RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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Ironwood may have his issues but I can see him ordering Winter and the AOs to retreat while he stays there and going down with the wreckage of Atlas. It may be at the very end and it's more he's shocked that it all failed so miserably but I see it happening. He has enough clarity at the end to order Winter to leave since Atlas will need someone to lead after this.
 
Ironwood may have his issues but I can see him ordering Winter and the AOs to retreat while he stays there and going down with the wreckage of Atlas. It may be at the very end and it's more he's shocked that it all failed so miserably but I see it happening. He has enough clarity at the end to order Winter to leave since Atlas will need someone to lead after this.
Naaah, we can't have Ironwood have any single shred of common decency or make him somewhat of a decent person.

He's going to shoot the first person who tells him he needs to go down with the ship or the first person who defects from him.
 
It's always fun to see fanart of
Farm boi is off the hook, what crimes will he commit?

And the show keeps getting even better in hindsight
I love that detail and that analysis it all fits so well!

Pretty much this. Because of course Atlas would practice prison labour.
Its Remnant America so pretty much yeah.

The next episode is going to be insane:
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Oh. Oooooooooooh.

People Complaining about Ironwood Again, cue My Counter Argument:
 
In other, yet predictable news, there are people that say Cinder should of easily beaten Penny in "Amity" due to having more experience with the Maiden powers.
Like, have they not gotten the memo yet that "experience =/= victory"???
 
In other, yet predictable news, there are people that say Cinder should of easily beaten Penny in "Amity" due to having more experience with the Maiden powers.
Like, have they not gotten the memo yet that "experience =/= victory"???

I think the internet's obsession with stats and VS debate tainted how a lot of people analyzed fiction in general and battles in particular.
 
Also Cinder was operating under the (highly reasonable) assumption that Penny would not be able to land the FU energy beam since Emerald was messing with Penny's senses.

Unfortunatly Penny has other senses and Emerald is presumably limited to effecting senses she understands/knows about. Maybe if she knew Penny had thermal vision she could have done something but no way to tell.
 
Personally I blame the Dragonball franchise.

I certainly think it planted the seed with power levels and the implication of limits even if they'd be shattered in the next fight or the next arc and there being a lot of truth to 'power levels are bullshit'. The internet culture that sprung up around shows like DB and what not is where it took off. I think the eternal Superman vs Goku debate is where the ball really got rolling, I remember that one raging in fan circles at least as far back as the naughties, maybe a little earlier*.

*My memories are a bit fuzzy
 
Whitley
I get that people want to see Weiss and Whitley talk and stuff, buuuuuut how exactly do we think the writers could fit that into the season and keep things flowing? Having the 2 siblings sit down and verbally hash shit out would not fly, so I'm thinking yelling and shouting while on the run.
 
Whitley
I get that people want to see Weiss and Whitley talk and stuff, buuuuuut how exactly do we think the writers could fit that into the season and keep things flowing? Having the 2 siblings sit down and verbally hash shit out would not fly, so I'm thinking yelling and shouting while on the run.
Likewise for that Blake/Marrow chat they teased back in Volume 7.
 
Whitley
I get that people want to see Weiss and Whitley talk and stuff, buuuuuut how exactly do we think the writers could fit that into the season and keep things flowing? Having the 2 siblings sit down and verbally hash shit out would not fly, so I'm thinking yelling and shouting while on the run.

Also, people need to remember the last time a volume tried to hit the brakes it got panned [in someways fairly, in someways not] so the writers are probably a little hesitant to do that sort of thing very often.
 
Personally I blame the Dragonball franchise.

It would be difficult to lay the blame a single thing for that. Rather it's a combination of factors, including the desire to have something measurable and quantifiable (hence things like power levels), alongside the commonly held belief that if A beats B and B beats C then A beats C, which isn't always the case.

It can be understandable why some people think this way, but it ends up simplifying things too much oftentimes.
 
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Whitley
I get that people want to see Weiss and Whitley talk and stuff, buuuuuut how exactly do we think the writers could fit that into the season and keep things flowing? Having the 2 siblings sit down and verbally hash shit out would not fly, so I'm thinking yelling and shouting while on the run.
I personally think Weiss wi be retreating with the gang and Whitley is in trouble and she chooses to go back and save him.
 
Pretty much this. Because of course Atlas would practice prison labour.
To be honest basically half the world in Remnent practice forced labor. If those cages in Mistral mines where anything to go by in the comics. Which makes sense due to their history.
The only decent one is Vale. Which we barely know anything about compared to the other kingdoms.
Also Vacou which has no official government outside the academy. So their is no government forced labor but who knows about non government forced labor.
 
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It hadn't clicked the first time I watched but those massive jellyfish things that are scattered around the cloud; could they be Alpha Seer Grimm or something? I mean we have seen a version without the spikes on the ends of it's tendrils.
I noted this before but they appear to be weather control Grimm. Then again Salem can use Seers to conduit her magic. Maybe she did use magic to create the storm but had the mega Seers channel the spell outward.






Looks like the 🌩zappy death cloud 🌩 that Salem is using to hide and protect her aerial forces is being generated by some form of flying jellyfish Grimm. MurderofBirds and a few other people have pointed them out before but this is the first time where we've clearly been able to see that they're responsible for the cloud.


On one hand this means Salem's magic isn't sustaining the massive fuckoff huge cloud of death, but on the other she still has rainbow style OG magic so she should have plenty of weather control magic of her own still, but just can't or won't be bothered to maintain it for so long herself.

And this does mean that there are now weather control Grimm. Which is it's own brand of bad news (but very cool from an out of universe perspective). This does make it unlikely that the hints of jellyfish Grimm that people spotted is an indication that Salem has some other trump card hidden in that cloud. Instead the jellyfish are the cloud card, and her hidden ace is whatever is waking up beneath the ice.
 

The major problem with this is that we're basically given every reason not to care about Atlas at this point. All the focus is put on how Mantle is hurt and tortured and needs top priority while the most we get out of Atlas is that it is so upper crust, even its own children are implied to be just as bad as their parents (case in point, the only time we hear of Atlasian children, they were laughing at people dying in the mines). Not even the people in Atlas who are trying to do good get out of this unscathed. Ironwood's good intentions are ignored in favor of how poorly he treats Mantle and how he starts shooting people to tell everyone he's super evil, and meanwhile the characters who are trying to stop Salem from destroying Atlas are being seen as "selfish" because their plans involve ditching everyone else. Literally, there's only a few named, on-screen people from Atlas where it would be a shame if they were to die. And some of those people haven't even shown up in Volumes 7 & 8.

So, yeah, I can't blame the guy for wanting Atlas to fall. RWBY has shown nothing but negative traits in Atlas and whatever positives it had are taken up by Mantle.
 
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Weiss, Winter, Penny, Marrow, Pietro, Willow, Klein...
That's the thing. You can count them on your hands, but you'll have fingers left compared to the number of unlikable characters in Atlas.

That and Weiss technically doesn't count because she'll be leaving Atlas anyways.

And remember what I said about some characters not showing up in Volumes 7 & 8? Klein.
 
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That's the thing. You can count them on your hands, but you'll have fingers left compared to the number of unlikable characters in Atlas.

That and Weiss technically doesn't count because she'll be leaving Atlas anyways.

So, let's let Salem murder everyone else! Clearly that's logical and reasonable!

Edit: I should note, this Dappercat guy has been hanging around a number of Tumblr accounts for months, mine included. Usually arguing for whatever option has the highest body count. Hell, a few weeks back, he was insisting that Ironwood was justified in murdering Sleet because he'd get in the way of protecting Atlas. He just wants people to share his murder boner.
 
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