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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    9:30
    nine minutes thirty seconds, NINE MINUTES THIRTY SECONDS
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    NINE THIRTY
    NINE THIRTY!
    NINE THREE ZERO!
    NINE THREE ZERO!
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    But where did Nora get the money to make Magnhild and afford its ammunition?
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    If what Ruby's comments about weapons are any indication, the students custom-build their own weapons at their training schools. So perhaps she build Magnhild at the school, using the materials that the school provides, that she and Ren attended prior to coming to Beacon.
     
    Maybe Ren and her took on part time jobs, I could see orphan Nora doing construction work to pay for her education and parts for her hammer.
     
    She is Nora, the goddess of destruction, she demanded a giant hammer or the parts necessary and everyone got them for her, the consequnces of not doing so are dire XD
     
    Am I the only one that feels this episode was slower than prior ones? I don't mean just in terms of narrative, that's to be expected of the first episode, but the pacing, combat, movement, and dialogue. And I don't mean this as a bad thing. In fact, I feel that this slowness actually makes it feel much more articulate and confident from both character dialogue and exposition to the now better choreographed and planned out fight scenes. It's still a very flashy show but in my opinion it's a lot more sure of the direction it wants to go in and hopefully, the seeds of S2 will fully blossom here.
     
    GnosisEater said:
    Am I the only one that feels this episode was slower than prior ones? I don't mean just in terms of narrative, that's to be expected of the first episode, but the pacing, combat, movement, and dialogue. And I don't mean this as a bad thing. In fact, I feel that this slowness actually makes it feel much more articulate and confident from both character dialogue and exposition to the now better choreographed and planned out fight scenes. It's still a very flashy show but in my opinion it's a lot more sure of the direction it wants to go in and hopefully, the seeds of S2 will fully blossom here.
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    My take is that, that's a result of a tournaments nature. Normally RWBY are fighting monsters, criminals, murderers ans such, these battles will be frantic, all out, chaotic affairs where fight or flight is at its peak and any wrong step or good move can lead to someone's brain being mulched. As where in a tourny people 'have" to hold back from accidentally smearing their opponents on a wall and likely are not as desperate to win as they would be in a real fight.
     
    Yeah, the pacing of a tournament battle is definitely different.

    Also, I noticed that the quality of animation is much better, as well as being stylized. Sure, it's not as off-the-wall awesome as when Monty did it, but it's more consistently good.

    I guess that's because they hired an army of animators to replace Monty, since the guy was a one-man-army-animator.

    But seriously, they should have done that back when they still had Monty, to take some of the load off of Monty.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    But where did Nora get the money to make Magnhild and afford its ammunition?
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    Magnhild is an ancient weapon that only Nora is able to wield because she's worthy. :p

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    There's some weird connection tickling the back of my head. At the start of the episode, Ruby comments on how Ozpin reminds her of Qrow and she still isn't sure why he left her in early. Now, obviously she can mostly hack it and so maybe he just saw that in her. But, something I also noticed was when they zoomed in on Qrow's sword, he has a spinning cogwheel in the center. Now, who's the other cast member in the show who uses cogwheel symbolism? Ozpin!

    What exactly I'm driving at I'm not sure, though. Could they actually be related and Ozpin has just opted to keep it on the down low?
     
    Spectrum said:
    Magnhild is an ancient weapon that only Nora is able to wield because she's worthy. :p

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    Random thoughts:
    There's some weird connection tickling the back of my head. At the start of the episode, Ruby comments on how Ozpin reminds her of Qrow and she still isn't sure why he left her in early. Now, obviously she can mostly hack it and so maybe he just saw that in her. But, something I also noticed was when they zoomed in on Qrow's sword, he has a spinning cogwheel in the center. Now, who's the other cast member in the show who uses cogwheel symbolism? Ozpin!

    What exactly I'm driving at I'm not sure, though. Could they actually be related and Ozpin has just opted to keep it on the down low?
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    I picked up on this, and I noticed something else interesting. Look at the photograph of Qrow's team in the opening, look at his face. Now look at Ozpin's face. They have exactly the same face. Even the eyebrows, the nose, the mouth, the eyes. Everything. Even his hair is basically the same but for the color. I PREDICT TIME TRAVEL SHENANIGANS.

    But epileptic trees aside, yes there have been tons of hints dropped that Ozpin is not a normal hunter. From that bit in the World of Remnant: Aura episode where Ozpin's silhouette shows up when the narrator says "With enough training and focus, a user's Aura can turn them into something much more than just a man", to Glynda and Ironwood's conversation in Volume 2 Episode 10 about how "Ozpin has experience that the rest of us lack, and I think that's something worth remembering" (though this might just mean he's old enough to have fought in the war).

    The Ozpin/Qrow connections in this episode were not at all subtle. Ruby's comment ("It's funny, the more I get to know him, the more he starts sounding like Uncle Qrow.") could be missed, but the cog thing in the opening is pretty blatant, not sure what it means, but there's something there. I would be suprised if there was time travel involved, that doesn't seem right for RWBY, but Ozpin's entire office floor is a clock, and everything in his office has clockwork designs. The clockwork backdrop for his appearance in the Season Two opening served to reinforce that association. It would be a pretty slight association if they just put that clockwork design on Qrow's weapon, but considering the way they're shoving it in our faces in the OP, it's either meaningful, or someone at RT is trolling.

    EDIT: Further elaborating on the thing about Ozpin having fought in the war, I just remembered that when Monty mentioned his Color Naming Rule, he said it applied to all the names "Minus Ozpin... for reasons..." which might also imply that he's older than the color war, or it might just be because Monty really wanted that Wizard of Oz reference.

    EDIT EDIT: So this is apparently Qrow's emblem... and this is Ozpin's...
     
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    I seem to recall there being a little hint dropped once that with aura you could live longer than normal but cannot seem to find it.
     
    Conundrum said:
    I seem to recall there being a little hint dropped once that with aura you could live longer than normal but cannot seem to find it.
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    I think that's fanon, but it would not suprise me if it were canon. I don't think we've ever seen an old huntsman in RWBY. Of course it could be the obvious answer, most huntsmen don't live very long. But it could also be that the more powerful hunters who live to old age don't show many visible signs of aging (Ozpin), even the older teachers don't look much past 30. The oldest visually is probably Ironwood, and I wouldn't put him past early 40s at the most.

    EDIT: Ozpin said in his speech during Season 2 Episode 8 that the Great War occurred about 80 years prior.
     
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    Fyre said:
    I think that's fanon, but it would not suprise me if it were canon. I don't think we've ever seen an old huntsman in RWBY. Of course it could be the obvious answer, most huntsmen don't live very long. But it could also be that the more powerful hunters who live to old age don't show many visible signs of aging (Ozpin), even the older teachers don't look much past 30. The oldest visually is probably Ironwood, and I wouldn't put him past early 40s at the most.

    EDIT: Ozpin said in his speech during Season 2 Episode 8 that the Great War occurred about 80 years prior.
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    Well now I am going to rewatch the entire show to find all the quotes on aura and stuff. I swear there have been quotes on surpassing some random stuff with aura, Monty alluded to blowing up the moon with aura already and I know for sure on that.
     
    Zam said:
    Because I've been using "Sacrifice" to reinforce the idea that Remnant locals regard their deities as a bunch of jerks.
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    I sort of disagree with this conclusion, depending on the exact definition of jerk. Cruelly indifferent, perhaps, but actively malevolent is probably going too far. After all, there are some things so bad that people tend not to be interested in making them worse. It's the reason that there are a lot of indifferent death deities, but not a lot of genuinely malevolent ones.

    It's interesting to speculate about the sort of religious figures that would spring up on Remnant, but at this point in time, I think we're lacking too much information about Remnant societies to produce really useful material. This is because religious figures are strongly influenced by the societies that worship them. For example, the really early versions of Chinese religion are filled with flood fighters and flood monsters because the heartland of Chinese civilization was centered around a river that killed somewhere between a few hundred thousand and a few million people as recently as 1931. Similarly, the Nile was extremely important in Egyptian religion, whereas the sea was something of an afterthought. I exactly recall one Egyptian myth where the personified figure of the sea shows up, which reads suspiciously like the Canaanite myth of Baal fighting the serpentine sea god, Yam.

    That said, if I had to guess, I'd guess that Remnant nomads worship a much more elemental set of figures than their city-bound counterparts, who'd worship religious figures strongly focused on human civilization within the walls. Kind of like a grimdark version of the Olympians.
     
    Creticus said:
    I sort of disagree with this conclusion, depending on the exact definition of jerk. Cruelly indifferent, perhaps, but actively malevolent is probably going too far. After all, there are some things so bad that people tend not to be interested in making them worse. It's the reason that there are a lot of indifferent death deities, but not a lot of genuinely malevolent ones.

    It's interesting to speculate about the sort of religious figures that would spring up on Remnant, but at this point in time, I think we're lacking too much information about Remnant societies to produce really useful material. This is because religious figures are strongly influenced by the societies that worship them. For example, the really early versions of Chinese religion are filled with flood fighters and flood monsters because the heartland of Chinese civilization was centered around a river that killed somewhere between a few hundred thousand and a few million people as recently as 1931. Similarly, the Nile was extremely important in Egyptian religion, whereas the sea was something of an afterthought. I exactly recall one Egyptian myth where the personified figure of the sea shows up, which reads suspiciously like the Canaanite myth of Baal fighting the serpentine sea god, Yam.

    That said, if I had to guess, I'd guess that Remnant nomads worship a much more elemental set of figures than their city-bound counterparts, who'd worship religious figures strongly focused on human civilization within the walls. Kind of like a grimdark version of the Olympians.
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    That's a very insightful idea regarding death deities I had never looked at it from that perspective before but it does explain a lot.

    Very interesting points there as well.

    Those are both definitely very possible. I usually assumed they might got for an ancestor worship or more meditative self ascension type deal.

    Most of what brought up my suggestion had to do with some discussions over on SB where most people seemed interested in suggesting the deity/deities of Remnant would be all about protecting and helping people. But then I thought, I don't know, if they believe in a deity but still have to face Grim then don't they need to square that with said entity or entities? Thus the idea of them being abusive jerks came about which fit in well with how the Greeks often regarded the gods, depending on which ones. Of course a good deity/deities VS evil ones is also possible.
     
    Creticus said:
    Kind of like a grimdark version of the Olympians.
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    You mean like the Titans?
    Or, y'know, the Olympians as shown in the original myths?
    (The entirety of the Illiad and Odyssey are result of Eris stirring up an argument about which goddess is most beautiful because she wasn't invited to a party.)
     
    With season 3 giving us more idea of where people live and their environments I imagine religion varies significantly from kingdom to kingdom. Remnant Australia I doubt has the same pantheon as Vale.
     
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