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Stop: So gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
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    • so gotta few things that need to be said real quick.
    We get a lot of reports from this thread. A lot of it is just a series of people yelling at each other over arguments that have been rehashed hundreds of times since the end of the recent Volume. And I get that the last Volume - and RWBY in general, really - has some controversial moments that people will want to discuss, argue about, debate, etc.

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    • Gh055twr1t3r said:
    The video is hyperbolic, and its like that for comedic purposes, but the point still stands that Weiss has a lot of tools at her hands but continued to use one tactic that continuously screwed her for the entirety of the fight. Also note in that same scene you posted that Weiss took the time to knock down the mook and that her time dilation actually takes a shorter time than her summoning to be used. There's also the fact that the glyphs she uses to launch projectiles don't require much focus.

    My main issue is that Weiss didn't make any actual attempt to fight Vernal. She just kept trying to summon something and even after it didn't work she continued to try to use that tactic. Her last attempt was launching Vernal into the air and then attempting a summon. It just looks bad. I think I'd have preferred it if she lost solely to just being beaten around period.

    And as for her losing to Banesaw, I will argue to my death that if they wanted him to function as an implacable tank they could have done better. When she rushed him she managed to juggle him and yet he's still able to immediately stand up, grab her out of the air, and proceed to bat her through the door? It would have been better if he had hunkered down, tanked the hits without getting knocked into the air, and then proceeded to grab her from the air and bat her around.

    This is a matter of opinion but instead of Weiss losing to Banesaw being an example of her being weak I just saw it as Banesaw being above your average mook. I'm honestly disappointed that he hasn't shown up at all and that they've probably forgotten or dropped him completely from the show.
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    You mean tools like Gravity Dust? Yeah she tried that, didn't work. The thing is that in the Banesaw fight her opponent was stronger and more durable than her but he was also a lot slower, so she had plenty of opportunities to try out different things. While the animation was to slow paced to properly portray it, its clear in Haven fight that Vernal is faster and more skilled than Weiss.

    Weiss needs use Gravity glyphs to fling herself away just to get some distance from Vernal, and we see multiple times in the fight that Vernal is right up in Weiss' face much faster than she expects. Also you talk about Weiss being versatile but forget that so is Vernal. There is a reason I paid special attention to Banesaw's weapon. Its a pure melee weapon with no other functions, the only way for him to disrupt Weiss's casting is to get right up in her face to hit her, so it was easy for Weiss to create some distance and make with the glyphs.

    In comparison Vernal's weapon provides rapid fire ranged attacks via gunfire, which makes it very easy to launch an attack at Weiss if she starts standing still to use glyphs. They also function as boomerangs which adds more ranged attacks, which is further enhanced by Vernal being skilled enough to catch them on the rebound while charging into melee, an aggressive style which makes it so that after Weiss blocks a thrown glaive Vernal is already in her face hitting her with a melee attack. They also have powerful short range lasers that can be used in conjunction with melee strikes so that even a blocked strike still does massive damage. And the overpowered uber laser she can fire let Vernal cut straight through Weiss ice constructs like they weren't even there, which negated Weiss's most commonly used elemental power.


    Point is, Vernal is actually pretty well suited for countering Weiss, especially in 1v1 fight where Weiss can't get her teammates to cover for her for a few seconds while she brings out the big guns. The only real problem with her fight was that it was too slow paced and not intensive enough to properly sell Vernal as a speed demon that could constantly keep Weiss on the defensive. Even Weiss crashing herself into a pillar would have been perfectly acceptable if that scene had been shot with more speed and intensity and focused a bit more on really showing that Vernal was backing Weiss into a corner and that Weiss was kept so preoccupied with just barely dodging Vernal's surroundings that she lost track of her surroundings.
     
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    Problem with your attempted defense of the scene: we don't see Weiss even try to ise her glyphs or change tactics. She just tries summoning again and again despite it not working. She also backflips into a fucking pillar when her spatial awareness has always been good. And Weiss has never created a damn pillar or ice wall before as a defense. It is not her go to defense and you are lying by trying to present it as such. And yes, those clips do show Weiss getting overpowered. That simply proves my point. That Weiss was nerfed. She shows nowhere near the amount of technique for finesse that she did in the earlier volumes. Now if we saw Vernal outmaneuver or out power her despite all that, then I would admit you have a point. But as it stands, all your clips are doing is showing how badly Weiss was nerfed.

    The writers had her take a fall so Jaune could get his Semblance. Cinder forgot about Ruby's existence so we could see Jaune's MANPAIN.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Problem with your attempted defense of the scene: we don't see Weiss even try to ise her glyphs or change tactics. She just tries summoning again and again despite it not working. She also backflips into a fucking pillar when her spatial awareness has always been good.
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    I mean Weiss starts to set up a glyph in that gif- she just gets shut down because Vernal is too fast. Like that's the thing, Weiss honestly had little chance in this fight both because she was rusty and because this was literally the worst opponent for her to be facing. Most of Weiss' attacks require some time to set up, and Vernal was simply not giving her that time, even if it amounted to "a couple seconds". She had literally no choice but to basically stay on her toes and avoid outright getting crushed; it is on RT for not portraying that accurately through more rapid motions and fast-paced fighting, but honestly when you look at what was actually going on in that fight, it's pretty clear that Weiss simpy had no answer for Vernal because Vernal was much faster, their weapons far more versatile, and being willing to use that to get constant leverage and never give Weiss enough of a breather to do much to counter.

    Maybe if Weiss was more in fighting shape, or maybe if she had more skill in glyphs and could rapid spam them, or maybe if she had better technique with her rapier that could mesh with her magic in some way, or maybe if she had more in her magic bag o'tricks, or maybe if she had experience in dealing with people like Vernal and had counters planned... she'd have had a remote chance in that fight. None of those things are true.

    So, given that she has literally no alternative (the whole time dilation thing has been discussed so not touching that), all she could do in the end is basically rely on her summoning ace-in-the-hole and pray. That just doesn't work either, but she was kinda screwed regardless at that point; this was a Mate in 3 (at best) situation where the opponent was stubborn enough to force them to play it out.

    Like overall the way the fight goes it's pretty clear that's what was intended, it's on RT for bungling up the execution a bit.
     
    Gh055twr1t3r said:
    Ruby has had the weakness since about Volume 3 which was the episode "PvP" where she was attempting to get past Mercury. It's not that hard to believe she has issues with hand to hand. She's a weapon nut so her being unable to properly fight without her weapon seems like a logical conclusion. I will agree that its a strange thing to focus on for her. Ruby doesn't really need to know how to fight hand to hand because she's never going to beat someone like Mercury or Yang. At best she just needs to know some basics so that she isn't completely out of her element. Of course, her super speed makes this a bit irrelevant since she can disengage pretty damn well if she's disarmed and is being overwhelmed. Which happened in the the same episode I mentioned earlier. Imagine that.

    Yang's issue is that she relies on her semblance to be a clutch factor. There's nothing wrong with having a clutch move, it only becomes an issue when its your go to for everything. If she doesn't mind taking damage because of her semblance then she might take hits she could potentially avoid because her semblance will make up for it but what if she gets knocked out or is too injured to fight? When Taiyang calls her semblance a "temper tantrum" I thought he was being kind of a dick but it does activate prematurely when she's angry. So maybe the criticism is to not rely on her semblance and that she needs to remain calm even when prodded. This culminates in her ignoring Mercury at the end of Volume 5 to chase her mother. I will say that the payoff was kind of weak because that group battle was disappointing but it was a payoff nonetheless.

    Finally, Cinder ignored Ruby because Jaune decided to make himself a target by charging her and although Cinder hates Ruby she probably enjoys torturing people she deems lesser than her. Besides, Emerald had Ruby handled.
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    1. Except we have seen her fight hand-to-hand multiple times earlier in the show. Why, in the very first episode alone she kicks and punches some mooks. In volume three she drop kicks a giant Griffin. And the training amounted to Jack and shit anyway because she never actually used hand-to-hand against anyone, so literally what was the point of introducing a fake weakness?

    2. Citation? Yang is probably the member of her team that uses her semblance the least. Ruby uses hers to zip around all the damn time, Blake makes clones like it's going out of style, and Weiss's usage of glyphs is so liberal I could make a political joke out of it.

    3. Yang ditching her arm is incredibly stupid though. She knows that she is confronting three hostiles and she is down an entire arm. I get what they were going for, that she is trying to think outside the box, but like nearly everything else in the show, the writers made the worst possible way to Showcase it.

    4. I would like you to provide a citation, because IIRC in all the fights that Cinder has been in, she has quickly and efficiently taken out her opponents.
     
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    2. Citation? Yang is probably the member of her team that uses her semblance the least.
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    Technically speaking, Yang's Semblance also has that passive 'more hurt I am the harder I hit' factor, so it's kinda always on. Meaning her semblance would used the most out of anyone on the team, simply due to the fact she can't turn that aspect of it off.
     
    VolantRedX said:
    He was surrounded by a bunch of armed combatants who all wanted his blood. Adam was escaping but he was also baiting them. Blake outright says as much when Sun goes to follow him. Adam was in a bad position and he knew it.
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    He was surrounded by a bunch of damn civilians with torches and pitchforks. They would put up even less of a fight than the average White Fang mook or Atlesian Knight, both of which were effortlessly defeated by the dozens by Blake and Weiss all the way back in volume 3. If you actually think that's some sort of threat to Adam then there is literally no point in debating you about anything any longer because I cannot in any way fathom how these schmucks could be in any way threatening to Adam. And before you can say "he doesn't want to kill his fellow faunus" he has had literally zero reservation in doing it before.
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    it's on RT for bungling up the execution a bit.
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    Story of the show's run, really. Look, despite what certain people may claim I'm not an idiot. I generally understand what the show is intending to try and convey. I just tend to point out how absolutely awful the writers are at presenting it. And how consistent they are in their failures

    WhoAmEye said:
    Technically speaking, Yang's Semblance also has that passive 'more hurt I am the harder I hit' factor, so it's kinda always on. Meaning her semblance would used the most out of anyone on the team, simply due to the fact she can't turn that aspect of it off.
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    yes, but she also doesn't go out of her way to take hits. She fights like anyone else, dodging and blocking whenever she can.
     
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    thesevenwielder said:
    Story of the show's run, really. Look, despite what certain people may claim I'm not an idiot. I generally understand what the show is intending to try and convey. I just tend to point out how absolutely awful the writers are at presenting it. And how consistent they are in their failures
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    Sure. I'm not a huge fan of the writers or RT and they fucked up here a bit with the animation. But like... I honestly didn't have that much trouble figuring out what was going on in the scene even with the time lapse issue- like just from the way that Vernal was fighting, Weiss' established weaknesses as a fighter, and the way the fight was progressing with basically Weiss getting stonewalled every step of the way; it wasn't Weiss getting screwed over in the fight from a writing standpoint, it was her, quite logically, getting completely taken apart by somebody that embodies pretty much everything that Weiss would not want to face alone.

    I won't pretend that RT helped the scene but... I thought what happened wasn't that unclear even as it was depicted, to be honest.
     
    Remember my long, fanboyish spiel about how great the body language in RWBY is compared to almost any other animated show? Someone on Tumblr noticed something I had never seen:



    "When you're out on the battlefield, your judgment can become clouded in an instant. Sometimes you see things that simply aren't there. Even after the fight is past…"

    As he says that, Ironwood looks away to his left and absently rolls his (mechanical) right shoulder as if trying to work out a kink. Makes you wonder.
     
    WhoAmEye said:
    Technically speaking, Yang's Semblance also has that passive 'more hurt I am the harder I hit' factor, so it's kinda always on. Meaning her semblance would used the most out of anyone on the team, simply due to the fact she can't turn that aspect of it off.
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    I think Yang's hair has to get all glowy and liquidy for her to be using her Semblance so while she might take power with each hit, I am unsure she automatically uses it unless she is going in for a finisher.
     
    Leingod said:
    Remember my long, fanboyish spiel about how great the body language in RWBY is compared to almost any other animated show? Someone on Tumblr noticed something I had never seen:



    "When you're out on the battlefield, your judgment can become clouded in an instant. Sometimes you see things that simply aren't there. Even after the fight is past…"

    As he says that, Ironwood looks away to his left and absently rolls his (mechanical) right shoulder as if trying to work out a kink. Makes you wonder.
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    As cool as that is that you found that, that was literally the first thing I noticed about Ironwood delivering that line. It's actually one of the less subtle body language moments in the show :p
     
    Broken Base said:
    Sure. I'm not a huge fan of the writers or RT and they fucked up here a bit with the animation. But like... I honestly didn't have that much trouble figuring out what was going on in the scene even with the time lapse issue- like just from the way that Vernal was fighting, Weiss' established weaknesses as a fighter, and the way the fight was progressing with basically Weiss getting stonewalled every step of the way; it wasn't Weiss getting screwed over in the fight from a writing standpoint, it was her, quite logically, getting completely taken apart by somebody that embodies pretty much everything that Weiss would not want to face alone.
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    I strongly disagree because Weiss doesn't pull out any of her old tricks and makes mistakes she never has before.
     

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    Hi everyone - Did anyone get a chance to head over to Gen Con to take a sneak peek at what RWBY: Combat Ready has evolved into? We've heard reports from a few Backers that they had the opportunity to take it for an early spin and they loved what had happened with the game since our initial launch nearly a year ago.

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    And we are shipping out! :lol:`:cool:

    For those like me who have moved since they became backers there will be a prompt sent to change your adress in the Kickstarter. The prompt will be sent October 1st, which is like 11 minutes from now where I live, but I doubt that's the time zone they're using. :/
     
    So how are RWBY & co supposed to defeat Salem, anyway? I literally cannot see any way that they could pull it off? Ozpin had the Relics and the full power of four Maidens, and lost. He presumably used the Relics to win the Great War and united the entire world behind him, and just... gave up. Are six Hunters-in-training and one fully-trained Hunter that is just as much of a detriment to his allies as his enemies supposed to do what Ozpin at full power with an army at his back couldn't?

    The way Miles has set things up, it is literally a no-win scenario for the good guys.
     
    Violation of Rule 4: Don't be Disruptive
    Are you really so starved for ways to complain about this show that you'll even use "How are the protagonists supposed to defeat the antagonists" as a criticism?
     
    Ruby's simple soul will unlock her true strength upon watching her friends slowly die off one by one at the end of each volume, until Salem faces down...

     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So how are RWBY & co supposed to defeat Salem, anyway? I literally cannot see any way that they could pull it off? Ozpin had the Relics and the full power of four Maidens, and lost. He presumably used the Relics to win the Great War and united the entire world behind him, and just... gave up. Are six Hunters-in-training and one fully-trained Hunter that is just as much of a detriment to his allies as his enemies supposed to do what Ozpin at full power with an army at his back couldn't?

    The way Miles has set things up, it is literally a no-win scenario for the good guys.
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    The Great Way is a separate conflict from the one Ozpin fought with Salem. It's totally possible that he didn't have all the Maidens and relics at the end of the Great War, nor is him having an army at his back a given. You're making a lot of assumptions here.
     
    thesevenwielder said:
    So how are RWBY & co supposed to defeat Salem, anyway? I literally cannot see any way that they could pull it off? Ozpin had the Relics and the full power of four Maidens, and lost. He presumably used the Relics to win the Great War and united the entire world behind him, and just... gave up. Are six Hunters-in-training and one fully-trained Hunter that is just as much of a detriment to his allies as his enemies supposed to do what Ozpin at full power with an army at his back couldn't?

    The way Miles has set things up, it is literally a no-win scenario for the good guys.
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    I'm bored, so, lets disassemble this.

    How are RWBY & co supposed to defeat Salem, anyway?
    They're the protagonists. It's a foregone conclusion that they'll win. That's just how storytelling works. How they do that is indeed a good question, but the following questions you ask don't seem to contribute much.

    I literally cannot see any way that they could pull it off? Ozpin had the Relics and the full power of four Maidens, and lost.
    Assumptions: Ozpin had the relics. Ozpin had the full power of four maidens. Ozpin was actually fighting Salem at this point.
    Things we know: The status of the Relics was unknown until we got told that there's one in each Hunter Academy Vault. Ozpin was pretty content to be a hermit who didn't want to go outside, according to the tale. Giving the Maidens their powers severely drained him. His curse of immortality was due to failure to stop Salem at some point - interestingly, put on him by the gods. Both of them. When one of those gods made Salem, you have to wonder what was giong through their head.
    Things we can maybe glean from this: Perhaps using the relics comes at great cost. The kind of cost Salem is happy to pay while Ozpin doesn't want to.


    aaand this is about where I got boredbecause I realised you aren't really going to care regardless of what I say.

    He presumably used the Relics to win the Great War and united the entire world behind him, and just... gave up.
    Presumably. Congrats, remove that presumption, see if your theory still works. Good thought exercise for you.

    Are six Hunters-in-training and one fully-trained Hunter that is just as much of a detriment to his allies as his enemies supposed to do what Ozpin at full power with an army at his back couldn't?
    An army focused on holding off the grimm that had become more powerful while people were focused on hitting each other? An army focused on rebuilding and ensuring the survival of humanity (And faunus..ity?)? If the maidens had been a part of that conflict, you'd think they'd perhaps be more well known. All that fighting Cinder and Raven did as Maidens? You'd think someone'd remember that shit and maybe pass it on. It's not exactly subtle.
    Also, congrats on the assumption Ozpin having just finished dealing with a war was at full power. He did say his powers have been dwindling since he got his curse of immortality, and the Great War was only 60-80 ish years ago.

    Ozpin had the Relics and the full power of four Maidens, and lost. He presumably used the Relics to win the Great War and united the entire world behind him, and just... gave up.
    Rebuilding. Sorting out Vytal Treaties. Construction of the CCT towers. Managing tensions between four nations that had just been at war. Holding off grimm attacks. He didn't unite the world behind him, the other leaders surrendered to him on behalf of their kingdoms.

    The way Miles has set things up, it is literally a no-win scenario for the good guys.
    The way you set yourself up is frankly embarrassing. Do you actually watch the show? Real question, and I'd appreciate a yes/no answer.
     
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