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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

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    • Mook said:
    It can possess rocks, trees and giant suits of armor. So yes definitively. But in practice no Geist is going to get near that thing. I am hoping that Salem has a bunch of big burgly gargoyles scattered across her castle though. Possessed statues are such a fun way of making a place more heavily defended (and under heavier surveillance) than it appears.
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    Are you kidding? It would be freaking awesome for the protagonists to fight a animated statue of Pyrrha. Gargoyles are old hat. Especially with some Emerald fuckery making the statue look more like actual Pyrrha and letting out screams of pain every time it's attacked.



    Speaking of emerald, am I the only one who finds her motivation incredibly uncompelling? She claims that Cinder gave her everything, but that's not true. At all. Like Let's ignore for a moment that she is a complete dumbass when living on the streets, that she's somehow unlocked her semblance by herself but can't get into a combat school that would give her three squares? Okay, but even ignoring that stupidity, Cinder didn't really give her anything. At all. We don't see her life having improved in any sort of quality, and all Cinder has done is insult her since day one. It's almost comical.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Speaking of emerald, am I the only one who finds her motivation incredibly uncompelling? She claims that Cinder gave her everything, but that's not true. At all. Like Let's ignore for a moment that she is a complete dumbass when living on the streets, that she's somehow unlocked her semblance by herself but can't get into a combat school that would give her three squares? Okay, but even ignoring that stupidity, Cinder didn't really give her anything. At all. We don't see her life having improved in any sort of quality, and all Cinder has done is insult her since day one. It's almost comical.
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    Cinder offered her food.

    Who wouldn't want to work for her after that? :p
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Cinder offered her food.

    Who wouldn't want to work for her after that? :p
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    Honestly I feel like like this a fundamental misunderstanding of Emerald's character, though maybe I am reading her wrong but there's two things to consider.

    1. Cinder probably did at least live up on the promise of improving Emerald's quality of life, IE food, a bed, not having to worry about being murdered or abused while sleeping on the streets ETC.

    But far more importantly.

    2. Cinder is an abuser and manipulator, we straight up know she hits Emerald if Emerald talks out of turn to her, so it is only natural that she's been gaslighting Emerald into thinking she's nothing without Cinder into thinking she owes Cinder everything, because that's how abusers work.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Are you kidding? It would be freaking awesome for the protagonists to fight a animated statue of Pyrrha. Gargoyles are old hat. Especially with some Emerald fuckery making the statue look more like actual Pyrrha and letting out screams of pain every time it's attacked.



    Speaking of emerald, am I the only one who finds her motivation incredibly uncompelling? She claims that Cinder gave her everything, but that's not true. At all. Like Let's ignore for a moment that she is a complete dumbass when living on the streets, that she's somehow unlocked her semblance by herself but can't get into a combat school that would give her three squares? Okay, but even ignoring that stupidity, Cinder didn't really give her anything. At all. We don't see her life having improved in any sort of quality, and all Cinder has done is insult her since day one. It's almost comical.
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    I think at this point Emerald sticks with Cinder in the hopes of getting to fuck her at some point.
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly I feel like like this a fundamental misunderstanding of Emerald's character, though maybe I am reading her wrong but there's two things to consider.

    1. Cinder probably did at least live up on the promise of improving Emerald's quality of life, IE food, a bed, not having to worry about being murdered or abused while sleeping on the streets ETC.

    But far more importantly.

    2. Cinder is an abuser and manipulator, we straight up know she hits Emerald if Emerald talks out of turn to her, so it is only natural that she's been gaslighting Emerald into thinking she's nothing without Cinder into thinking she owes Cinder everything, because that's how abusers work.
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    Oh god it's adam and blake all over again except this blake doesn't want to leave
     
    I was thinking Saruman of many colors also known Sharky and Wormtongue myself which turned out rather badly for Saruman in the end.
     
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    • WhoAmEye said:
    He said I was justifying Jaune's actions, and I was not, and he consistently ignored me asking him to explain where I had said that. I'm not particularly fond of people putting words in my mouth that I never said.
    I hope that works as an explanation. If ignoring him is the best way to deal with his disruptive posting, then I'll do that.
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    • WhoAmEye said:
    Oh god it's adam and blake all over again except this blake doesn't want to leave
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    Oooh good insights there, yeah that sums it up quite well. Heck, keep in mind it wasn't what he did to her that made Blake leave, but what he did to other people. We know Emerald can feel guilt regarding this but she doesn't come from a place of 'doing justice' like Blake did and add in Salem's looming visage, plus likely never having had anything better or healthier than Cinder she can't imagine life without her and is too scared to try.

    But yeah, I often feel like a point is missed with Emerald (I think it is the point anyway) that when Emerald insists Cinder made her life better, has given her all this wonderful stuff ETC, we aren't... You know, meant to think she's right, we're meant to see she's lying to herself and being lied to, not weigh up the cost, benefit ratios like accountants tabulating whether staying with Cinder is a good investment.
     
    Zam said:
    Honestly I feel like like this a fundamental misunderstanding of Emerald's character, though maybe I am reading her wrong but there's two things to consider.

    1. Cinder probably did at least live up on the promise of improving Emerald's quality of life, IE food, a bed, not having to worry about being murdered or abused while sleeping on the streets ETC.

    But far more importantly.

    2. Cinder is an abuser and manipulator, we straight up know she hits Emerald if Emerald talks out of turn to her, so it is only natural that she's been gaslighting Emerald into thinking she's nothing without Cinder into thinking she owes Cinder everything, because that's how abusers work.
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    On point one, there really isn't much evidence that Cinder can provide regular food and bed.


    Since we are talking about motivations, let's talk Mercury's. To date I haven't seen anyone bring up that some random guy is literally able to steal and aspect of your soul. That's straight-up God of Darkness territory right there, and some random no name got it? Even Oz can't take back Powers after he's given them away, and Marcus black can? Jesus Christ that is literally the most broken semblance out there. And it makes Mercury's accomplishments even more amazing, that mercury managed to kill his dad without a semblance, and Marcus presumably utilising his and others he has stolen.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    That would legit be a better motivation than her stated one.
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    I'd think at this point the subtext would be pretty clear, but it'd be both funny and tragic if she finally finds Cinder and confesses her love on for Cinder to blow her off.

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    Since we are talking about motivations, let's talk Mercury's. To date I haven't seen anyone bring up that some random guy is literally able to steal and aspect of your soul. That's straight-up God of Darkness territory right there, and some random no name got it? Even Oz can't take back Powers after he's given them away, and Marcus black can? Jesus Christ that is literally the most broken semblance out there. And it makes Mercury's accomplishments even more amazing, that mercury managed to kill his dad without a semblance, and Marcus presumably utilising his and others he has stolen.
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    I mean is it any more random than guys like Sylar and All For One? If anything it expands the world out more because it means that just some random guy had this Earth-shaking power, despite not being a central character or really all that important. It does help explain why Cinder went out of her way to find Marcus. His powers would have made them fairly untouchable.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    some random no name got it?
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    Some random no name dead person.

    VolantRedX said:
    I mean is it any more random than guys like Sylar and All For One?
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    Think he means in the sense of "how come this OP dude isn't one of the major antagonists". Because the difference between him and those villains are that we didn't get introduced to their corpse and that's that.

    As for being untouchable... At least until he decides to All For One her.
     
    Speaking of power stealing, did Mercury mean that his semblance was turned off, or, taken to be used (as in his father can use the powers he steals)?
     
    Psyga315 said:
    Think he means in the sense of "how come this OP dude isn't one of the major antagonists". Because the difference between him and those villains are that we didn't get introduced to their corpse and that's that.
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    Actually that is a larger problem with the show's villains. They keep creating interesting characters or interesting concepts, only to eliminate them in the same episode. Tock? That semblance of hers was broken AF and she could have been a neat puzzle boss for the heroes to figure out. Especially if she is able to min-max it. And how can we forget Sienna, who some people claim is a more moderate example of the White Fang. I personally disagree, but they could have done something with her character and it was a very good design. And while Marcus Black is still a complete nobody, apparently he literally has the power to steal semblances? According to Mercury it's permanent because he still doesn't have a semblance.
     
    Serval said:
    Speaking of power stealing, did Mercury mean that his semblance was turned off, or, taken to be used (as in his father can use the powers he steals)?
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    Nope. That's just the way RWBY exposition is.

    They tell you just enough to get the idea, but not enough for you to get the specifics.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Actually that is a larger problem with the show's villains. They keep creating interesting characters or interesting concepts, only to eliminate them in the same episode. Tock? That semblance of hers was broken AF and she could have been a neat puzzle boss for the heroes to figure out. Especially if she is able to min-max it. And how can we forget Sienna, who some people claim is a more moderate example of the White Fang. I personally disagree, but they could have done something with her character and it was a very good design. And while Marcus Black is still a complete nobody, apparently he literally has the power to steal semblances? According to Mercury it's permanent because he still doesn't have a semblance.
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    Well with Tock at least she'd be like 90 when it came to the current heroes so watching a team of 5 teenagers in their prime beat up an old lady who keeps thinking they're her grandkids would just be sad. And while I agree some more could have come from Sienna being around it seems like the show as a whole wants to move past the White Fang as a thing in favor of just focusing on Adam trying to kill Blake so frankly stringing her along wouldn't have lead anywhere in my mind. Any resolution in her story was already done with Illia or Adam. Either she decides that wanton murder isn't exactly a great way to win hearts and minds and turns good, or she goes nuts and ends up alienating the very people she was trying to ostensibly help. Or she dies at a different time and place. Really at this point, RWBY needs fewer characters involved in the story, not more.

    Psyga315 said:
    Nope. That's just the way RWBY exposition is.

    They tell you just enough to get the idea, but not enough for you to get the specifics.
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    To be fair any time they try and get specific it's either stupid, contradictory, or accused of being such. They seem to work best with as few established rules as possible.

    Serval said:
    Maybe something like Amon from Legend of Korra? He gives the impresion that he steals powers when hes actually turning them off.
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    Amon's thing was never about stealing powers, just that he disguised his more mundane power as something spiritual to inspire awe.
     
    Serval said:
    Maybe something like Amon from Legend of Korra? He gives the impresion that he steals powers when hes actually turning them off.
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    I think there's a good chance of that yeah.
    VolantRedX said:
    And while I agree some more could have come from Sienna being around it seems like the show as a whole wants to move past the White Fang as a thing in favor of just focusing on Adam trying to kill Blake so frankly stringing her along wouldn't have lead anywhere in my mind. Any resolution in her story was already done with Illia or Adam. Either she decides that wanton murder isn't exactly a great way to win hearts and minds and turns good, or she goes nuts and ends up alienating the very people she was trying to ostensibly help. Or she dies at a different time and place. Really at this point, RWBY needs fewer characters involved in the story, not more.
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    I don't really agree with this and feel it oversimplifies the issue by basically making it "wanton murder" or "peace and hugs" with no middle ground.
    VolantRedX said:
    Amon's thing was never about stealing powers, just that he disguised his more mundane power as something spiritual to inspire awe.
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    I think that is what they said?
     
    VolantRedX said:
    Well with Tock at least she'd be like 90 when it came to the current heroes so watching a team of 5 teenagers in their prime beat up an old lady who keeps thinking they're her grandkids would just be sad.
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    You kidding? The entire show is 'TV Tropes the not!anime.' A nonagenerian kicking the crap out of a bunch of punk kids is practically a requirement.
     
    I really hate when writers come up with cool stuff for the lore but can't be bothered to do that on screen.

    Minor background character marcus black gets the coolest ability in the series?

    Ugh. When your lore is way more interesting than your story, switch it around
     
    devilkingx2 said:
    I really hate when writers come up with cool stuff for the lore but can't be bothered to do that on screen.

    Minor background character marcus black gets the coolest ability in the series?

    Ugh. When your lore is way more interesting than your story, switch it around
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    Actually it's an incredibly smart decision. Those kinds of characters always break the stories they're in if they're part of the main narrative (see the whole rack of idiot balls various characters in Heroes had to carry around because they could copy/steal/take powers). Having one be a background character, one who's already dead but who we know was a scary dude? Probably a much better way of handling it.
     
    hellgodsrus said:
    Actually it's an incredibly smart decision. Those kinds of characters always break the stories they're in if they're part of the main narrative (see the whole rack of idiot balls various characters in Heroes had to carry around because they could copy/steal/take powers). Having one be a background character, one who's already dead but who we know was a scary dude? Probably a much better way of handling it.
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    Only for unimaginative writers. They could always introduce some sort of flaw in their power or personality that the heroes could exploit. It's hardly a rare thing in fiction for the hero to outsmart a seemingly unstoppable foe. Hell, isn't that the entire point of the show? That there is no way to physically beat Salem so they have to figure out some other way to defeat her
     
    We got some story boards, mocap and early 3D outlines for character poses in the most recent RWBY Rewind.

    It seems like Blake and Yang VS Adam may be coming up which leaves me extremely nervouscited XD

    Also we may get a look behind Adam's mask.
     
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