RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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Heh, you know, funny thing I noticed about Ambrosius's 'Vacuo Evacuation Pathway':

He is a shitty contractor who doesn't obey basic OSHA regulations like having GUARDRAILS as standard features. Seriously, he prides himself as an architect yet doesn't bother with 'user safety' as a key priority?

But anyways, with the benefit of Hindsight (TM), here's some of my ideas on how to fix Team RWBY's evac plan:

1) First off, the aforementioned GUARDRAILS for the platforms and pathways in the 'central location' dimension. Or, to cover all the bases, have it be like the 'Out of Bounds' barrier you'd find in video games where the player character can't go past. That way, nobody can fall off even if they actively tried. This prevents aerial fights like with Cinder verses Penny, but let's take that as a bonus safety feature.
2) Put signs above the Atlas-Mantle side of the Portal Doors that read "THIS WAY TO VACUO"/"EVACUATION ROUTE TO VACUO"/"[Insert Variant Phrase Here]". Saves RWBY and co. some time in convincing people to use the portals NOW.
3) Change Wiess's verbal slip of "One-way ticket to Vacuo" to "Portal does not close until EVERYONE in Atlas-Mantle are safely in Vacuo". This would enable two-way travel for RWBY and co. in case of trouble like with Cinder and co. And on that note...
4) Bar certain individuals from entering the portals, i.e.: Cinder, Watts, Neo, Jacques, Ironwood, and most importantly of all SALEM. I don't know why RWBY and co. didn't think to include that as a feature, since they know Cinder and co. are still alive and active somewhere within Atlas, so the possibility of them sneaking in with the civilians should've been considered...

In any case, with these four simple fixes, this entire clusterfuck could've been avoided and NO ONE WOULD DIE... EVEERRR...

:tongue::V
 
So has anyone pointed out that this volume has had repeated references to a story called "the girl who fell through the world"? Considering how often the fables of RWBY are plot-relevant we're likely going to see this other world. Place your bets if it's an Alice in Wonderland crazy place or if it's just the mirror universe.

If we doin a Wonderrland, I DEMAND A CHESIRE CAT CHARACTER!






Not exactly opposite, but it does seem like each Relic's vaults are a season out of touch. The Spring Vault has a desert (summer) and the Winter Vault has meadows (spring). So following that theme the Summer Vault should have... I don't know, a lake in the middle of a maple forest? I would assume it's a lake given that lots of people have been speculating for a while that the Sword of Destruction would be similar to Excalibur and the spirit the Lady of the Lake.

And presumably, the Fall Vault has a desolate tundra and presumably, the Crown's spirit is similar to the widow in the story of the Indecisive King. Hell, if we go by the theory that Jinn also doubles as short for Guinevere, I'd even wager the Crown's spirit is a Morgan le Fay analogue.

And you made me revisit this video
 
Gosh yes, all of this, right in the feels!

I really do not think you grasp what this situation means to an actual person, and not a souless automaton with no thoughts, feelings or need to process things.


Not being able to process grief does strange things to a thought process, also:


It'd be very funny to me if one of them, before jumping, decided to snag the staff of creation and just beeline it into the abyss so neither Cinder or Salem could ever get it and thus possibly lead to Cinder following them, unaware of the do not fall rule.

I mean given the fact his treatment of her in that situation is kind of what helped lead to this, I think him being snarky would be very undeserved and earn him a punch in the face.


The whole situation was ugly. There are cases of children being taken away from their abusers to save them...and the people who take them get arrested for kidnapping with the kids sent right back to the abuser. And the laws of Atlas are....well shit when you get down to it.

I still think Cinder's going to get a redemption arc at some point; she seemed genuinely upset to see Emerald with the good guys, and Watt's speech clearly effected her on some level since she's actually trying diplomacy rather than just being violent. If all of them get trapped in the other world I can see them each having to undergo spiritual growth and development; hell I can see this being the point where team RWBY finds out about Cinder's past, and Ruby would probably in spite of everything feel some pity, much to Cinder's annoyance.
 
The whole situation was ugly. There are cases of children being taken away from their abusers to save them...and the people who take them get arrested for kidnapping with the kids sent right back to the abuser. And the laws of Atlas are....well shit when you get down to it.

I still think Cinder's going to get a redemption arc at some point; she seemed genuinely upset to see Emerald with the good guys, and Watt's speech clearly effected her on some level since she's actually trying diplomacy rather than just being violent. If all of them get trapped in the other world I can see them each having to undergo spiritual growth and development; hell I can see this being the point where team RWBY finds out about Cinder's past, and Ruby would probably in spite of everything feel some pity, much to Cinder's annoyance.

I mean, if they end up meeting characters who have died, and Cinder is forced to be with them, then RWBY would meet Rhodes. That would be one way our heroes learn about Cinder's past, and she will be PISSED.
 
Personally I don't want Cinder with the gang. If someone must come, let it be Emerald. Not only would it be bonding time, but it'd give her a chance to shine as her own character. Cinder isn't really being set up for some emotional redemption arc, and we're already sort of filled on that bus.
 
Personally I don't want Cinder with the gang. If someone must come, let it be Emerald. Not only would it be bonding time, but it'd give her a chance to shine as her own character. Cinder isn't really being set up for some emotional redemption arc, and we're already sort of filled on that bus.

Sadly, Emerald has missed her chance for a Voidventure and is instead learning first hand why Anakin hates sand.
 
Personally I don't want Cinder with the gang. If someone must come, let it be Emerald. Not only would it be bonding time, but it'd give her a chance to shine as her own character. Cinder isn't really being set up for some emotional redemption arc, and we're already sort of filled on that bus.
Emerald's from Vacuo right? She may yet get a chance to shine.
 
Emerald's from Vacuo right? She may yet get a chance to shine.

I don't think we ever got a solid confirmation WHERE exactly Cinder picked up each from.
We just know she found Emerald on the streets of a modern looking city (animators probably used models they already had for the streets of Vale). We know they tracked down the house the Blacks were living in to be a lone home in a big open field and picked up Mercury. From there we know they were in the Kingdom of Vale to recruit Roman Torchwick. While still in the Kingdom they tried and failed to get Adam before the Black Trailer, then they ambushed Amber, and then went back and finally got Adam.
That's it.
 
I don't think we ever got a solid confirmation WHERE exactly Cinder picked up each from.
We just know she found Emerald on the streets of a modern looking city (animators probably used models they already had for the streets of Vale). We know they tracked down the house the Blacks were living in to be a lone home in a big open field and picked up Mercury. From there we know they were in the Kingdom of Vale to recruit Roman Torchwick. While still in the Kingdom they tried and failed to get Adam before the Black Trailer, then they ambushed Amber, and then went back and finally got Adam.
That's it.
We also don't know how long Emerald and Cinder were together before Merc joined the picture.
 
The whole situation was ugly. There are cases of children being taken away from their abusers to save them...and the people who take them get arrested for kidnapping with the kids sent right back to the abuser. And the laws of Atlas are....well shit when you get down to it.

I still think Cinder's going to get a redemption arc at some point; she seemed genuinely upset to see Emerald with the good guys, and Watt's speech clearly effected her on some level since she's actually trying diplomacy rather than just being violent. If all of them get trapped in the other world I can see them each having to undergo spiritual growth and development; hell I can see this being the point where team RWBY finds out about Cinder's past, and Ruby would probably in spite of everything feel some pity, much to Cinder's annoyance.
I'm not saying it wasn't, but given all the previous discourse I'm still not in favor of Rhode's getting to snark at Cinder.

Certainly possible to be sure.

Also speaking of Cinder, Emerald & Neo:


Also, potential void feels:
 
4) Bar certain individuals from entering the portals, i.e.: Cinder, Watts, Neo, Jacques, Ironwood, and most importantly of all SALEM. I don't know why RWBY and co. didn't think to include that as a feature, since they know Cinder and co. are still alive and active somewhere within Atlas, so the possibility of them sneaking in with the civilians should've been considered...
Errm How? some sort of barrier that identifies people to selectively stop? remember with ambrosius you either have to have an example or an explanation for him to make something.
 
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One of the criticisms I've seen of Cinder is that she's shallow. While I do think she's displayed more depth in the recent volumes she did feel rather shallow in Vols 1-3 (her default emotions are smug satisfaction or cruelty.)
 
One of the criticisms I've seen of Cinder is that she's shallow. While I do think she's displayed more depth in the recent volumes she did feel rather shallow in Vols 1-3 (her default emotions are smug satisfaction or cruelty.)

When she was pulling a Salem impersonation to manipulate people. It's fascinating how seeing Salem and her relationship to Cinder has put a lot of her characterisation in perspective. Disturbing perspective.
 
Errm How? Some sort of barrier that identifies people to selectively stop? Remember with Ambrosius you either have to have an example or an explanation for him to make something.

Something along those lines, I guess? Like a high-security door with a built-in ID scanner that goes "ACCESS DENIED" and refuses to open if you don't have the clearance to enter. Ooh, wait! Or perhaps like Atlas's hard-light barriers but made permeable to those registered to pass through it. So if Cinder tried to walk through it she'll just bang her head against the barrier but anyone else could walk right through it with no problem.

Hmm... closest analogue I can come up with is like the Aperture Science Emancipation Grill or the Combine Force Fields.
 
A Snow Angel On Their Shoulder


NOT WHAT WE MEANT!!


Worthy Quotes


*grabs book to double check* They right.....


BUT I feel it's kind of a little off. Because if the storm Starr could feel coming (be it with a weather-based semblance or Starr actually being the Summer Maiden) then that means when we see everyone witnessing Ruby's World Message and we see Sun and Neptune alone in the desert than that all as to somehow be happening right before the end of the book. And since no one commented on Ruby's ominous message in the epilogue, then it just doesn't line up to me.
Then again we do know that Vacuo's weather is as wild, dangerous, and unpredictable as anything else in the region.
 
One of the criticisms I've seen of Cinder is that she's shallow. While I do think she's displayed more depth in the recent volumes she did feel rather shallow in Vols 1-3 (her default emotions are smug satisfaction or cruelty.)
I think this is mostly people not being used to long form storytelling and expecting to get a motive rant filled with flashbacks within like, ten episodes of a characters introduction.

And how would the registry work, how does it determine whose registered will that cut out unregistered people, criminals, miners who aren't deemed citizens?

Credit for trying, but I rewatched that part to make sure, and that clip takes place entirely after the part I'm talking about. Yang's already vanished by the time that's happening. Many seconds later.
... I was talking about shock, mental processing, human reactions to surprising and gut churning events.
 
I think this is mostly people not being used to long form storytelling and expecting to get a motive rant filled with flashbacks within like, ten episodes of a characters introduction.


And how would the registry work, how does it determine whose registered will that cut out unregistered people, criminals, miners who aren't deemed citizens?


... I was talking about shock, mental processing, human reactions to surprising and gut churning events.

that doesn't preclude subtle hints (Emerald could make a comment about how Ruby got in 2 years early, and Cinder says "oh, how lovely" while clearly restraining her rage)
 
And how would the registry work, how does it determine whose registered will that cut out unregistered people, criminals, miners who aren't deemed citizens?

First: it was a metaphor, an analogy to get across the concept.
Second: it'd be simply showing Ambrosius Wanted photos of Cinder, Watts, Neo, Ironwood, and Salem, and telling him "everyone else can pass through the doorways; but these guys? No, they are not allowed through."
 
that doesn't preclude subtle hints (Emerald could make a comment about how Ruby got in 2 years early, and Cinder says "oh, how lovely" while clearly restraining her rage)
I shared a post quite awhile ago that highlighted a lot of details that hinted at Cinder having an abusive upbringing well before we saw it. Plus Cinder never wanted to be a Hunter, she wanted to be free.
First: it was a metaphor, an analogy to get across the concept.
Second: it'd be simply showing Ambrosius Wanted photos of Cinder, Watts, Neo, Ironwood, and Salem, and telling him "everyone else can pass through the doorways; but these guys? No, they are not allowed through."
"So how does this magical forcefield barrier that precludes only certain specific physical objects work?"
 
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