RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

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This I am more OK with, though I still love the idea of one of her minions reporting back that they didn't need to do their mission as the people are already killing each other and it was going wild XD
At which point she might tell her minion to go back and throw some fuel on the fire to make sure it keeps going. That or ensure that the fire spreads a lot farther then it already did.

She doesn't have to be behind every misfortune of humanity but we have to remember; she has had a lot of time to practice her skills in this regard.
 
At which point she might tell her minion to go back and throw some fuel on the fire to make sure it keeps going. That or ensure that the fire spreads a lot farther then it already did.

She doesn't have to be behind every misfortune of humanity but we have to remember; she has had a lot of time to practice her skills in this regard.
I guess, I just feel it robs people of their own agency if she's behind everything. Plus, quite frankly, Ozpin's mission was impossible by design, or so I feel.
 
I guess, I just feel it robs people of their own agency if she's behind everything. Plus, quite frankly, Ozpin's mission was impossible by design, or so I feel.

Well I'm not sure how it robs people of their agency unless she personally pops in and spooks people into doing stuff for her.

And for Oz's mission it isn't impossible, Oz and everyone was just going about it the wrong way.
 
I just feel it robs people of their own agency if she's behind everything.
Yeah, we see that far too often in anime where the one big bad is behind everything the heroes have went through. Here, a lot of the time RWBY isn't even on Salem's radar.

And it's not surprising. I have no doubt that very little if anything about RWBY is new to her. She and her forces have dealt with Silver Eyed warriors before. They've dealt with Huntsmen before and so on.
Plus, quite frankly, Ozpin's mission was impossible by design, or so I feel.
Light and Dark Gods: "Look we needed some form of entertainment after the experiment failed."
 
Well I'm not sure how it robs people of their agency unless she personally pops in and spooks people into doing stuff for her.

And for Oz's mission it isn't impossible, Oz and everyone was just going about it the wrong way.
Depends how much influence she had I guess, admittedly though it feels like Salem didn't start pulling a Darth Sidious until recently, hence Oz and companies surprise so who knows.

I don't really agree, granted it might be possible, but I feel like it wasn't designed as something possible.

Yeah, we see that far too often in anime where the one big bad is behind everything the heroes have went through. Here, a lot of the time RWBY isn't even on Salem's radar.

And it's not surprising. I have no doubt that very little if anything about RWBY is new to her. She and her forces have dealt with Silver Eyed warriors before. They've dealt with Huntsmen before and so on.
Pretty much this, I'm not against her messing around to exacerbate problems, but I'd like for stuff like the anti expression ideology and slavery, the attempted genocide by proxy of the Faunus to all be ideas coming from people, not whispered in their ears by Salem or one of her agents I guess.

Light and Dark Gods: "Look we needed some form of entertainment after the experiment failed."
I can legit see them being like this to be honest XD
 
Pretty much this, I'm not against her messing around to exacerbate problems, but I'd like for stuff like the anti expression ideology and slavery, the attempted genocide by proxy of the Faunus to all be ideas coming from people, not whispered in their ears by Salem or one of her agents I guess.

the ideology and slavery were most likely humanity's idea, and Salem just made use of that. why make knew problems when she can easily manipulate current problems.
 
Salem probably won't kill the Arch Duke but she will most certainly sabotage any attempts to prevent the war.

Also, as we seen with the WF, one of her big tricks is to help the wrong people get into power.
 
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Salem probably won't kill the Arch Duke but she will most certainly sabotage any attempts to prevent the war.

Also, as we seen with the WF, one of her big tricks is to help the wrong people get into power.
These are true facts, though at the same time, Oz and companies total inability to even grasp what Salem was doing always gave me the impression these were new strategies for her, though maybe that is unrealistic.

honestly, with Watts on hand Salem probably could of done some damage by keeping the internet up and running
Possibly, but if people can share negative things about each other they can also share messages of hope and ask for aid which doesn't serve her well.
 
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The amount of people complaining this needs to be stated in show is hilarious. I mean, there's missing the subtext, and then there's plugging your ears and going 'LALALACAN'THEARYOU' every time they interact... Or talk about each other... Or when somebody talks about them...
 
So you're telling me there's still a chance for my OT3 then?:V

Jokes aside, hopefully this is a sign that they'll say something more concrete next volume.
Considering their reaction was basically "I'm not sure if we're allowed to confirm that" either they plan on stating canonically soon or they've been told not to give solid answers about that sort of thing to avoid the cast accidentally confirming things that aren't true. Now it's likely the first thing, but given how parts of the fan community react to anything considered a "retcon" they're likely just playing it safe.
 
These are true facts, though at the same time, Oz and companies total inability to even grasp what Salem was doing always gave me the impression these were new strategies for her, though maybe that is unrealistic.

It seems to me that it is the first time that Salem goes out of her way to manufacture a whole incidente, and the Fall of Beacon was basically made from the ground up by Cinder, even the presence of the WF was as muscle as she didn't try to inflame racial tensions in Vale, Salem normal MO seems to me like to be more what she did in Atlas, take an already existing problem and have a couple of agents just pour gas into the fire and leave everyone to tear eachother appart, hell, until she learned that Opin and the Lamp were heading to there was just to leave it to blow up on it's own.

And I think that Ozpin's presence here is the trigger, Salem only goes out her way to target Ozpin no one else, that is why she stayed a secret for so long, as long as no one else knows about her the fight remains between her and Ozpin, and their respective minions, everyone else is just unimportant no need to go out of their way to target them, they only die if they get caught in the crossfire.
 
I agree with the sentiment that it is silly to make Salem the root of literally all of Remnant's problems. However, it would be equally silly if she wasn't responsible for several major incidents. Otherwise, what the hell is she doing with her time? Knitting?
 
I agree with the sentiment that it is silly to make Salem the root of literally all of Remnant's problems. However, it would be equally silly if she wasn't responsible for several major incidents. Otherwise, what the hell is she doing with her time? Knitting?

Well...someone made her new outfit.
 
It seems to me that it is the first time that Salem goes out of her way to manufacture a whole incidente, and the Fall of Beacon was basically made from the ground up by Cinder, even the presence of the WF was as muscle as she didn't try to inflame racial tensions in Vale, Salem normal MO seems to me like to be more what she did in Atlas, take an already existing problem and have a couple of agents just pour gas into the fire and leave everyone to tear eachother appart, hell, until she learned that Opin and the Lamp were heading to there was just to leave it to blow up on it's own.

And I think that Ozpin's presence here is the trigger, Salem only goes out her way to target Ozpin no one else, that is why she stayed a secret for so long, as long as no one else knows about her the fight remains between her and Ozpin, and their respective minions, everyone else is just unimportant no need to go out of their way to target them, they only die if they get caught in the crossfire.
Goo insights there, that does make a lot of sense and would explain some discrepancies without making either Salem look passive or Ozpin and company like idiots with no ability to pay attention.

Good points/sights there too, it fits well.

I agree with the sentiment that it is silly to make Salem the root of literally all of Remnant's problems. However, it would be equally silly if she wasn't responsible for several major incidents. Otherwise, what the hell is she doing with her time? Knitting?
This is very fair ad true, also hilariously put X
 
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*facepalms*
ok scrolling through my youtube recommendations and I see a theory video from Phoenix/Night
"Glynda herself IS the Relic of Choice"
like....why.....?
just because he emblem is a crown or something?

Now to be fair I've never watched one of his videos before.
Think we should take the dive and check it out?



OK watched it, but forgot to write bullet points
so I'll just drop the comment I left on the video (which I finished and sent before the video itself was done)
"a few problems.
I am pretty sure the Relic Spirits would be at the least Neutral in the conflict. Like if we see Cinder Summon Jinn I am pretty sure that Knowledge would still comply and answer the question asked. There is no real reason for the Relics to really side with Oz over anyone else.
Another problem with this theory is her interactions with Ironwood. Back in volume 2 when she has a little heart to heart with Ironwood she does not come off as someone keeping secrets and is rather concerned with James. She states that she does not feel that Oz is keeping them (her and James) in the dark, that James is a good man, and she states that James should start showing trust instead of talking about it, and that Ozpin has experience that the both of them lack."
 
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I think the above idea is interesting, though I am unsure how ambivalent the Relic Spirits are, I agree that Glynda probably isn't the Relic of Choice as she doesn't seem to resemble Jinn in nature and honestly none of her actions seem to tie into choice that much, she mostly rolls her eyes and does whatever Ozpin wants.

Also, taxes!

Subverting Tropes & a Theory
 
I think the above idea is interesting, though I am unsure how ambivalent the Relic Spirits are, I agree that Glynda probably isn't the Relic of Choice as she doesn't seem to resemble Jinn in nature and honestly none of her actions seem to tie into choice that much, she mostly rolls her eyes and does whatever Ozpin wants.

Also, taxes!


Ben Franklin once said '...But in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes.'

In Remnant, it death, taxes and Grimm.
 
I think the above idea is interesting, though I am unsure how ambivalent the Relic Spirits are, I agree that Glynda probably isn't the Relic of Choice as she doesn't seem to resemble Jinn in nature and honestly none of her actions seem to tie into choice that much, she mostly rolls her eyes and does whatever Ozpin wants.

Also, taxes!


And then there's Raven, who even when she earned an honest living claimed that taxes were an oppressive way to keep the strong down, but truthfully she never learned how to do taxes and was too embarrassed to admit it.
 
imagine if Salem let Summer live with just a maiming (no eyes and the beating of her life)
how do you think the tale of the Dragon Rose household would of gone, then?
 
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