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RWBY Thread III: Time To Say Goodbye

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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

    That's fine. We're not going to stop people from doing that, because that's literally what the point of the thread is. However, there's just a point where it gets to be a bit too much, and arguments about whether or not Ironwood was morally justified in his actions in the recent Volume, or if RWBY and her team were in the right for withholding information from Ironwood out of distrust, or whatever flavor of argument of the day descend into insulting other posters, expressing a demeaning attitude towards other's opinions, and just being overall unpleasant. That tends to happen a lot in this thread. We want it to stop happening in this thread.

    So! As of now the thread is in a higher state of moderation. What that means is that any future infractions will result in a weeklong boot from the thread, and repeated offenders will likely be permanently removed. So please, everyone endeavor to actually respect the other's arguments, and even if you strongly disagree with them please stay civil and mindful when it comes to responding to others.

    In addition, users should refrain from talking about off-site users in the thread. Bear in mind that this does not mean that you cannot continue to post tumblr posts, for example, that add onto the discussion in the thread, with the caveat that it's related to RWBY of course. But any objections to offsite users in the thread should be handled via PM, or they'll be treated as thread violations and infracted as such.
     
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    • SpeckofStardust said:
    Considering the fact that there is an afterlife this is incorrect.
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    We talking RWBY? Cause I don't consider Oz's waiting room for his GoL chat an actual afterlife, and that's the closest AFAIK RWBY comes to actually showing one.

    And even if there is an afterlife, just an afterlife existing without further context doesn't instantly change my mind. An afterlife of "fire pits" is worse than "infinite life with illness". Heck, an afterlife of grey void a la Limbo would be IMO "infinite life with illness". And I'd treat "happy afterlife" claims with skepticism and unless it were proven I'd still take the "guaranteed infinite life with illness" option over "claims of happy afterlife that I can't know for sure" if the two were presented. A guarantee of immortality, even if not Salem/Oz levels of amazingness, is something I would need something equal certainty, not just better "quality", to trade away because getting duped in that scenario would be the literal worst.
     
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    Honestly given their powers the gods could probably just say, 'boom, you don't die or suffer from injuries, illness ETC for longer than a few seconds, but you also can't have kids, don't want the world to get too crowded do we?' and be done with it.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Because we do not know how the whole cosmic balance of the RWBY universe works? For all we know there could be a reason they need to maintain a somewhat stable cycle of life and death.
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    While this is possible, the fact the GoD was so casual about bringing Oz back and the fact his brothers argument against it was built more on holding to their deal and maintaining order I am unsure that is clearly indicated, at least as of yet.
     
    Tython82 said:
    Because we do not know how the whole cosmic balance of the RWBY universe works? For all we know there could be a reason they need to maintain a somewhat stable cycle of life and death.
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    You're doing that thing again.* Creating hypothetical headcanons that have absolutely no basis in canon with no hints that your theory is correct in any form.







    *Maybe you specifically haven't done it before (I don't care to check) but this happens all the time in the thread. All too often when someone absolutely has no counter to one of my claims, they come up with these theoretical 'defenses' based on complete hypotheticals with no evidence.

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    Unrelated, this made me laugh

     
    thesevenwielder said:
    You're doing that thing again.* Creating hypothetical headcanons that have absolutely no basis in canon with no hints that your theory is correct in any form.







    *Maybe you specifically haven't done it before (I don't care to check) but this happens all the time in the thread. All too often when someone absolutely has no counter to one of my claims, they come up with these theoretical 'defenses' based on complete hypothetical with no evidence.
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    However you also have no evidence or in story reasons as to why the gods just don't make everyone immortal etc as well. So until the show reveals that fact all we have are theories to work with based on what we have seen in the show so far.
     
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    Tython82 said:
    However you also have no evidence as to why the gods just don't make everyone immortal etc as well. So until the show reveals that fact all we have are theories to work with based on what we have seen in the show.
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    Okay. All we have to work with are theories based on what we have seen.

    And what we are shown is that the rules are completely arbitrary and that the gods violate them without blinking an eye. Also the entirety of humanity save Salem was wiped out with no cosmic conseqences. And apparently they recreated humanity or it evolved from scratch or whatever and there are no cosmic consequences.

    So no, your 'theory' has no evidence supporting it whatsoever. Using the metatext, the writers probably couldn't think of any good reasons for death and disease to exist, which is why Salem cut off the God of Light when he was talking about balance.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    Okay. All we have to work with are theories based on what we have seen.

    And what we are shown is that the rules are completely arbitrary and that the gods violate them without blinking an eye. Also the entirety of humanity save Salem was wiped out with no cosmic consequences. And apparently they recreated humanity or it evolved from scratch or whatever and there are no cosmic consequences.

    So no, your 'theory' has no evidence supporting it whatsoever. Using the metatext, the writers probably couldn't think of any good reasons for death and disease to exist, which is why Salem cut off the God of Light when he was talking about balance.
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    Once again you are also assuming there was no consequence in the grand scheme of things since we don't really see or know what really happened to the world or the universe in general after the fall of humanity and Salems attempted suicide via Grimm pool or even why humanity was given a second chance in the first place or why the GoL felt he needed Ozma to be the one to unite humanity in harmony thus reincarnating him with said task, however the world seemed to be similar with differences so maybe there wasn't a big event or maybe there was we don't really know. So again let us wait and see why the gods did not do as you say and perhaps we shall see a valid reason.

    Also using Metatext, it could also be said that the writers did not want to spoil the reason for such a balance until either Salem learned her lesson through the events of the story or that team RWBY discovers it themselves, Miles and Kerry do have a habit of holding these sort of secrets close to the chest in order to make a big dramatic event after all.
     
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    Tython82 said:
    So again let us wait and see and give Miles and Kerry the benefit of the doubt that they know what they are doing.
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    Eh, thesevenwielder is just going to claim that they already have lost the benefit of the doubt due to
    A. several clearly shitty seasons of writing with :turian:no:turian: real signs of improvement.
    B. That they have already shown no real sign that they know what their doing^1

    1.Despite the evidence to the contrary. (said evidence that they know enough to at least cause 3 full threads over several years about discussion of their said work on this form alone)
     
    I don't know why people are using Ozpin as an example of the gods can make someone immortal. He's not immortal, he can die, and he isn't even really being reincarnated. The bodies he inhabits are other living people he subsumes and lives through. That's not really an effective form of immortality. And Salem seems to have gotten her immortality from the God of Light's pond. So it's debatable if it's something the gods can do on a mass scale.
     
    The problem with nobody dying is that human society would collapse and no progress would ever be made

    Why would anyone ever go to their shitty job or boring ass classes if they had zero needs? People would only ever do the fun jobs or work 10 hours a week for hobby money. Good luck finding a janitor or a garbage man

    In the case of the gods in RWBY they don't give one single shit about human happiness or anything so i doubt they'd care if it'd improve quality of life. They'd just be salty that their ant farm is boring as hell now.
     
    Whatever.

    In the next episode I hope emerald and Mercury GTFO and don't die. Despite their comparatively minor screen time compared to both Salem and Cinder they both have far more interesting characters and personalities than either. Well, maybe not Salem with the info dump centered solely around her, but certainly more interesting than Cinder, who RT keep foisting upon us for some unfathomable reason. We could have even had a dark mirror of jaune, with Emerald out for revenge because Cinder was killed. Hell, she might actually be gunning for Yang because Yang was the one who indirectly confirmed that Cinder was dead.
     
    I think I'm the only RWBY fan who actually likes Cinder. Like she's not any sort of great character from a character perspective but I find her fun to watch.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    I think I'm the only RWBY fan who actually likes Cinder. Like she's not any sort of great character from a character perspective but I find her fun to watch.
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    I like her well enough. I enjoyed her more in the earlier seasons, but that is partially cos I don't know where they are going with her currently to it is hard to say if it will land or not.
     
    After rewatching Episode 8 I would like to take this time to congratulate myself for correctly guessing there is more to the Silver Eyes than just loved ones being in danger. There has to be Grimm involved for them to even trigger. I also now think I see how they're going to defeat Salem. The GoL uses the Silver Eyes to blast away the Grimm around his brother, so it'd follow that Ruby can use that power to basically purify Salem. At that point, she's much less of a threat. Maybe once the Grimm essence is purged from her system she'll be less evil and Ozpin will have a chance to get through to her about the lesson she is meant to learn and she'll finally be able to move on.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    After rewatching Episode 8 I would like to take this time to congratulate myself for correctly guessing there is more to the Silver Eyes than just loved ones being in danger. There has to be Grimm involved for them to even trigger. I also now think I see how they're going to defeat Salem. The GoL uses the Silver Eyes to blast away the Grimm around his brother, so it'd follow that Ruby can use that power to basically purify Salem. At that point, she's much less of a threat. Maybe once the Grimm essence is purged from her system she'll be less evil and Ozpin will have a chance to get through to her about the lesson she is meant to learn and she'll finally be able to move on.
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    As likely as that it, I'll find it kinda disappointing. I joined RWBY because of the epic trailer battles; if this series doesn't also end somehow with a fuckhuge awesome battle, it's just not gonna feel right
     
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