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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • Leingod said:
    The former is pretty common, but I don't think it's a common thing in most fandoms to have such a vocal minority of the latter, with so much content dedicated to talking about how irredeemably shitty and awful RWBY is. At least, I've never seen anywhere near so much for any other fandom I've participated in. How many fandoms do you know have a separate hashtag/label (RWDE) dedicated solely to hating on it?
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    Actually, a handful of other series on Tumblr do have tags entirely dedicated to hating on them, usually "(series name) critical". Steven Universe, Homestuck, and similar series are pretty bad about it. And the recent Voltron series got so bad that apparently people in the fandom started calling it "V-slur", that's how much they disliked the ending.
     
    Delphisage said:
    I just really wish this show was even good enough for all this criticism to be worth it.
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    It seems to be, given you're here and all.


    It's rather depressing that people hit what I experienced on the head so squarely and so quickly and I do wonder if it's a consequence of being the Youtube generation. People increasingly seem to miss the difference between critique and complaint.

    I'm not a hardcore fan of this franchise, as mentioned previously I returned a few months ago after watching up through most of season two a few years ago, getting busy, then not caring enough to return until I had an extended period of free time on my hands. Then I watched seasons 1-6 over the course of a week.

    And you know what? Fairly solid show, 7/10. Interesting concepts, firm enough story, good execution, direction was solid and the tonal shift was handled well which is actually really hard to do.

    Nothing groundbreaking or without its flaws, but a solid show none the less.

    So I wander into the fandom. Maybe there's a story or two to read on my off hours, you know?

    Nope, headfirst into so much whine you want to ask them if they'd like cheese with it and you wonder why they even bother to watch the show in the first place. Sheesh, only a fandom can claim a character they hardly knew or saw beforehand is "ruined" when it turns out they don't meet the image built in their head.
     
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    Marco said:
    It seems to be, given you're here and all.


    It's rather depressing that people hit what I experienced on the head so squarely and so quickly and I do wonder if it's a consequence of being the Youtube generation. People increasingly seem to miss the difference between critique and complaint.

    I'm not a hardcore fan of this franchise, as mentioned previously I returned a few months ago after watching up through most of season two a few years ago, getting busy, then not caring enough to return until I had an extended period of free time on my hands. Then I watched seasons 1-6 over the course of a week.

    And you know what? Fairly solid show. 7/10. Interesting concepts, firm enough story and execution, direction was solid and the tonal shift was handled well which is actually really hard to do.

    Nothing groundbreaking or without its flaws, but a solid show none the less.

    So I wander into the fandom. Maybe there's a story or two to read on my off hours, you know?

    Nope, headfirst into so much whine you want to ask them if they'd like cheese with it. You wonder why they even bother to watch the show in the first place. Sheesh, only a fandom can claim a character they hardly knew or saw beforehand is "ruined" when it turns out they don't meet the image built in their head.
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    The problem is that a small handful of actually smart and talented people made their bones creating comedy shows dedicated to ripping into bad films by using exaggeration and humor that focused on minor details to expose the larger flaws in the product. The thing was most of them had a degree of talent, an understanding of the language of film, and most of all a sense of humor. Now there are a legion of jackasses who lack all of that who have come to the conclusion that long winded rants equals intellectual reasoning and have acted on this though process.
     
    Marco said:
    It seems to be, given you're here and all.
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    No, that's more of an indicator that I have no idea what to do with my time. Plus the fact that this show is free and doesn't require a streaming service to watch, since I don't own a credit card or Paypal to pay for that kind of thing.
     
    Delphisage said:
    No, that's more of an indicator that I have no idea what to do with my time. Plus the fact that this show is free and doesn't require a streaming service to watch, since I don't own a credit card or Paypal to pay for that kind of thing.
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    I mean no disrespect, but I've been on the Internet a wee bit too long for the whole "this show has no value and it sucks" but you still watch it bit. If you really wanted to, you could very easily find another show, or book or game to occupy that that time that met your limited economic resources because the Internet is a vast place.

    I know what it's like to not like something and generally my response is to limit my exposure to that thing. I might, say, make a single post on a forum saying why I don't like it and have a discussion with people stemming from that post, but after that I'm usually done - like with the last season of GOT. Even at my most bored I'm not going to waste my time on something I dislike.

    So I never understand the appeal to going to a place saying how something sucks but then still watching it and pretending it has no value.

    If it didn't, you wouldn't be here.
     
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    Delphisage said:
    But anime scares me.
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    Honestly, @Marco put it better than I probably will, but like... dude. If you think something is terrible and is not of worth, just stop watching it. I'm not active in, like, Game of Thrones threads, and you know why? Because I watched a season, it was not my speed at all, so I stopped. Because that's what you logically do with something that you don't enjoy to the level that you're making posts on a forum to talk about how it sucks and is bad. There's room for like, constructive criticism, and talking about how you think something could be improved or made good, but that is a totally different thing than the post you made and consistently make in this thread. If you feel that RWBY has basically no redeeming qualities, then it isn't for you. And that's fine. No show is going to be for everyone. Like, there is enough entertainment on the internet, even legally, that I'm sure there's plenty of things that would be your speed and that you would find worth your time. Why spend your time doing this?
     
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    • to make sure we're all on the same page
    @Delphisage has been infracted and permanently threadbanned for violating Rule 4: Don't Be Disruptive. Further quoting and replying to them is unlikely to be productive at this time.

    Thank you for your time, and please have a pleasant day~
     
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    • I really hope season 7 explains why Ozpin didn't just kill Salem when he already had all the relics in one spot previously(and that the writers even realize this needs to be explained) because it's hard to care about a standard macguffin quest when a person already had the macguffins once and didn't use them.

    Speaking of Ozpin, I hope someone finds a way to take him out for good soon; he's one of the most obnoxious and uninteresting characters in the whole show.
     
    no. said:
    I really hope season 7 explains why Ozpin didn't just kill Salem when he already had all the relics in one spot previously(and that the writers even realize this needs to be explained) because it's hard to care about a standard macguffin quest when a person already had the macguffins once and didn't use them.

    Speaking of Ozpin, I hope someone finds a way to take him out for good soon; he's one of the most obnoxious and uninteresting characters in the whole show.
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    Um, when did he have them all together? Also given Jinn said he can't destroy Salem he may have just assumed the Relics couldn't deal with Salem (Though Jinn may have meant he was unwilling to use them and just not said so in those words) cos she is just that powerful.
     
    no. said:
    I really hope season 7 explains why Ozpin didn't just kill Salem when he already had all the relics in one spot previously(and that the writers even realize this needs to be explained) because it's hard to care about a standard macguffin quest when a person already had the macguffins once and didn't use them.

    Speaking of Ozpin, I hope someone finds a way to take him out for good soon; he's one of the most obnoxious and uninteresting characters in the whole show.
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    The Relics aren't made to kill Salem, they're made to summon the Two Brothers, which will judge if humanity deserves to continue existing or not, given the current state of affairs in Remnant that would be a Bad Thing

    Salem wants to get the Relics because the Brothers will probably obliterate humanity and, maybe if she's lucky, also her. Ozpin wants to get the relics to hide them to try and continue his quest for world peace, most likely.
     
    Zam said:
    Um, when did he have them all together? Also given Jinn said he can't destroy Salem he may have just assumed the Relics couldn't deal with Salem (Though Jinn may have meant he was unwilling to use them and just not said so in those words) cos she is just that powerful.

    Edit: oh yeah, right, the evil gods. Dunno how that slipped my mind. My bad.
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    But if she's too powerful for the relics to defeat her, why are they even gathering them?

    And I could have sworn it was mentioned that Ozpin used to have them all in one place at some point, but later scattered them so they'd be harder to steal.

    Edit: oh yeah, right, the evil gods. Dunno how that slipped my mind. My bad.
     
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    But if she's too powerful for the relics to defeat her, why are they even gathering them?

    And I could have sworn it was mentioned that Ozpin used to have them all in one place at some point, but later scattered them so they'd be harder to steal.

    Edit: oh yeah, right, the evil gods. Dunno how that slipped my mind. My bad.
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    They aren't, they're trying to lock them up out of Salem's reach.

    While Ozpin did indeed possess all the Relics, as noted if he brought them together everyone gets murdered by the genocide brothers, so he stored them in the different academies.

    Aldrin said:
    Salem wants to get the Relics because the Brothers will probably obliterate humanity and, maybe if she's lucky, also her. Ozpin wants to get the relics to hide them to try and continue his quest for world peace, most likely.
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    I still don't necessarily think this is the case, it might be, but I feel we don't know enough to say it for sure.
     
    no. said:
    But if she's too powerful for the relics to defeat her, why are they even gathering them?
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    They're not gathering them. The Relics are pre-gathered.

    They didn't want to take the Lamp out of Haven's vault; it was the villains who wanted to do that. The heroes wanted the Spring Maiden so they could ensure the vault stayed locked.

    They're not going to Atlas to get the Staff of Creation, they're going to Atlas to lock up the Lamp because they can't lock the Haven vault.
     
    Sunder the Gold said:
    They're not going to Atlas to get the Staff of Creation, they're going to Atlas to lock up the Lamp because they can't lock the Haven vault.
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    That's the plan...

    Of course, plans will go horribly wrong.

    Makes you wonder what would have happened if Yang pressured Raven into locking the Vault rather than let her go.
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    I really hope season 7 explains why Ozpin didn't just kill Salem when he already had all the relics in one spot previously(and that the writers even realize this needs to be explained) because it's hard to care about a standard macguffin quest when a person already had the macguffins once and didn't use them.
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    I hope they explain why Salem doesn't just gun for the Relics in a Post-Infinity War story. She's immortal and if Ozpin is to be believed, her existance would only cause more panic, not unify people against her.

    Yes, there's the Maidens, but Salem has enough manpower to fix that issue quite nicely.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Of course, plans will go horribly wrong.

    Makes you wonder what would have happened if Yang pressured Raven into locking the Vault rather than let her go.
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    Raven keeps the huge target on her back and has to remain constantly watch out for Salem's minions now that the news on her being the maiden flew the coop. Haven's vault just isn't secure anymore until a new maiden is chosen.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    She's immortal and if Ozpin is to be believed, her existance would only cause more panic, not unify people against her.
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    Ozpin has never explicitly explained why he doesn't reveal Salem's existence. Though I think that's not inaccurate.

    It would be more accurate to say that Ozpin can't prove Salem's existence, because the only evidence he can use is to reveal the existence of the Seasonal Maidens or the Relics, and he needs to keep all of those secret from the world so that normal villains don't try to murder/steal them.

    And if Ozpin did manage to convince people that Salem existed, no one would know where she is.

    But if Salem's existence and location became known, the panic would be manageable. But that's not something Ozpin needs to worry about, because she doesn't want to reveal herself.
     
    Psyga315 said:
    I hope they explain why Salem doesn't just gun for the Relics in a Post-Infinity War story. She's immortal and if Ozpin is to be believed, her existance would only cause more panic, not unify people against her.

    Yes, there's the Maidens, but Salem has enough manpower to fix that issue quite nicely.
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    I mean... wasn't that what the post credits scene last volume was? The equivalent of Thanos' Avengers 2 'I'll do it myself' scene?
     
    Mahrac said:
    Raven keeps the huge target on her back and has to remain constantly watch out for Salem's minions now that the news on her being the maiden flew the coop. Haven's vault just isn't secure anymore until a new maiden is chosen.
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    Simple answer then. One Yang probably isn't willing to do.
    hellgodsrus said:
    I mean... wasn't that what the post credits scene last volume was? The equivalent of Thanos' Avengers 2 'I'll do it myself' scene?
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    Okay, easier question:

    What stopped her from doing it earlier?
     
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