather have Jaune take that hit). Really the only other good option there would be for Emerald to have been the one in that situation so there'd be more drama with her and the team, but I can see why they didn't want to go in that direction.
It was extremely OOC for Jaune after the extended arc he had about finding confidence as a leader who keeps his team together and discovering his semblance was to empower and heal others.

The writers couldn't even figure out a way to show him coming around to the idea, they had to bs that his healing arbitrarily wasn't applicable for the scene and then have him speedrun the decision to get stabby offscreen. This is only getting a pass because of most of Jaune's fanbase have always seen him as a blank slate for them to plaster their edgy JINO over.
 
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