Remove ads

RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Reader mode
Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
  • Staff Post
    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
    Last edited:
  • Staff Post
    • Psyga315 said:
    The major problem with this is that we're basically given every reason not to care about Atlas at this point. All the focus is put on how Mantle is hurt and tortured and needs top priority while the most we get out of Atlas is that it is so upper crust, even its own children are implied to be just as bad as their parents (case in point, the only time we hear of Atlasian children, they were laughing at people dying in the mines). Not even the people in Atlas who are trying to do good get out of this unscathed. Ironwood's good intentions are ignored in favor of how poorly he treats Mantle and how he starts shooting people to tell everyone he's super evil, and meanwhile the characters who are trying to stop Salem from destroying Atlas are being seen as "selfish" because their plans involve ditching everyone else. Literally, there's only a few named, on-screen people from Atlas where it would be a shame if they were to die. And some of those people haven't even shown up in Volumes 7 & 8.

    So, yeah, I can't blame the guy for wanting Atlas to fall. RWBY has shown nothing but negative traits in Atlas and whatever positives it had are taken up by Mantle.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    And you and others are clearly missing the point.
    Team RWBY, The Huntsmen system, the source of power for the Silver Eyes themselves all are crafted in this story with the message of "Protect Life". Your frustration with "Ironwood Haters" is clouding your judgement. Ironwood may be a villain currently, but that does not mean he should die nor do the characters (outside of very sad and angry bird man) want him to die. Heck, if anything the one man who does want show The General the business end of their weapon is more than likely gonna be talked out of it before he does it. Illia's justified rage with the laughing children was also framed to be a touch unsettling. Winter, despite currently following Ironwood as he spirals, is not show to be a bad person. Weiss, while a main character who will keep traveling with the others until the end of the show, is still from Atlas and thus even with mixed feelings would be hurt if it was destroyed. She'd be even more hurt if all it's citizens went down with it. Whitley, despite being a brat, has also been shown to be as much a victim of things as his sisters. Atlas is also where Flynt, Neon, and their Team (who we saw last volume) are currently going to school.
    Let me put it this way, I feel when people think Atlas and all it's people should die and that Salem is doing Remnant a favor....they are in a way agreeing with The God of Darkness to an extent. He punished the world for the behavior of a few. Meanwhile in current times people are thinking Atlas should be wiped out just because it's system is broken. The "System" (Salem) warped things for "Atlas" (The World), and thus "Salem" (GoD) is within her god-like right to destroy everyone.
     
    Matrix Dragon said:
    So, let's let Salem murder everyone else! Clearly that's logical and reasonable!

    Edit: I should note, this Dappercat guy has been hanging around a number of Tumblr accounts for months, mine included. Usually arguing for whatever option has the highest body count. Hell, a few weeks back, he was insisting that Ironwood was justified in murdering Sleet because he'd get in the way of protecting Atlas. He just wants people to share his murder boner.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I'm familiar with him from Reddit.

    He's also a Radical White Fang and Adam Taurus sympathizer. By which I mean he asked why Blake and Yang killing Adam was different from other killings, if I recall correctly.

    I don't say this to suggest he's a worthless human being, or dangerous. But I think he probably needs help in real life, so I've tried to be polite and kind to him even as I firmly reject his positions.
     
    Last edited:
    Sunder the Gold said:
    I'm familiar with him from Reddit.

    He's also a Radical White Fang and Adam Taurus sympathizer. By which I mean he asked why Blake and Yang killing Adam was different from other killings, if I recall correctly.

    I don't say this to suggest he's a worthless human being, or dangerous. But I think he probably needs help in real life, so I've tried to be polite and kind to him even as I firmly reject his positions.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    Honestly, I suspect he's young, and trying to be edgy without really knowing how it comes across.
     
    oh, speaking of tumblr people, all of us here are familiar with cactus, right?
    well cactus recently put out a fanfic
    of STRQ going to the Glass Unicorn and in the end getting 10 year old Cinder out of there.

    it got me thinking about something again
    in the story they have Summer's weapon as a Moon Spade (Monk's Spade)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monk's_spade

    Basically a duel sided polearm. The spade/shovel end was to bury any dead they come across on their travels. The crescent moon blade was the main weapon should the monk be attacked, as it could defend against small-medium weapons and/or hold in animal like a dog at by pushing againt it's neck.
    Honestly, I think this kind of weapon could actually work for Summer.
    We know the weapons of 3 Silver Eyes warriors so far. Ruby (Scythe), Maria (Sickle), and The Warrior In The Woods (Billhook).
    The commonality between them is the are hooked/curved farming instruments. A shovel also counts as a field tool, and the crescent end fits the curved and moon themes. Not to mention a shovel could be handy for a Huntress if they survive a fight but fail to protect people.
    what do you guys think?
     
    Pugman said:
    And you and others are clearly missing the point.
    Team RWBY, The Huntsmen system, the source of power for the Silver Eyes themselves all are crafted in this story with the message of "Protect Life". Your frustration with "Ironwood Haters" is clouding your judgement. Ironwood may be a villain currently, but that does not mean he should die nor do the characters (outside of very sad and angry bird man) want him to die. Heck, if anything the one man who does want show The General the business end of their weapon is more than likely gonna be talked out of it before he does it. Illia's justified rage with the laughing children was also framed to be a touch unsettling. Winter, despite currently following Ironwood as he spirals, is not show to be a bad person. Weiss, while a main character who will keep traveling with the others until the end of the show, is still from Atlas and thus even with mixed feelings would be hurt if it was destroyed. She'd be even more hurt if all it's citizens went down with it. Whitley, despite being a brat, has also been shown to be as much a victim of things as his sisters. Atlas is also where Flynt, Neon, and their Team (who we saw last volume) are currently going to school.
    Let me put it this way, I feel when people think Atlas and all it's people should die and that Salem is doing Remnant a favor....they are in a way agreeing with The God of Darkness to an extent. He punished the world for the behavior of a few. Meanwhile in current times people are thinking Atlas should be wiped out just because it's system is broken. The "System" (Salem) warped things for "Atlas" (The World), and thus "Salem" (GoD) is within her god-like right to destroy everyone.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Also, even if you don't give a fig for Atlas, if it falls (literally) the only place for it to go is into the Crater. Not even Mantle: the worst slums of the city, where the Faunus live, and where all the Mantle refugees are currently holed up. Best not throw the baby out with the bathwater, no?
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Also, even if you don't give a fig for Atlas, if it falls (literally) the only place for it to go is into the Crater. Not even Mantle: the worst slums of the city, where the Faunus live, and where all the Mantle refugees are currently holed up. Best not throw the baby out with the bathwater, no?
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Right. The cure must always be better than the disease.

    Even the worst city provides more material support for survival to the poorest of inhabitants than they would get from the wilderness. Give them no where but the wilderness to go, and they will likely all die.

    If they could thrive in the wilderness, they would already be living there.


    Matrix Dragon said:
    Honestly, I suspect he's young, and trying to be edgy without really knowing how it comes across.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    I also got the impression he was young, but I wasn't sure. Immaturity and lack of written eloquence don't necessarily prove yout
     
    Words and meanings

    Sanus - sound mind and body

    Vale - a valley / the world

    Beacon - a guiding light

    Patch - a piece used to mend and make whole

    Signal - a sign, something to guide action

    Vacuo - in a vacuum / vacant, empty

    Shade - blocking of light/protection from light

    Mistral - wind (a strong and cold northwest wind in southern France and the Mediterranean)

    Haven - a harbor or port, a safe place to rest after so long at sea

    Solitas - loneliness, solitude

    Mantle - a cover, such as a cloak or the protective layer between the Earth's crust and it's core

    Alsius - liable to injury from the cold

    Atlas - "bearer", to endure, to suffer, to bear

    Menagerie - a collection of live wild animals


    yeesh RoosterTeeth is on point with these names (some more than others).
    also note, the school names in Vale (Signal, Beacon), Mistral (Haven), and Vacuo (Shade) all indicate safety. Meanwhile Solitas (Alsius/Atlas) do not.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    ... I'm not sure why liking and sympathizing a fictional character would suggest he's a worthless human being/dangerous. Everyone's entitled to their opinions.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    Liking and sympathizing, no. Making excuses for their abusive behaviour, or insisting such things are right? That difference is what separates Adam fans from the creepy incels.


    Sunder the Gold said:
    I also got the impression he was young, but I wasn't sure. Immaturity and lack of written eloquence don't necessarily prove yout
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    True enough. I suppose it's trying to think better of him. Better that he's young and got some maturing to do than have him be older a d never have gained that perspective.
     
    Zimmerwald1915 said:
    Also, even if you don't give a fig for Atlas, if it falls (literally) the only place for it to go is into the Crater. Not even Mantle: the worst slums of the city, where the Faunus live, and where all the Mantle refugees are currently holed up. Best not throw the baby out with the bathwater, no?
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Right. The cure must always be better than the disease.

    Even the worst city provides more material support for survival to the poorest of inhabitants than they would get from the wilderness. Give them no where but the wilderness to go, and they will likely all die.

    If they could thrive in the wilderness, they would already be living there.



    I also got the impression he was young, but I wasn't sure. Immaturity and lack of written eloquence don't necessarily prove yout
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...


    There is also this. I believe it has been shared already. If Atlas literally falls, then that would case serious disaster.

    I keep seeing people say that evacuating people into the Crater will get everyone killed if Atlas falls. I'm not sure if people understand how this works.
    Look at Atlas. It probably weighs trillions of tons, and looks to be floating around 1,000 feet in the air. If this thing crashes down, it'll be an impact not quite at the level but definitely in the same ballpark as the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. Nowhere in Mantle would be safe. Hell, nowhere in SOLITAS would be safe.
    We know that this volume takes place over the course of only a couple days. In the case of Atlas falling this season, getting the people of Mantle to safety would be logistically impossible. The heroes seem to have access to a SINGLE airship. If they were evacuating people outside of the impact zone 24/7 they'd probably get less than 100 people to a place where the shockwave wouldn't kill them instantly, if that. And that's not even considering the longterm effects of such a crash like tidal waves and climate change.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
     
    on the account of Atlas crashing, how can we be sure CRWBY would have the impact be 100% scientifically accurate?
    it would be bad on their part, but if they did have the entire island crash I would not be surprised if they fudge it in a way that it doesn't just wreck the entire continent.


    Zam said:
    I recommended the fic over on the ideas thread :D

    Also good insights there that scans well!
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...

    could you pass me a link to that thread, pls?
     
    something to think on when wanting to change history to "fix" certain parts or "save" certain people
    If Cinder was saved and didn't end up on the path she is now, then Team RWBY would not be a thing.
    Amber would not of been attacked by Cinder, Emerald and Mercury
    There would be no Cinder to bring The White Fang into the scheme
    There would be no Cinder to drive Roman to do all those robberies
    No Roman on that particular night, no fight for Ruby, no early entry to Beacon.

    Weiss would not have her BFF, Weiss might of managed to meet Pyrrha before she got Jaune down from the tree, and the list just goes on and on.

    It sucks and isn't fair, yes, but from the ashes and cinders of innocence and hope of one abused girl rose a brilliant rose as red as rubies.
     
    AlertFiend said:
    There is also this. I believe it has been shared already. If Atlas literally falls, then that would case serious disaster.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Eh, it's quite unlikely Atlas would even reach terminal fall velocity from that height, much less the speed of an asteroid collision where the asteroid already has incoming momentum in addition to the pull of Earth's gravity. A massive disaster, to be sure, but I'm extremely doubtful that it would be global extinction level. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within a radius measured in tens of miles, though, it would still be like a nuclear strike.

    EDIT: For comparison, it takes a skydiver something like 14 seconds of freefall to reach terminal velocity. Obviously, Atlas is going to accelerate faster, but it won't take it anywhere near that long to fall a measly thousand feet.
     
    Last edited:
    Found this Tumblr post that kinda brings up some good points regarding a recent revelation:

     
    Which part? The part where they try to blame Ruby for Ironwoods decisions, the part where they deliberately misrepresented Ironwoods actions, the part where they proclaim it was impossible to plan for an attack from that angle, or the part where the sarcasm gets so deep you need a wetsuit?
     
    SolipsistSerpent said:
    Eh, it's quite unlikely Atlas would even reach terminal fall velocity from that height, much less the speed of an asteroid collision where the asteroid already has incoming momentum in addition to the pull of Earth's gravity. A massive disaster, to be sure, but I'm extremely doubtful that it would be global extinction level. I wouldn't want to be anywhere within a radius measured in tens of miles, though, it would still be like a nuclear strike.

    EDIT: For comparison, it takes a skydiver something like 14 seconds of freefall to reach terminal velocity. Obviously, Atlas is going to accelerate faster, but it won't take it anywhere near that long to fall a measly thousand feet.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    Hmm...
    What about slowly falling?

    Like, they can't keep it In the air....but they can still slow it down enough to stop the worst from happening?
    After all...What do people think of when they hear Atlas?
     
    Pugman said:
    something to think on when wanting to change history to "fix" certain parts or "save" certain people
    undefined
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    As others noted if Cinder had gotten out its entirely possible Ruby would have ended up going to beacon with her autograph; Salem would find a new potential maiden, maybe not as useful as Cinder in some respects or who is harder to manage but her plan wasn't dependent exclusively on her at the end of the day.

    Hunger:
     
    Zam said:
    As others noted if Cinder had gotten out its entirely possible Ruby would have ended up going to beacon with her autograph; Salem would find a new potential maiden, maybe not as useful as Cinder in some respects or who is harder to manage but her plan wasn't dependent exclusively on her at the end of the day.
    Click to expand...
    Click to shrink...
    So what you're saying is that I would have two characters that were baby, instead of just the one I have now.

    Obviously I have several characters in RWBY that I consider baby, but I'm specifically referring to Cinder and the hypothetical Cinder replacement right now. :D
     
    Reader mode
    You must login or register to reply here.
    Remove ads
    Back
    Top