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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • That said, there seems to be a bit of sketch behind this. The contest, not the University.
    There's a twitter post.
    TL;DR, the contest doesn't properly compensate the artists. Even if the students don't win anything, RT will still have full rights over the work they submitted, meaning that RT gains everything while the student, unless they're a huge fan of RWBY and that design is used somewhere, gains nothing else but exposure. It's essentially the corporate equivalent of that one commissioner that only pays artists in "exposure".
     
    Psyga315 said:
    That said, there seems to be a bit of sketch behind this. The contest, not the University.
    There's a twitter post.
    TL;DR, the contest doesn't properly compensate the artists. Even if the students don't win anything, RT will still have full rights over the work they submitted, meaning that RT gains everything while the student, unless they're a huge fan of RWBY and that design is used somewhere, gains nothing else but exposure. It's essentially the corporate equivalent of that one commissioner that only pays artists in "exposure".
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    Well hopefully the students are aware of that. Unfortunate that RT would do that though.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    That said, there seems to be a bit of sketch behind this. The contest, not the University.
    There's a twitter post.
    TL;DR, the contest doesn't properly compensate the artists. Even if the students don't win anything, RT will still have full rights over the work they submitted, meaning that RT gains everything while the student, unless they're a huge fan of RWBY and that design is used somewhere, gains nothing else but exposure. It's essentially the corporate equivalent of that one commissioner that only pays artists in "exposure".
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    While I am hoping this is not the case, and it remains a possibility, the key factor many are overlooking is the University side of things which is going to be much less open to the public.

    This is, after all, a specific partnership. That generally means the University itself does something such as allowing a persons involvement to be included on transcripts, used as project work or giving accreditation of some kind.

    After all, people need some kind of incentive to actually participate in such a project in the first place and the unspecified prize pack is unlikely to be much of a draw on its own.
     
    Marco said:
    While I am hoping this is not the case, and it remains a possibility, the key factor many are overlooking is the University side of things which is going to be much less open to the public.

    This is, after all, a specific partnership. That generally means the University itself does something such as allowing a persons involvement to be included on transcripts, used as project work or giving accreditation of some kind.

    After all, people need some kind of incentive to actually participate in such a project in the first place and the unspecified prize pack is unlikely to be much of a draw on its own.
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    Yeah, like if RT wanted to use this contest as a hoax to hoard free IP with then they could have just made it open for anyone. Heck it's not like they've had any problem with just talking to fanartists who've already made Grimm artwork and striking a deal to get those designs put in the show, like they did with the Manticores. There's already tons of OC Grimm designs out there, both 2D and 3D so it's not like they're facing a shortage on new designs. The real bottleneck is actually having time to let new Grimm types have proper fight scenes in the show.

    This seems more like it's intended to find promising new animators to forge connections with so that when they finish their studies they can be fasttracked into the company if they want to work there.

    Sunder the Gold said:
    I wildly misinterpreted that. I thought you meant their minds would be the raw substance, like psychic Soylent Green.
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    Using that as a concept for a new Grimm type would be pretty dope though. I'm reminded of Xykon and the memory spirit idea.

    Xykon: When I'm done with you, memories are all that'll be left.
    Xykon: Other people's, that is. I'm not going to turn you into, like, some sort of memory spirit or something.
    Xykon: Though that sounds pretty metal, actually. I should make someone research it.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    That said, there seems to be a bit of sketch behind this. The contest, not the University.
    There's a twitter post.
    TL;DR, the contest doesn't properly compensate the artists. Even if the students don't win anything, RT will still have full rights over the work they submitted, meaning that RT gains everything while the student, unless they're a huge fan of RWBY and that design is used somewhere, gains nothing else but exposure. It's essentially the corporate equivalent of that one commissioner that only pays artists in "exposure".
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    Do contests usually pay people for entering them?
     
    On top of that aren't students at an art school the one group of people who want exposure over payment? I mean money is nice, but if you're a student just getting your name out to companies is sort of a goal onto itself.
     
    What is sketch about Full Sail?
    it is a very legit place that covers a number of topics.
    Heck they have a partnership with freaking WWE! They have a base there. XD

    If anything it sounds like people are once again fishing for reasons to bitch about CRWBY and RWBY. -.-
    I know we've all been quarantined for a long time at this point so some might be getting cabin fever, but come on guys. Get it together.
     
    Pugman said:
    What is sketch about Full Sail?
    it is a very legit place that covers a number of topics.
    Heck they have a partnership with freaking WWE! They have a base there. XD

    If anything it sounds like people are once again fishing for reasons to bitch about CRWBY and RWBY. -.-
    I know we've all been quarantined for a long time at this point so some might be getting cabin fever, but come on guys. Get it together.
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    While I have no doubt some of the people bringing this up have less than good intentions, it doesn't change that it is a real issue where people aren't adequately compensated for their work, especially within the art community.

    Now, I don't believe RT or CRWBY have bad intentions or are looking to screw people over. But this doesn't mean they can't make mistakes or overlook something. Now, third parties teaming up with Universities for programs isn't uncommon and happens across a wide number of disciplines. Heck, I took part in some third-party programs when I went to university, and while I was not paid, the University made sure that participation was worth it by backing me up and adding legitimacy to my participation in those programs by including them in my transcripts - which was very helpful when I went into the field.

    I hope something like that has happened here, really any of the things I've suggested previously would be useful to students, and it doesn't hurt to check to make sure.
     
    Pugman said:
    But given the resulting product (NXT and the Performance Center) it is a very good sign.


    Anyway back to RWBY
    How many episodes do we think it will take before Oscar reunites with the others?
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    Depends on what they ultimately decide to do with his separation, but I'd hope late season would be Oscar being able to reunite with the others, giving time to explore his character and his relationship to Ozpin/Osma more.
     
    daedalus725 said:
    I'd love more time with my boy
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    It's one of the things I think the show genuinely needs and should have ideally done back in Volume Six. While I like Oscar's character, we haven't gotten a whole lot of time to just see him and get to really know him. Things like small habits, likes or dislikes, distinctive things to lose so that his struggle with his identity and becoming Ozpin had more of an impact. The situation we've been presented with offers an opportunity for Oscar to define himself more and I think the show would benefit from that.
     
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    This all but confirms Salem was involved in the Great War, if not outright started it.



    "But it's just a thumbnail" featuring the two most major players of the war, yes.
     
    Zam said:
    I always hated the idea personally, having Salem be responsible for every conflict feels annoying.
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    Well it makes sense for her to start or ensure that any massive conflict happens so that humanity will not be united until she gets the relics, since she knows the instant that happens Ozpin/Ozma will use the relics to call down the gods show them his good work and then they will clean up the rest including her.
     
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    For me I just think Salem just ignited the spark to the pile of kindling that was pre great war politics. Like how assassination of the Arch Duke Ferdinand by Serbian nationalist was the spark to ignite the WW1.
     
    For my part I'd suspect that Salem didn't just ignite the spark but encouraged and did her best to grow the pile of kindling as well as throwing gasoline on said pile.
     
    Zam said:
    I always hated the idea personally, having Salem be responsible for every conflict feels annoying.
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    Well even if she is involved in various incidents across history that does not mean she is always the sole reason for events happening. Sometimes she could just be slightly and covertly nudging history a certain way, just like how Oz would be trying to guide humanity the other way. Humanity is already good at hurting itself, so while Oz would be the type to try and stop/prevent it, Salem and her followers would be the ones whispering "Do it! Do it!" in the right ears.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Well it makes sense for her to start or ensure that any massive conflict happens so that humanity will not be united until she gets the relics, since she knows the instant that happens Ozpin/Ozma will use the relics to call down the gods show them his good work and then they will clean up the rest including her.
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    Oh I understand how it can make sense per her motivations, I just dislike the idea of her being a puppet master behind every shitty thing people did.

    MonochromeXClown said:
    For me I just think Salem just ignited the spark to the pile of kindling that was pre great war politics. Like how assassination of the Arch Duke Ferdinand by Serbian nationalist was the spark to ignite the WW1.
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    This I am more OK with, though I still love the idea of one of her minions reporting back that they didn't need to do their mission as the people are already killing each other and it was going wild XD

    Pugman said:
    Well even if she is involved in various incidents across history that does not mean she is always the sole reason for events happening. Sometimes she could just be slightly and covertly nudging history a certain way, just like how Oz would be trying to guide humanity the other way. Humanity is already good at hurting itself, so while Oz would be the type to try and stop/prevent it, Salem and her followers would be the ones whispering "Do it! Do it!" in the right ears.
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    Maybe, I'm not saying she'd have not exaggerated it but... (Waves hand) I dunno,
     
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