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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Creticus said:
    Greek gods. It's a useful catch-all term for the entire lot, particularly because it's shorter than writing "Greek gods" each time.
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    I thought so just wanted to check, thanks.

    Creticus said:
    Pandora was a punishment. For what it's worth, the earliest version claims that it was Prometheus who started the whole mess by deceiving Zeus into accepting the bones of the animal wrapped in its fat so that humans could have the rest. In response, Zeus punished humans by withdrawing fire, which prompted Prometheus to challenge Zeus's reign a second time. This resulted in a second, much harsher punishment in the form of Pandora.

    Regarding Hera, why would Zeus intervene when punishing rule-breakers is what the theoi do? Since marriage is the purview of Hera, she's in the right when she punishes the people who violate her marriage with Zeus. Sure, some of those people might not have had much of a choice, but based on the Delos incident, it's possible to conclude that Hera expects them to kill themselves rather than be raped.

    Continuing on the same note, it's important to note that a lot of the ancient Greeks were really, really terrible when it came to the issue of consent. To them, women couldn't consent because that right was reserved for their male guardians. Since the theoi were the masters of the cosmos, they weren't in the wrong even when they forced other people to have sex with them. Instead, those people would be in the wrong if they refused the theoi. Speaking of which, this is one of the reasons that Hera goes after Zeus's partners and Zeus's illegitimate children rather than Zeus most of the time. From the perspective of the ancient Greeks, Zeus wasn't doing anything wrong because he owned everyone and everything anyways.
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    This still leaves Zeus punishing humanity for basically doing nothing while gods bickered and manipulated each other though.

    While this raises a fair point regarding blue and orange morality this doesn't always mean what the theoi did was propped up as good or likeable by the Ancient Greeks. Sometimes it was, like poor Medusa's punishment and such, but I don't think all the time. Though I think we are a bit off topic at this point. Sorry if that seems rude.
     
    skaianDestiny said:
    Because the majority of religions have multiple deities or spirits? The early Christian/Jewish/Muslim people were persecuted because they were the only ones who were monotheistic. Apparently it's easier for people to believe in multiple gods governing different aspects of the world rather than a single all-powerful one.
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    ...I suppose I should be a little clearer. I wasn't asking 'why pantheons instead of monothiestic', I was asking 'why ANYTHING'; There has, as far as I am aware, been no indication of any religion on Remnant in the canon. (The crosses on some of Ruby's outfit have been given no significant beyond 'cool-looking design' so they don't count.) There is literally nothing to speculate on (even less than the infamous shipping that started when all there was was the original four silhouettes). While it's certainly fun to speculate on what sort of religions might evolve in such a world, until we have some - any - indication as to what Remnant religion might be like it is nothing but creating fanon from whole cloth.

    Now, I'm not saying it's something that shouldn't be discussed - it's just that it seemed to me in the sheer enthuiasm for the topic that that little fact might have been forgotten, and that It probably should be made just a little clearer that that's what it is, so that new people know it's '100% fanon' as opposed to 'speculation' or 'based on canon'.
     
    The Bushranger said:
    ..I suppose I should be a little clearer. I wasn't asking 'why pantheons instead of monothiestic', I was asking 'why ANYTHING'; There has, as far as I am aware, been no indication of any religion on Remnant in the canon.
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    Yang did say "oh my god" at one point which sparked the matter, though I generally regard it as a hold over from the writers culture.
     
    Zam said:
    This still leaves Zeus punishing humanity for basically doing nothing while gods bickered and manipulated each other though.

    While this raises a fair point regarding blue and orange morality this doesn't always mean what the theoi did was propped up as good or likeable by the Ancient Greeks. Sometimes it was, like poor Medusa's punishment and such, but I don't think all the time. Though I think we are a bit off topic at this point. Sorry if that seems rude.
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    Fair enough, no culture has ever had a uniform opinion about the big issues, particularly not when they went through as much change as the ancient Greeks did.

    I'm glad that this has come to such an amicable conclusion.
     
    Zam said:
    I thought so just wanted to check, thanks.


    This still leaves Zeus punishing humanity for basically doing nothing while gods bickered and manipulated each other though.

    While this raises a fair point regarding blue and orange morality this doesn't always mean what the theoi did was propped up as good or likeable by the Ancient Greeks. Sometimes it was, like poor Medusa's punishment and such, but I don't think all the time. Though I think we are a bit off topic at this point. Sorry if that seems rude.
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    The other thing to remember is we only have a fragment of the story.

    Take Medusa's myth for example. It doesn't exactly help that the most famous version of the story was written by the Roman author Ovid. Homer had Medusa as just another baddie, while Hesiod had Medusa as the mortal of a trio of gorgons who had consensual sex with Poseidon (as one is want to do).

    Ovid was the one who made Medusa this cursed priestess of Athena, and her slaying the final middle finger by the goddess.
     
    maskedanddanger said:
    The other thing to remember is we only have a fragment of the story.

    Take Medusa's myth for example. It doesn't exactly help that the most famous version of the story was written by the Roman author Ovid. Homer had Medusa as just another baddie, while Hesiod had Medusa as the mortal of a trio of gorgons who had consensual sex with Poseidon (as one is want to do).

    Ovid was the one who made Medusa this cursed priestess of Athena, and her slaying the final middle finger by the goddess.
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    You raise a fair and interesting point there. Plus in reference to the trio of Gorgons, some people have noted that it was a sort of cultural habit of splitting one goddess into a trinity to represent different aspects as well, so there's another layer. It actually gets even more interesting when you start looking back at the ages and potential dates that these events "happened" around.


    Though in keeping with the theme of the thread here's something I posted elsewhere but might be suited for this thread as well, plus I'm building on it a bit.

    One thing I would like to see from RWBY in the future, beyond the travels of those three Faunus up above because that does look interesting, are more clear cut examples of prejudice against Faunus. Now I'll be the first to step up and say that displaying the subtle prejudices in a society where its no longer blatantly legally to mistreat one group over another and that the unfair labour of Schnee Dust and thugs like CDRL serve as a reasonable example I can see why some people feel it is something of an informed attribute and some of the more subtle ways of potentially displaying it in the future may fly over peoples heads in a "oh they were just being jerks don't bring prejudice into this" kind of way.

    In this context, I remember a fic about Penny and the red and blue soldiers who guarded her at the dance where one neat little bit of depressing world building they came up with was that Faunus were not permitted to join the Atlas military due to potentially causing "disunity" amongst the troops. Something like that, or having all Faunus military platoons and all human ones, practically no Faunus ever allowed into an academy barring special circumstances or political posturing from those in power and other such things being referenced could serve as a good example as to "why" the WF felt they need to go as far as they do.

    I'm actually sort of toying with a snippet concept about a Faunus from Atlas who is basically hopping ships (and working on them for free) in order to reach Vacuo which she idolises as a much "nicer" place than Atlas, though she's not openly hostile or blatantly critical of Atlas due to fearing the reactions of others. She hopes can attend a combat school and thinks she has enough for a years tuition at one of the cheaper ones and intends to put herself through the rest of the years through part time jobs and hard work. (or just have a normal life and job) She's got her life savings with her sealed in a box and nothing but the clothes on her back, she's worked part time jobs more than she was ever able, or allowed, to attend school and is just stopping in Vale on the way to Vacuo as it was the easiest/safest path to take. The general idea would be having her unintentionally reveal the issues in Atlas's systems just by answering questions ad be seen as very uncomfortable doing so, as though she is fearful of the consequences and probably a bit nervous around Weiss. (I keep imagining her as Caet Syth Silica for various reasons.)

    After reflecting on the idea some more, I've actually started revising the concept and replacing RWBY with Pyrrha and Vale with Mistral, making it a sort of prequel where when skipping from one ship to the next the Faunus was mugged, had her life saving stolen and Pyrrha intervened. The police were giving the Faunus a hard time though and may well have come down in favour of the thief due to "lack of evidence it was her possession and not their" but Pyrrha was able to force the matter and save her life savings. Cut to the Vytal tournament where they meet again and the girl wants to thank Pyrrha for her help, (though Pyrrha is as ever humble) but manages to treat her to ice cream. However she's vague about Vacuo and referencing the danger posed by the WF and gives Pyrrha a sort of warning/ticket out if things get hairy... Suffice to say, things didnot go as planned in Vacuo, if she ever reached it.
     
    I'm sure this has already been mentioned but I can seem to find it by searching the thread. Has anyone checked the name of Ren's new voice actor. :(

    They could have made him mute for all he talks but I thought it was touching.
     
    Triggerhappy said:
    That's what I meant. I was asking if it had been mentioned in the thread. I couldn't find it by searching.
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    Yeah, it was announced at RTX 2015 in August. See threadmark: Anime - RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye | Page 63

    It was also mentioned when the new episode aired, hidden under spoiler tags: Anime - RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye | Page 82

    r0b0panda said:
    MAMMOTH RECAP, HO!
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    My favorites this round:

     
    Renu said:
    Is "Flower Power" another name for Rennora or did I miss the joke?
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    Never heard it, myself, but it would fit the theme of Dual Tech names doubling as potential pairing names.

    Flower (Ren) Power (Nora).

    Except Jaune is apparently so full of Fail that he never actually worked with Ren and Nora about code names for their Dual Techs, and just expecting that to work anyway.

    I'm at least going to give him the benefit of assuming he's seen them pull off the Dual Tech before (because come on, of course those two have Dual Techs with each other), so they HAVE what he's talking about, even if they don't KNOW what he's talking about.
     
    The lovely ladies of Team Indigo <3

    Totally rooting for you guys to dark horse SSSN out of the tourney!
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    Never heard it, myself, but it would fit the theme of Dual Tech names doubling as potential pairing names.

    Flower (Ren) Power (Nora).

    Except Jaune is apparently so full of Fail that he never actually worked with Ren and Nora about code names for their Dual Techs, and just expecting that to work anyway.

    I'm at least going to give him the benefit of assuming he's seen them pull off the Dual Tech before (because come on, of course those two have Dual Techs with each other), so they HAVE what he's talking about, even if they don't KNOW what he's talking about.
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    He could also just yell things while they do what they would normally do when working together, they appear to have spent their entire lives together so combo attacks are likely well within their skill set.
     
    AlbusRumbledore said:
    While Indigo's designs are great, I want SSSN to win - if only to prove that males aren't completely frigging useless in this universe!
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    We've seen male characters contribute a lot to this series given there aren't any that are part of the main cast. Though chances are SSSN will win because they are established and Indigo aren't, plus we saw Sun kicking one in the head.
     
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