RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
 
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imagine if Salem let Summer live with just a maiming (no eyes and the beating of her life)
how do you think the tale of the Dragon Rose household would of gone, then?
Probably more a subject for the fanfic thread, but I imagine Yang and Ruby would have vastly happier childhoods unless Summer was really broken from the experience and would overall have had much easier lives.
 
I think Qrow fits the theme as the Scarcrow when you remember his big failing is him being unwilling or unable to think for himself at first. He always just trusted Ozpin and didn't once question his seeming knowledge or plan even when everyone else he knew started to do so.
 
second one
"we just wanted to be gay and stick it to the man. no one said anything about THAT!" *points at flying moby dick*
PFFFFFFT XD

Well said.

Joana: When you wake up in the morning you ask yourself "What am I willing to put up with today?" Well. Not! Fucking! THIS!
I think Qrow fits the theme as the Scarcrow when you remember his big failing is him being unwilling or unable to think for himself at first. He always just trusted Ozpin and didn't once question his seeming knowledge or plan even when everyone else he knew started to do so.
This is true, though one neat thing about RWBY is that characters can seemingly have multiple inspirations or share them, so I think it can still fit.
 
So...I was talking to a friend who also watches RWBY and apparently there was some discourse around the Qrow/Tyrian/Clover fight?

I mean, I'm not overly surprised given there seems to be a group of people determined to complain about anything related to this show, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big thing not. Particularly given my only interaction with the fandom is this thread and the rare funny video.
 
So...I was talking to a friend who also watches RWBY and apparently there was some discourse around the Qrow/Tyrian/Clover fight?

I mean, I'm not overly surprised given there seems to be a group of people determined to complain about anything related to this show, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big thing not. Particularly given my only interaction with the fandom is this thread and the rare funny video.
That wasn't rooted in the hatedom, but in a very different crowd, this video does a good job of explaining it:
 
That wasn't rooted in the hatedom, but in a very different crowd, this video does a good job of explaining it:


Ah, sorry, I should have been a bit more specific.

By discourse, I meant in the actions taken during the fight between the three characters itself rather than the dispute around the relationship between Qrow and Clover. From what my friend has told me, apparently there's been some pushback on the actions taken during the fight not making sense, particularly on the part of Qrow teaming up with Tyrian.

Now personally I think this is a silly assertion and the actions are shown to be justifiable within the show itself, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big issue or simply a small thing.
 
Now personally I think this is a silly assertion and the actions are shown to be justifiable within the show itself, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big issue or simply a small thing.
It made quite a buzz on Twitter and that scene in particular was a very huge point of contention next to the Ace-Ops fight.

One shining example is this funny video rant:
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Parappa on Twitter

“RWBY IS ONE OF THE WORST SHOWS EVER MADE LMAOOOOOOOOOOO #RWBY7spoilers https://t.co/lDjlD55eSw”
 
It made quite a buzz on Twitter and that scene in particular was a very huge point of contention next to the Ace-Ops fight.

One shining example is this funny video rant:
twitter.com

Parappa on Twitter

“RWBY IS ONE OF THE WORST SHOWS EVER MADE LMAOOOOOOOOOOO #RWBY7spoilers https://t.co/lDjlD55eSw”

Unless that title is sarcasm, it suggests that the contention comes from the hatedom and so isn't particularly worth taking seriously.

Which I suppose gives me my answer.
 
Nah. Most of it came from the Fair Game shippers, actually.

That's not what I'm being shown, is it? If you post a video that has the caption "RWBY is one of the worst shows ever made" in capital letters with LMAO and that isn't sarcasm I'm going to think it comes from the hatedom. Which means I can reasonably expect the content of the said video doesn't particularly have anything useful and is not really worth watching.
 
Okay, my apologies. I should back it up with some sort of evidence.


You'll see a collection of tweets that show equal parts outrage and disappointment from Clover shippers.

Once again:

By discourse, I meant in the actions taken during the fight between the three characters itself rather than the dispute around the relationship between Qrow and Clover.

I'm well aware that there was a dispute around Queerbaiting, pretty sure I commented on it myself in this very thread. That's not what I was asking about.
 
Once again:



I'm well aware that there was a dispute around Queerbaiting, pretty sure I commented on it myself in this very thread. That's not what I was asking about.
Sorry about that.

But yeah, playing devil's advocate, most of the complaints do seem to come from people who aren't mad at RWBY, just disappointed and want it to be better the "hatedom".
 
If what I'm taking your meaning as it's that people seem to think that Qrow teaming with Tyrian makes no sense and the results are all his fault. Which ig ores the fact Clover gave him no choice in the matter. Clover repeatedly attacked Qrow and ignored Tyrian. Qrow clearly knew Tyrian was the bigger threat and tried focusing on him. I'm sure Qrow would have willingly said "Hey let's deal with the psycho serial killer and then we can fight it out." But people just see it as Qrow throwing aside his friendship with Clover for Tyrian.
 
Ah, sorry, I should have been a bit more specific.

By discourse, I meant in the actions taken during the fight between the three characters itself rather than the dispute around the relationship between Qrow and Clover. From what my friend has told me, apparently there's been some pushback on the actions taken during the fight not making sense, particularly on the part of Qrow teaming up with Tyrian.

Now personally I think this is a silly assertion and the actions are shown to be justifiable within the show itself, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big issue or simply a small thing.
I mean depending on who you ask it's either a logical action taken in desperation thanks to Clover being unable to think for himself or it's a massive authorial fiat to kill off a character by having everyone act like idiots. It really is a matter of where you choose to meet the show.
 
Sorry about that.

But yeah, playing devil's advocate, most of the complaints do seem to come from people who aren't mad at RWBY, just disappointed and want it to be better the "hatedom".

More like people who don't understand what the show is given with "Show, Don't Tell", ignoring what is told, and think their ideas are always better.

Here is the thing, everything ever done in media could of been done better. Reciting the same points over and over again helps no one. Being rude shits helps no one. Being the loudest and/or most vocally active can hurt your point.
"Criticism" from the very vocal groups has gotten to the point where you are either someone who eats that shit up, or you are someone who is just so sick of hearing stuff that you end up tuning that group out and risk also tuning out the few that DO make decent points and present them in a much fairer and kinder manner.
Examples are like Hero Hei and his endless list of videos of nothing but drama and trying to take every shot he can at Rooster Teeth. Another example for me would also be Vexed Viewer and his crew who I blame for me trying to tune out most claims of "criticism" I have seen for Rooster Teeth and RWBY over the last 2-3 years.
 
Ah, sorry, I should have been a bit more specific.

By discourse, I meant in the actions taken during the fight between the three characters itself rather than the dispute around the relationship between Qrow and Clover. From what my friend has told me, apparently there's been some pushback on the actions taken during the fight not making sense, particularly on the part of Qrow teaming up with Tyrian.

Now personally I think this is a silly assertion and the actions are shown to be justifiable within the show itself, but I just wanted to clarify if this was a big issue or simply a small thing.
Oooh sorry for the confusion, I have seen complaints on that front even from people who like the show, but most do seem rooted in the "Will always complain" crowd more than anywhere else and I agree with you that given the circumstances it made sense and worked narratively, character wise and dramatically.
 
If what I'm taking your meaning as it's that people seem to think that Qrow teaming with Tyrian makes no sense and the results are all his fault. Which ig ores the fact Clover gave him no choice in the matter. Clover repeatedly attacked Qrow and ignored Tyrian. Qrow clearly knew Tyrian was the bigger threat and tried focusing on him. I'm sure Qrow would have willingly said "Hey let's deal with the psycho serial killer and then we can fight it out." But people just see it as Qrow throwing aside his friendship with Clover for Tyrian.

The tragedy of it is that the people complaining like that demonstrate they don't understand Clover. Hell, the episode even has Winter explain it to Penny. "General Ironwood makes the decisions and we follow." Ironwood ordered Qrow's arrest, so that's the world according to Clover. He's not going to work with one of Ironwoods enemies, even if there's a voice in the back of his head screaming 'TARGET THE CULTIST SERIAL KILLER FIRST YOU DUMB BASTARD!'. He doesn't see Qrow exposing his back to him as a sign of trust and logical priorities. He sees an opening so he takes it. And he keeps doing it.

Clover's blind loyalty destroys the loyalty of his ally and costs him his life.
 
The tragedy of it is that the people complaining like that demonstrate they don't understand Clover. Hell, the episode even has Winter explain it to Penny. "General Ironwood makes the decisions and we follow." Ironwood ordered Qrow's arrest, so that's the world according to Clover. He's not going to work with one of Ironwoods enemies, even if there's a voice in the back of his head screaming 'TARGET THE CULTIST SERIAL KILLER FIRST YOU DUMB BASTARD!'. He doesn't see Qrow exposing his back to him as a sign of trust and logical priorities. He sees an opening so he takes it. And he keeps doing it.

Clover's blind loyalty destroys the loyalty of his ally and costs him his life.
Live as a dog and die as one
 
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